2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (Series tied 2-2)

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Who wins?

Poll ended at Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:33 pm

Nuggets in 5
3
4%
Nuggets in 6
9
12%
Nuggets in 7
16
22%
Clippers in 5
7
9%
Clippers in 6
33
45%
Clippers in 7
6
8%
 
Total votes: 74

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Post#541 » by slicedbread2 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:47 am

pepe1991 wrote:First two games were excellent watch for basketball fans.
This one got ugly for Nuggets.

At the end of a day, Nuggets from roster construction, FO decisions, ownership nepotism simply fails Jokić.
With Bucks & Giannis, their FO at least tried ato make moves, no matter how poor those moves are.

Nuggets do nothing year after year, since winning title, they return every year with worst roster than year prior.

Whoever thought it was brilliant idea to give Murray AND Porter max money killed hopes for multiple titles.

When you look Nuggets bench, it's bunch of enigmatic names for nba pub quiz culture like Jalen PIckett, Vlade Čančar, Hunter Tyson. LIke, there are some G league teams with better players.

$14M went to Zeke Nnaji and Dario Šarić. Neither are in rotation whole year long. It is still great enigma to me how they won 50 games with such roster, having 6 nba players on it whole year long.


Clippers on other hand have 4 players that play great. This game Powell was cooking and it was massive swing for Clippers side.
At the end of a day, judging by this series, among top 6 players in a series, 4 are on Clippers.
Nuggets need Porter to play like near all star, and guy averages 8 ppg. In only W they have, Gordon played like all star. Been off since.

And this is where their complete lack of depth comes to play. Even if they had actual nba coach ( they don't, Jokić is coach-player) you simply can't make adjustments without players required to do so. Every time JOkić goes to bench, Nuggets are screwed. For crying out loud, in this one, Gordon played PG to start 4th quarter :crazy:


The CBA with the accursed 2nd apron really killed the Nuggets.

-Bruce Brown was a casualty where they were restricted to non-bird rights and could only offer him a taxpayer MLE beginning at 7.8M. Indiana dwarfed it by offering 22M guaranteed with a 23M T/O that was exercised.
-KCP was let go because the 2nd apron would've killed them and honestly it was the right move because Anthony Edwards killed him and he looked a step slower and Braun has done well in the starting role. Sadly if they resigned KCP, they risked having their tradable 1st(2031) being frozen and risked having their 1sts they still owe being sent to the bottom of the 1st(ex. if in 2030 they stunk and ended up with the 15th pick, that pick would become the 30th).

What made matters worse was the cold war brewing between Mike Malone and Calvin Booth. Malone refusing to play younger players whom he saw as Booth's guys and insisting on playing veterans who were cooked while failing to develop a backup big that could soak up minutes while Jokic sat(When asked what happens when Jokic sits, Malone's response: Pray :o ) along Booth being too smart for his own good and the fact that both parties weren't willing to separate the personal from the professional was sad. The real victims besides from Jokic's historic season going to waste were the young players who simply wanted an opportunity to shine was disgraceful. Didn't help that Malone was insistent on playing Nnaji at C for 2 years when the evidence was clear that he should only be a 4 at the NBA level and was doing well. At least it could've pumped up his trade value if need be.

When the old dudes like Russ aren't getting it done, they should've given Strawther and Pickett major burn to see what they had because their bench was amongst the worse in the league and we're seeing the bottom fall out. Honestly an early playoff exit may be the best thing for the Nuggets as Porter Jr. is now injured and can't do much. He's their only real tradeable piece (his last year is only guaranteed for 12m) and unless Durant says I only want Denver, they'd be better off breaking up his contract into useable role players. Yes they won't come close to Porter Jr's scoring, but this isn't working out.

The Clips are feeling pretty good right now. They managed to dodge a bullet by letting PG-13 go. I have major concerns about Kawhi's quad, but man when that dude plays, he's truly the embodiment of ole reliable. Harden doesn't have to score much and can just be a playmaker while Zubac has really shined in controlling Jokic (you ain't stopping greatness from doing what they do) while scoring at will. That Harden/Zubac PNR has been fabulous. Kris Dunn is an absolute pest on defense and Norm Powell (he'll always be a fan favourite in Toronto) has done amazing. Getting Nic Batum and DJJ to compliment Kawhi on the wings and minimize the load has been a real steal of a deal.

If Kawhi can stay healthy and lead the Clippers to a ring with Harden, it'll truly be impressive and I'd be really happy for longtime suffering Clippers fans, in particular Clipper Darrell.
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Post#542 » by falcolombardi » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:54 am

I wouldnt count denver for dead yet, if they win game 4 they are in a very good position to get it to a game 7 at home

Right now the way i see it clippers winning game 4 is check mate and losing it ends up leading to a 50/50 game 7 (clippers being the better team against denver hca).

If i was a betting man i would give clippers 75/80% odds but nuggets have a puncher chance
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Post#543 » by Lala870 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 6:54 am

MrGoat wrote:
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MrGoat wrote:I wouldn't sleep on this Clippers team as a dark horse. As a Mavs fan who watched 2011 I wouldn't underestimate what a team filled with vets with career disappointments and realizing they're running out of time can do if they're all healthy. Harden still has another chance here with Kawhi actually healthy for now


Lebron forgetting how to play basketball also helped Dallas that year.

There were so many strange series that year if memory serves. Those OKC games were always a train wreck officiating wise.


Dallas usually had a bad whistle thanks to Cuban, I could point you to Danny Crawford's record with them. What was hilarious was the league tried to rig game 6 for the Heat but they were so rattled by the last two games they bricked so many free throws it actually backfired on the refs. David Stern was in attendance and looked absolutely pissed near the end of the game when it was clear the Mavs had actually done it anyway and Cuban who had been sending him videos to complain about the reffing over the years was about to get a victory lap. But yeah, I'll never see a greater or even equal moment for the Mavs now in my lifetime


I wasnt a huge fan of the playoffs that year in general for several reasons. Mavs won but I remember following Denver that year and man they butched the hell out of their first round series against OKC. Refs were all over it amongst other series too...
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Post#544 » by iggymcfrack » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:03 am

slicedbread2 wrote:When the old dudes like Russ aren't getting it done, they should've given Strawther and Pickett major burn to see what they had because their bench was amongst the worse in the league and we're seeing the bottom fall out. Honestly an early playoff exit may be the best thing for the Nuggets as Porter Jr. is now injured and can't do much. He's their only real tradeable piece (his last year is only guaranteed for 12m) and unless Durant says I only want Denver, they'd be better off breaking up his contract into useable role players. Yes they won't come close to Porter Jr's scoring, but this isn't working out.


Ooh, I didn't know about this! That could actually make him a legit option for a team looking for salary flexibility to get out of the second apron. Maybe the Nuggets could do something like Porter and whatever picks they have available for maybe Jrue Holiday and Sam Hauser? Both of them are better than Porter at least.
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Post#545 » by HotRocks34 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:04 am

Series over.

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Post#546 » by Clemenza » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:09 am

If Norm is back on track its going to be an uphill battle for Denver. Just need health to stay on our side. Also its odd seeing a former deep team in Denver now have to rely on Jokic and Murray for literally everything under the sun. They'll gassed soon if not already.
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Post#547 » by iggymcfrack » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:16 am

falcolombardi wrote:I wouldnt count denver for dead yet, if they win game 4 they are in a very good position to get it to a game 7 at home

Right now the way i see it clippers winning game 4 is check mate and losing it ends up leading to a 50/50 game 7 (clippers being the better team against denver hca).

If i was a betting man i would give clippers 75/80% odds but nuggets have a puncher chance


I mean the Nuggets always have a chance. These are Kawhi's last 3 playoff series:

2021 vs. Jazz: Injured in Game 4
2023 vs. Suns: Injured in Game 2
2024 vs. Mavericks: Played games 2 and 3 and missed the rest of the series

If the Nuggets were down 3-1 heading home and they pulled out a win where Kawhi got hurt in the 4th quarter, they could easily take that series. They almost came back against the Wolves last year after losing the first 2 at home. But yeah, at 100% the Clippers are easily the better team, and if the Nuggets are more injured than the Clippers, they pretty much have no shot.
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Post#548 » by Lala870 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:30 am

HotRocks34 wrote:Series over.

Read on Twitter


MPJ getting ready for those LA off seasons and podcast appearances



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Post#549 » by HotRocks34 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 7:52 am

HotRocks34 wrote:Series over.

Read on Twitter


Westbrook has a bad hip too and couldn't play in the second half of Game 3.

Good luck Clips as you move on.
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Post#550 » by Lala870 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:07 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Series over.

Read on Twitter


Westbrook has a bad hip too and couldn't play in the second half of Game 3.

Good luck Clips as you move on.


MPJ as a whole just infuriates me. Came in cocky with the media after getting drafted knowing he had a "bad back". Sat his entire first season.

There was also speculation at the time his back problems were caused by his vegan diet. Some articles say he did to "heal" his back but I remember at the time many people saying his vegenism started way earlier and caused his back issues. I have seen many people on youtube in years past make comments how veganism ruined their physical/mental health and they switched back to a normal diet.

Naturally the Nuggets reward him time and time again for being the glass-man on the court. Not the good kind either.
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Post#551 » by PlatinumState » Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:28 am

Its over. Denver just doesnt have a adequate bench to win in the 'offs
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Post#552 » by CodeBreaker » Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:46 am

Denver just no longer have the personnel to make this a series. Can't wait for OKC vs Clips
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Post#553 » by Tomhomes33 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:54 am

If Nuggets lose game 4, I expect Jokic to pack his bags and book tickets to Serbia before game 5.
I mean better to play with horses than donkeys:)
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Post#554 » by Lakers In 5 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 9:14 am

In 10 to 15 years we will look back and ask ourselves how it was possible Denver had the clear best player of a generation and only came away with one title. Perhaps just one Finals appearance, too. This is some Barry Sanders type of awfulness.
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Post#555 » by Deathray » Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:00 am

Tracymcgoaty wrote:We all want SGA V Kawhi fam.

We want Kawhi vs Caruso.

That was a tough matchup for Kawhi during the regular season.
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Post#556 » by _NoMas » Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:08 am

Optms wrote:Kawhi is literally the only reason why I am even taking the Clippers serious as contenders. He is just that incredible. I don't trust Harden unfortunately. We will see how he looks against a better team in later rounds.


Just praying for health. Kawhi v SGA would be cinema stuff
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Post#557 » by Statlanta » Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:04 am

This season is a failure from the Nuggets from Jokic on down

Whole organization has been lazy since the championship. Maybe Boston will learn the lesson Denver did not.
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Post#558 » by kingr » Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:03 pm

clippers have looked better than Denver in all 3 games so far. Unless Denver or clipps for that matter shows something different, clipps should have this.
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Post#559 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:18 pm

Demagoog wrote:In 10 to 15 years we will look back and ask ourselves how it was possible Denver had the clear best player of a generation and only came away with one title. Perhaps just one Finals appearance, too. This is some Barry Sanders type of awfulness.


So much talk in here about Denver failing Jokic. He is massively failing expectations as a 3x MVP in his prime. He's shooting efficiently on the limited shots he takes (gotta expand that shot diet!). He clears the defensive boards well (though not if he has to pursue a rebound that doesn't go to him, the Clippers get all of those). He had a really nice playmaker first quarter tonight, so I guess there's that? He hasn't dominated a single stretch of any game in this series.

Fair to expect more out a guy I've been attacked on here for anytime I question his Top 10 all time great, "GOAT peak" lable given by many on this board. They'll hit you with the BPM ranking × TS% added to his LEBRON score. When countered with statements like they below, they'll call you a hater:

yeah but in a playoff series superstars need to expand out of their normal shot diet, and i don't think he can do that and maintain efficiency

His playmaking comes from standstills at the top of the key (which isn't as effective as dribble penetration collapsing a defense) and is alot of handoffs and pitch backs

His unwillingness/inability to contest shots at the rim isn't a winning formula

his 3 point percentage is due to him almost exclusively shooting standstill open 3s (otherwise he doesn't shoot or his percentages go down.....and he can't create the looks for himself)

His lack of energy and poor body language makes me question him as a leader.

I question his ability to create out of nothing down the stretch of games (we've seen turnovers, deferring to Russell Westbrook, missed FTs, Flopping).......etc.


Well......what are we seeing play out, yet again, vs a quality playoff opponent (I think the Clips lose in 5 or 6 vs OKC, they're decent though)? It seems like those statements, I've made for years now, are largely what we're seeing, again. There's no denying it with stats. Great Triple Doubles (He acts as their only playmaker and leads the league in passes per game, at the expense of dribble penetration in their offense. Look at those apg numbers though)!

Reading this the fingers are being pointed at his supporting cast. However this is a 3x MVP, in his prime, showing poor leadership and underperforming massively with his passive play. Putting up solid stats, not dominating games at all. This is your GOAT peak? I'm not sure how'd anyone with eyes and who cares so much about basketball can keep going along with this.

If he were dominating the series it might be a different conversation. He isn't though, at all, and this is round 1. Harden is supposed to be a washed up choker. Can't dominate vs these guys? I've got no sympathy for that. Maybe Jokic just is NOT him.
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Post#560 » by jokeboy86 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:49 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
Demagoog wrote:In 10 to 15 years we will look back and ask ourselves how it was possible Denver had the clear best player of a generation and only came away with one title. Perhaps just one Finals appearance, too. This is some Barry Sanders type of awfulness.


So much talk in here about Denver failing Jokic. He is massively failing expectations as a 3x MVP in his prime. He's shooting efficiently on the limited shots he takes (gotta expand that shot diet!). He clears the defensive boards well (though not if he has to pursue a rebound that doesn't go to him, the Clippers get all of those). He had a really nice playmaker first quarter tonight, so I guess there's that? He hasn't dominated a single stretch of any game in this series.

Fair to expect more out a guy I've been attacked on here for anytime I question his Top 10 all time great, "GOAT peak" lable given by many on this board. They'll hit you with the BPM ranking × TS% added to his LEBRON score. When countered with statements like they below, they'll call you a hater:

yeah but in a playoff series superstars need to expand out of their normal shot diet, and i don't think he can do that and maintain efficiency

His playmaking comes from standstills at the top of the key (which isn't as effective as dribble penetration collapsing a defense) and is alot of handoffs and pitch backs

His unwillingness/inability to contest shots at the rim isn't a winning formula

his 3 point percentage is due to him almost exclusively shooting standstill open 3s (otherwise he doesn't shoot or his percentages go down.....and he can't create the looks for himself)

His lack of energy and poor body language makes me question him as a leader.

I question his ability to create out of nothing down the stretch of games (we've seen turnovers, deferring to Russell Westbrook, missed FTs, Flopping).......etc.


Well......what are we seeing play out, yet again, vs a quality playoff opponent (I think the Clips lose in 5 or 6 vs OKC, they're decent though)? It seems like those statements, I've made for years now, are largely what we're seeing, again. There's no denying it with stats. Great Triple Doubles (He acts as their only playmaker and leads the league in passes per game, at the expense of dribble penetration in their offense. Look at those apg numbers though)!

Reading this the fingers are being pointed at his supporting cast. However this is a 3x MVP, in his prime, showing poor leadership and underperforming massively with his passive play. Putting up solid stats, not dominating games at all. This is your GOAT peak? I'm not sure how'd anyone with eyes and who cares so much about basketball can keep going along with this.

If he were dominating the series it might be a different conversation. He isn't though, at all, and this is round 1. Harden is supposed to be a washed up choker. Can't dominate vs these guys? I've got no sympathy for that. Maybe Jokic just is NOT him.


You would admit though it’s easier for a team to gameplan for the one guy that can beat you when his teammates aren’t consistent or have much more flaws right? And again for the umpteenth time how many guys has Jokic played with who’ve made All-NBA or even made an all-star team while playing with him? When talking about all time great players specifically top 10, that matters because most of those greats have done so hence the reason that not only some of them won multiple titles but at the least made multiple Finals appearances.

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