NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[youngcrev]

This is why Embiid is always stuck on the 2nd round. Tries his hardest to stat pad against bad teams in the regular season. Stinks it up in the playoffs when it matters.

Call me when he has good numbers in the playoffs and actually goes somewhere.

I get the "call me when he does something against a good team in the playoffs" thing. It's the missing piece between Embiid and the all timers, and in the context of MVP talk, I understand being wary of giving him another one until he has that.

Him being dominant and "stat padding" against bad teams (while not playing the 4th quarter in any of these games...) is a silly reason as to why it hasn't worked out.

[AleksandarN]

Embiid has been playing amazing regardless.

[timO]

Embiid has been playing amazing regardless.

yes againts scrubs

today 42 in a 50 point win

impressive

[mpoo_sin]

From jackbonin of mavsmoneyball.com:

"I don’t want to hear about what any other player is doing right now. There are a lot of cases for a lot of really great players, but none of them are doing what Luka Doncic is doing this season.

Dallas came into tonight’s game missing their co-superstar. They lost their third-best player before the first timeout of the game. That’s in addition to two more rotation players continued to be unavailable. And Luka Doncic single-handedly willed the Mavericks to victory tonight with a 40-point triple-double on efficient shooting. The Blazers are not a good team, but their defense has been solid and they have young talent. That Luka was able to grind out a tough road win despite all of Dallas’ injuries is remarkable. He’s been doing it all year. The MVP conversation starts and ends with him; he has the numbers, the record, and the importance to his squad."

He really gets overlooked right now, though that doesn t matter that much because there is still 3/4 of a season left. But i share his sentiment in essence. If he keeps doing what he is doing he is inevitable.

[Mavrelous]

From jackbonin of mavsmoneyball.com:

"I don’t want to hear about what any other player is doing right now. There are a lot of cases for a lot of really great players, but none of them are doing what Luka Doncic is doing this season.

Dallas came into tonight’s game missing their co-superstar. They lost their third-best player before the first timeout of the game. That’s in addition to two more rotation players continued to be unavailable. And Luka Doncic single-handedly willed the Mavericks to victory tonight with a 40-point triple-double on efficient shooting. The Blazers are not a good team, but their defense has been solid and they have young talent. That Luka was able to grind out a tough road win despite all of Dallas’ injuries is remarkable. He’s been doing it all year. The MVP conversation starts and ends with him; he has the numbers, the record, and the importance to his squad."

He really gets overlooked right now, though that doesn t matter that much because there is still 3/4 of a season left. But i share his sentiment in essence. If he keeps doing what he is doing he is inevitable.

Mavs won't be good enough for him to get into consideration, they can't defend, so they rely on role players shooting to win, which is a hit and miss, Jokic is the only one who got it with 6th seed in recent years, and he had an ATG advanced stats season, Luka is nowhere near.

[maxpower8888]

Loud and wrong. Jokic started off high and has dropped. Embiid and Giannis’ PERs have continued to climb up. There’s no guarantee any of these guys will drop. They’re all clearly in their prime and playing next level

No it's not wrong, I'm not talking about this season, I'm talking about past seasons. This time last year or the year before Jokic was absolutely obliterating the PER record, sitting at around 35, and of course he finished the season with a PER of 32.8. The same thing happened with Giannis during his MVP seasons.

I’m talking about this season specifically, which is all that matters. We don’t know what will happen.

History matters, if he can sustain this PER all the power to him, but Jokic and Giannis have had much higher PERs at this stage of the season so Embiid's current PER isn't that impressive. He's also been feasting on the bottom of the league in the month of December. Let's revisit this PER discussion in February or March.

[mpoo_sin]

From jackbonin of mavsmoneyball.com:

"I don’t want to hear about what any other player is doing right now. There are a lot of cases for a lot of really great players, but none of them are doing what Luka Doncic is doing this season.

Dallas came into tonight’s game missing their co-superstar. They lost their third-best player before the first timeout of the game. That’s in addition to two more rotation players continued to be unavailable. And Luka Doncic single-handedly willed the Mavericks to victory tonight with a 40-point triple-double on efficient shooting. The Blazers are not a good team, but their defense has been solid and they have young talent. That Luka was able to grind out a tough road win despite all of Dallas’ injuries is remarkable. He’s been doing it all year. The MVP conversation starts and ends with him; he has the numbers, the record, and the importance to his squad."

He really gets overlooked right now, though that doesn t matter that much because there is still 3/4 of a season left. But i share his sentiment in essence. If he keeps doing what he is doing he is inevitable.

Mavs won't be good enough for him to get into consideration, they can't defend, so they rely on role players shooting to win, which is a hit and miss, Jokic is the only one who got it with 6th seed in recent years, and he had an ATG advanced stats season, Luka is nowhere near.

I get your sceptisism but what if the mavs unexpectetely stay in the top3 in the West? How would you think about his chance then?

[Mavrelous]

I get your sceptisism but what if the mavs unexpectetely stay in the top3 in the West? How would you think about his chance then?

He'd need to have close (with 2 games) to Embiid and SGA, and have statistical advantage over SGA, and out assist Embbid enough to cover for the scoring.
Keep in mind, Luka was front runner for MVP at this stage last season (when he had the 60/20/10 game), he usually drops off later.

[Hussien Fatal]

Joel Embiid has a PER of 34.5 which is absolutely ABSURD! And would bury Jokic’s record of 32.8 lol. Not only that but he has scored 752 points this season in 746 minutes! Nobody at the moment is touching Embiid he is on a level of his own this season.

[Packbuckman]

Joel Embiid has a PER of 34.5 which is absolutely ABSURD! And would bury Jokic’s record of 32.8 lol. Not only that but he has scored 752 points this season in 746 minutes! Nobody at the moment is touching Embiid he is on a level of his own this season.

When you take the most shots on your team at 23 in a 50 pt win you’re going to have a lot of pts. Giannis in a 30 pt win took 9 shots and made 7 of them. Giannis right now is playing better than anyone and that includes Embiid.
Giannis
Embiid
Jokic
Luka

[bigboi]

Joel Embiid has a PER of 34.5 which is absolutely ABSURD! And would bury Jokic’s record of 32.8 lol. Not only that but he has scored 752 points this season in 746 minutes! Nobody at the moment is touching Embiid he is on a level of his own this season.

When you take the most shots on your team at 23 in a 50 pt win you’re going to have a lot of pts. Giannis in a 30 pt win took 9 shots and made 7 of them. Giannis right now is playing better than anyone and that includes Embiid.
Giannis
Embiid
Jokic
Luka

Giannis is the best player in the world rn but Embiid does have narrative so I’ll put him slightly above Giannis rn. If Giannis keeps stringing together 70%+ games then he will win

[rzzzzz]

Embiid has been playing amazing regardless.

yes againts scrubs

impressive

Worst loss in Hornets’ franchise history. Even with Embiid (and Maxey) watching the 4th qtr on the bench.

[LordCovington33]

Embiid has been playing amazing regardless.

yes againts scrubs

today 42 in a 50 point win

impressive

You sound upset. Take it easy.

[LordCovington33]

Joel Embiid has a PER of 34.5 which is absolutely ABSURD! And would bury Jokic’s record of 32.8 lol. Not only that but he has scored 752 points this season in 746 minutes! Nobody at the moment is touching Embiid he is on a level of his own this season.

Jokic is an amazing player and I had him as the frontrunner up till December. But anybody arguing against embiid right now, I really do not know man. Just internet personal stuff to not shift from their stance. His stats in just three quarters for half the games this season are phenomenal. People can say this, they can say that. But they know.

[CobraCommander]

You think SGA is as good as prime Giannis? Stats aside- just straight up Giannis or SGA - ?

If you're asking me who I'd rather have for the rest of this season and postseason, current SGA or current Giannis, it's SGA. He's the best 2-way shooting guard since Jordan. He's less of an injury risk than Giannis, better at lifting his teammates offensively, more of a leader, and possibly still improving while you never know when the odometer might turn over on Giannis.

You can’t be serious

Once he said he would rather have SGA over Giannis I stopped reading…


SGA is in the revolving chair for 4th best player in NBA right now- tonight SGA hit a game winner to beat the NBA champs and took over the seat as the 4th best player on earth from Fox. But Luka had a 40 triple double - curry went nuclear in 4th and AntMan went off… but SGA did the damn thing today on both ends and again is in 4th.

But Embiid Again did what he is just doing - rolling out of bed dropping nukes-

And Giannis just shot 7-9 in a blowout - got 22 points in 20 or so minutes and didn’t stat pad against DETROIT


But could the MVP actually be Mike Brown because no fox no problem - get 47 from Murray and light the beam on em again???

[LordCovington33]

If you're asking me who I'd rather have for the rest of this season and postseason, current SGA or current Giannis, it's SGA. He's the best 2-way shooting guard since Jordan. He's less of an injury risk than Giannis, better at lifting his teammates offensively, more of a leader, and possibly still improving while you never know when the odometer might turn over on Giannis.

You can’t be serious

Once he said he would rather have SGA over Giannis I stopped reading…


SGA is in the revolving chair for 4th best player in NBA right now- tonight SGA hit a game winner to beat the NBA champs and took over the seat as the 4th best player on earth from Fox. But Luka had a 40 triple double - curry went nuclear in 4th and AntMan went off… but SGA did the damn thing today on both ends and again is in 4th.

But Embiid Again did what he is just doing - rolling out of bed dropping nukes-

And Giannis just shot 7-9 in a blowout - got 22 points in 20 or so minutes and didn’t stat pad against DETROIT


But could the MVP actually be Mike Brown because no fox no problem - get 47 from Murray and light the beam on em again???

Fox was the fourth best player? lol Sorry, but I couldn’t be bothered reading what you said after that.

[bigboi]

If you're asking me who I'd rather have for the rest of this season and postseason, current SGA or current Giannis, it's SGA. He's the best 2-way shooting guard since Jordan. He's less of an injury risk than Giannis, better at lifting his teammates offensively, more of a leader, and possibly still improving while you never know when the odometer might turn over on Giannis.

You can’t be serious

Once he said he would rather have SGA over Giannis I stopped reading…


SGA is in the revolving chair for 4th best player in NBA right now- tonight SGA hit a game winner to beat the NBA champs and took over the seat as the 4th best player on earth from Fox. But Luka had a 40 triple double - curry went nuclear in 4th and AntMan went off… but SGA did the damn thing today on both ends and again is in 4th.

But Embiid Again did what he is just doing - rolling out of bed dropping nukes-

And Giannis just shot 7-9 in a blowout - got 22 points in 20 or so minutes and didn’t stat pad against DETROIT


But could the MVP actually be Mike Brown because no fox no problem - get 47 from Murray and light the beam on em again???

Neither Fox nor SGA are better than Luka

[losmi]

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That would be impressive if he hadn't ducked the three toughest games between those nine.

He seems to be on mission to break all streak records by cherrypicking opponents.

What would be impressive is if you would stop being a broken record.

I still haven't heard your explanation for him missing to games being sick. The entire team was sick and multiple players including Maxey missed games. The whole team was ducking too?

Maxey and others played vs MIN and NOP, only Embiid didn't.

Either way, it seems fradulent to bring up streak records in circumctances where one only plays against tanking teams while skipping good ones.

[ChartFiction]

Embiids shooting almost 90% from the FT line as a center.

He's been completely dominant this season. Looks too easy.

[MyTake_1]

Embiid is not getting MVP no matter what, everyone who voted for him last year, for all the wrong reasons, will not vote for him this year, he got his gift.
Giannis and Jokic have to do the impossible this year to get it, they are extremely unlikely to get it.
My vote would be Luka, he is a generational talent, and he is most likely MVP in my view.
Some other guys may get in the mix, Tatum, SGA come to mind.