FIBA World Cup 2023 (FIRST thread)

lambchop · Post #541 » by **lambchop** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:14 am

BelgradeNugget wrote:
donkki wrote:Hard to imagine Finns ever turning down an invitation to represent your country in WC. It is such a unique honor for a player in your own sport. I guess in some other countries they just think differently .

Finns in NBA rarely play in May/June. They also rarely qualify for National competition so player have to have really long carrier to have a chance to play for National basketball team in EC, WC or Olympics (not counting qualification games)

Imo one of the differences between countries, like Finland, Germany etc. and then, on the other hand, Serbia is that a player can actually have an impact on the popularity of the sport by in his country, if the is from one of the ones where it's a fringe sport. Jokic could win 4 rings in a row and an olympic gold medal with Serbia, but it wouldn't make more Serbs start following the game.

In those fringe basketball countries players know how difficult it is to even get live basketball transmission on TV. However, when the NBA guys play some of the TV channels make an exception and reach a temporary agreement to show some basketball. Sometimes they won't show the full game, if the game takes too long lol.

mrmsix6 · Post #542 » by **mrmsix6** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:23 am

The best players and best teams in the world have made it abundantly clear that the FIBA World Cup just doesn't matter that much. I don't know how they could make it any more clear with their routine lack of participation.

Until the best players determine that it's an event worth participating in, it will remain a 3rd rate tournament that is largely ignored in the biggest basketball market.

I can see how people from countries who can't regularly qualify for the Olympics would get excited for the WC and try to prop it up as the pinnacle of international competition, but that just isn't the reality for the participants.

Pachinko_ · Post #543 » by **Pachinko_** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:35 am

mrmsix6 wrote:The best players and best teams in the world have made it abundantly clear that the FIBA World Cup just doesn't matter that much. I don't know how they could make it any more clear with their routine lack of participation.

The participants also made it clear the NBA regular season doesn't matter that much and it's ok to skip games
But then the tune changes to "butbutbut we're paying them so many millions, I bought a ticket for my son's birthday and drove 3 hours"
LOL

Mirotic12 · Post #544 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:37 am

mrmsix6 wrote:The best players and best teams in the world have made it abundantly clear that the FIBA World Cup just doesn't matter that much. I don't know how they could make it any more clear with their routine lack of participation.

Until the best players determine that it's an event worth participating in, it will remain a 3rd rate tournament that is largely ignored in the biggest basketball market.

I can see how people from countries who can't regularly qualify for the Olympics would get excited for the WC and try to prop it up as the pinnacle of international competition, but that just isn't the reality for the participants.

The Olympics is the actual third rate FIBA tournament. It is the 3rd tier level major FIBA tournament, in terms of the level of the competition.

1. EuroBasket
2. World Cup
3. Olympics

Also, the FIBA World Cup gets more attendance, more TV views, and more revenue than the Olympic basketball tournament does.

Pachinko_ · Post #545 » by **Pachinko_** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:39 am

Mirotic12 wrote:Also, the FIBA World Cup gets more attendance, more TV views, and more revenue than the Olympic basketball tournament does.

Got a source brother? Not saying it's not the case, just curious.

mrmsix6 · Post #546 » by **mrmsix6** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:43 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
mrmsix6 wrote:The best players and best teams in the world have made it abundantly clear that the FIBA World Cup just doesn't matter that much. I don't know how they could make it any more clear with their routine lack of participation.

Until the best players determine that it's an event worth participating in, it will remain a 3rd rate tournament that is largely ignored in the biggest basketball market.

I can see how people from countries who can't regularly qualify for the Olympics would get excited for the WC and try to prop it up as the pinnacle of international competition, but that just isn't the reality for the participants.

The Olympics is the actual third rate FIBA tournament. It is the 3rd tier level major FIBA tournament, in terms of the level of the competition.

1. EuroBasket
2. World Cup
3. Olympics

Also, the FIBA World Cup gets more attendance, more TV views, and more revenue than the Olympic basketball tournament does.

Tell me you're from a EU country that doesn't always qualify for the Olympics without telling me.

Mirotic12 · Post #547 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:03 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:Also, the FIBA World Cup gets more attendance, more TV views, and more revenue than the Olympic basketball tournament does.

Got a source brother? Not saying it's not the case, just curious.

FIBA is the source. Per FIBA's press releases:

2010 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2008 FIBA Olympics.

2014 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2012 FIBA Olympics.

2019 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2016 FIBA Olympics.

Jasen777 · Post #548 » by **Jasen777** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:39 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:Also, the FIBA World Cup gets more attendance, more TV views, and more revenue than the Olympic basketball tournament does.

Got a source brother? Not saying it's not the case, just curious.

FIBA is the source. Per FIBA's press releases:

2010 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2008 FIBA Olympics.

2014 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2012 FIBA Olympics.

2019 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2016 FIBA Olympics.

Is that in total, because they play alot more games.

Jasen777 · Post #549 » by **Jasen777** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:41 am

mrmsix6 wrote:The Olympics is the actual third rate FIBA tournament. It is the 3rd tier level major FIBA tournament, in terms of the level of the competition.

1. EuroBasket
2. World Cup
3. Olympics

Also, the FIBA World Cup gets more attendance, more TV views, and more revenue than the Olympic basketball tournament does.

Tell me you're from a EU country that doesn't always qualify for the Olympics without telling me.[/quote]

TBF, it seems like more of the top European talent showed up for Euros than the World Cup.

Mirotic12 · Post #550 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:03 am

Jasen777 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:Got a source brother? Not saying it's not the case, just curious.

FIBA is the source. Per FIBA's press releases:

2010 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2008 FIBA Olympics.

2014 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2012 FIBA Olympics.

2019 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, more TV viewers, and more revenue than the 2016 FIBA Olympics.

Is that in total, because they play alot more games.

Yes, it's in total. As has already been pointed out several times in this thread, the Olympics is a small tournament with 12 teams. It's smaller than the continental tournaments are.

So all of the claims here about how [paraphrasing] "no one watches the World Cup", "no one cares about the World Cup", "no one knows the World Cup even exists", but that "everyone watches Olympics basketball" - are just not factual.

The FIBA World Cup is a much bigger tournament, with a lot more viewers.

Pachinko_ · Post #551 » by **Pachinko_** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:32 am

I think that's your answer right there. The Olympics is a very brief tournament which is also a bit of fun and folklore to experience once in your life, and thats why they're doing us the favour of showing up occasionally. Otherwise they don't care, they just want to play as little basketball as possible both in the NBA and everywhere else, and you guys are supporting it. I don't support it, I only respect players who actually love the game. Thanks, bye.

PS looking forward to your complaints when they load manage the regular season LOL

Post #552 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:37 am

Whatever competition that the biggest percentage of top NBA players sign up for is the most important one. Really doesn't matter how many teams full of nobodies get let in.

durden_tyler · Post #553 » by **durden_tyler** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:19 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:Whatever competition that the biggest percentage of top NBA players sign up for is the most important one. Really doesn't matter how many teams full of nobodies get let in.

Correct. That's why it was stupid for FIBA to move the World Cup years when i thought their main goal was to make it as prestigious as the Olympics. Obviously the NBA players see it that way too and that's overall sad for basketball.

txusto · Post #554 » by **txusto** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:19 am

I'm Spanish and IMO 2008 and 2012 Olympic Silver Medals are more valuable than 2006 and 2019 World Championships.

LuDux1 · Post #555 » by **LuDux1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:54 am

durden_tyler wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Whatever competition that the biggest percentage of top NBA players sign up for is the most important one. Really doesn't matter how many teams full of nobodies get let in.

Correct. That's why it was stupid for FIBA to move the World Cup years when i thought their main goal was to make it as prestigious as the Olympics. Obviously the NBA players see it that way too and that's overall sad for basketball.

On other hand it won't be overshadowed by soccer WC now

It's possible next step will be making olympic tournament under 23 competiton, like soccer, plus 3X3 basketball

Mirotic12 · Post #556 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:34 pm

So we have poster after poster after here claiming that if an NBA players kips the World Cup, that is absolute proof beyond any doubt that the FIBA Olympics is more important than the FIBA World Cup.

So because Giannis didn't play at the Olympics qualifiers, and did play at the World Cup, that means ergo that the without any doubt, the World Cup is mor important than the Olympics.

That is using the same exact logic. You can't have it both ways. Giannis chose the World Cup over the Olympics.

NO-KG-AI wrote:Whatever competition that the biggest percentage of top NBA players sign up for is the most important one. Really doesn't matter how many teams full of nobodies get let in.

World Cup has more NBA players in it.

Mirotic12 · Post #557 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:38 pm

LuDux1 wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Whatever competition that the biggest percentage of top NBA players sign up for is the most important one. Really doesn't matter how many teams full of nobodies get let in.

Correct. That's why it was stupid for FIBA to move the World Cup years when i thought their main goal was to make it as prestigious as the Olympics. Obviously the NBA players see it that way too and that's overall sad for basketball.

On other hand it won't be overshadowed by soccer WC now

It's possible next step will be making olympic tournament under 23 competiton, like soccer, plus 3X3 basketball

Yes, and this has been discussed several times in these forums already. So this should be no surprise at all. Both FIBA and the NBA want to make the Olympics an under-23 tournament. And that is the plan. The NBA already voted to do so several years ago, but US sports media threw a big hissy fit over it and they backed off.

But that is indeed the plan, because as was noted at the time, the NBA and FIBA are losing tons of money by having this system where the NBA is focused on the Olympics. Because the World Cup is a way bigger tournament, and is just about basketball, so it would make a lot more money for the NBA than the Olympics does.

There have been some NBA owners even openly complaining about this.

Can you imagine the meltdown in these forums when this eventually does happen? Will be epic...

durden_tyler · Post #558 » by **durden_tyler** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:47 pm

If that Under 23 plan is true, then that’s best for competition since it’s tiring to see the Americans win it 9 out of 10 times. They are simply that good.

Trey24 · Post #559 » by **Trey24** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:55 pm

Kyle Anderson is a traitor

Mirotic12 · Post #560 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:03 pm

durden_tyler wrote:If that Under 23 plan is true, then that’s best for competition since it’s tiring to see the Americans win it 9 out of 10 times. They are simply that good.

Not really. They didn't win the Olympics 90% of the time.

In the amateur years, they won it 9 out of 12 times. That is 75%.

In the professional years (NBA players included), they won it 7 out of 8 times. That is 87.5%

Overall, they have won it 16 out of 20 times. That is 80%.

They have not won it at 90% rate, even historically, when the other teams were a lot worse than they are now.