MVP Rankings 1.0

[Dat Pass]

As for the bad losses, LA last year lost to = Indiana, Sac, Charlotte (2x), Phx, Philly, etc. Most of those teams didn't even make the playoffs. Bad teams get up to play against good teams. It happens.

First off, I would hardly qualify Phx and Philly as bad teams. Philly was a playoff team and the Suns were 10 games over .500.

So you listed 4 bad losses for an entire season. Cleveland has 5 already and we are barely 1/4 of the way thru. See the difference?

[INKtastic]

As for the bad losses, LA last year lost to = Indiana, Sac, Charlotte (2x), Phx, Philly, etc. Most of those teams didn't even make the playoffs. Bad teams get up to play against good teams. It happens.

First off, I would hardly qualify Phx and Philly as bad teams. Philly was a playoff team and the Suns were 10 games over .500.

So you listed 4 bad losses for an entire season. Cleveland has 5 already and we are barely 1/4 of the way thru. See the difference?

At least be consistent. Houston is 3 games over .500 and a playoff team just over 1/4 of the way into the season. That projects to around 10 games over .500. As of right now, Toronto and Charlotte are tied for the same 8th seed in the east that Philly had last year.

[Dat Pass]

As for the bad losses, LA last year lost to = Indiana, Sac, Charlotte (2x), Phx, Philly, etc. Most of those teams didn't even make the playoffs. Bad teams get up to play against good teams. It happens.

First off, I would hardly qualify Phx and Philly as bad teams. Philly was a playoff team and the Suns were 10 games over .500.

So you listed 4 bad losses for an entire season. Cleveland has 5 already and we are barely 1/4 of the way thru. See the difference?

At least be consistent. Houston is 3 games over .500 and a playoff team just over 1/4 of the way into the season. That projects to around 10 games over .500. As of right now, Toronto and Charlotte are tied for the same 8th seed in the east that Philly had last year.

1. I never listed Houston as one of their bad losses, thats why I said they have 5. (Raptors, Bulls, Wizards, Bobcats and Grizzlies)

2. The Raptors are 11-15 and the Bobcats are 9-13. At least the 76ers were .500 last season. Explain to me how losing to a 11-15 or 9-13 team doesnt qualify as a "bad loss"?

[JimMurray]

I would put Kobe at three right now, but there is sizeable gap between Lebron and the feild right now. He is just having a flat out better season than anyone up to this point.

You are so silly....you are the Lebron FanBoy poster child. People stopped taking you seriously a long time ago.

[JimMurray]

i.e. LeBron plays better in the bad games (losses) than kobe does in the good games (wins).

Number one, this is an absurd statement. 2nd, it's a little difficult to take you seriously when your screename is lj4mvp, which basically means your a lebron fan boy and it doesn't matter what happens, you will always argue Lebron should be MVP, no matter what.

I then went on to show that when they do lose, LeBron is generally still trying to carry them to a win, as he also often has to do in wins.

Have you ever considered the fact that teams have learned that making Lebron a one on five player increases their chances of winning exponentially? Lebron hasn't figured this out yet, hence, his monstrous numbers in losses. Nobody is impressed by them. It means so much more to get those numbers in victories. Who cares if you score 40+ when you lose the game?

[JimMurray]

LeBron will probably win it. Cleveland will finish somewhere between 58-62 wins and King James will put up insane numbers. The Lakers will get 65-67 wins but they are far more loaded than Cleveland is with a far better head coach directing things.

GTFO with that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) argument. We established 20 pages ago the flaws in this argument, and nobody buys it...other than Lebron fans. If Lebron finished with less wins than last year on a upgraded team, he wins nothing. He gets a pass if and only if he finishes with the leagues best record...but 58 -62 wins and the 3rd seed in the East isn't going to cut it.

It will be just like last year---LeBron proves he is the best player in the NBA while the Lakers prove they are the best team in the NBA.

More people think Kobe is the best player than Lebron...they did a poll and everything. Furthermore, why don't we see if Lebron can get out of the East before we start awarding him that Label. Kobe has it hands down for now.

[Sedale Threatt]

Have you ever considered the fact that teams have learned that making Lebron a one on five player increases their chances of winning exponentially? Lebron hasn't figured this out yet, hence, his monstrous numbers in losses. Nobody is impressed by them. It means so much more to get those numbers in victories. Who cares if you score 40+ when you lose the game?

I know I am, and I'm sure there are many, many more.

[YLSKillaCam]

I'm always impressed by Lebron's numbers. You're kidding yourself if you think getting those type of numbers is easy. I'm more impressed with Kobe's leadership of his team and the record that they have 22 games into the season.

The big debate regarding Kobe v. Lebron is which do we value more? Do we value production more or do we value leadership, intangibles.

I think it is clear that they are OBVIOUSLY the top 2 players in the league. It is clear to everyone which one is better depending on who you're a fan of. Lebron fans say clearly lebron, kobe fans say clearly Kobe. They are both great in production and great in leadership and intangibles.

To me, those saying Lebron has been better individually have been ignoring half the game. Kobe's defense this season has been almost at his 00-03 levels. Almost. Certainly, he's a first teamer. Lebron's defense has regressed from last season. I think that's pretty clear.

The debate is close, but for now I'll defer to Maurice Brooks and ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/ ... ards-watch

[Dat Pass]

Have you ever considered the fact that teams have learned that making Lebron a one on five player increases their chances of winning exponentially? Lebron hasn't figured this out yet, hence, his monstrous numbers in losses. Nobody is impressed by them. It means so much more to get those numbers in victories. Who cares if you score 40+ when you lose the game?

I know I am, and I'm sure there are many, many more.

I agree with both answers here. I dont think its fair to say that his numbers arent impressive, even if the result is a loss. However, JimMurray is completely correct in saying that teams are making LeBron go one on five, so it does minimize the value of his stats to a certain extent if his team losses. Teams could care less if LeBron drops 37-7-7 on them if they still win.

[Tesla]

I still got Kobe barely ahead of James if the season ended today. Dirk right behind those two, with Nash/Melo right behind him. Dwight begins to glare into that top 5.

1. KB24
2. LJ6
3. Dirk
4. Nash/Melo
5. Melo/Nash
6. Dwight

[Greatness]

For now I got Kobe ahead of LeBron slightly. LeBron needs to lead his team to more W's and he needs to cut down on turnovers. If he does that, he will pass Kobe in my rankings.

[doc shivers]

Nash had a 25/13 as he owned parker and the spurs tonight. He's looking like his old MVP self.

[kaiiu2324]

So if the Lakers dont win at least 65 wins this season, Kobe wont have a chance at winning this award because of the talent on the Lakers,they should be looking at 65+ easily.Thats seems to be the theory with Lebron.

[schnakenpopanz]

right now its nash. at this age witht this team. there is no player in the league increasing the production of the whole team, not his own.

[NYK 455]

1. LeBron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dirk Nowitzki/Steve Nash
4. Steve Nash/Dirk Nowitzki
5. Carmelo Anthony

I have LeBron over Kobe because I feel he's more valuable to his team. Both teams are contenders, but the Cavs would be a lottery team without LeBron. I think the Lakers would be a 50+ win team and still a contender without Kobe. Kobe is second because he's the man on the best team in the league. Dirk has been awesome as usual, right behind those two. Steve Nash has been amazing so far, best point in the NBA despite how awesome Paul and Williams are. The Suns are doing great despite a mediocre squad. Carmelo has been playing great as well, a solid 5th.

[Chris Hansen]

right now its nash. at this age witht this team. there is no player in the league increasing the production of the whole team, not his own.

Lol not even close. age is irrelevant.

sorry but imagine LeBron this team:

Barbosa
Jrich
LeBron
Amare
Frye

[yCH]

Kobe is absolutely ridiculous. I really thought his game was going to decline a lot since he injured his index finger. But looking at him play today, he was absolutely ridiculous.

Name a player in this league that plays through the injury like Kobe.

I'm not trying to suck up to Kobe or anything but seriously, all these haters need to lay off the bias cap. We are going to really miss this guy once he retires.

[LebronsCavs]

LeBron will probably win it. Cleveland will finish somewhere between 58-62 wins and King James will put up insane numbers. The Lakers will get 65-67 wins but they are far more loaded than Cleveland is with a far better head coach directing things.

GTFO with that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) argument. We established 20 pages ago the flaws in this argument, and nobody buys it...other than Lebron fans. If Lebron finished with less wins than last year on a upgraded team, he wins nothing. He gets a pass if and only if he finishes with the leagues best record...but 58 -62 wins and the 3rd seed in the East isn't going to cut it.

It will be just like last year---LeBron proves he is the best player in the NBA while the Lakers prove they are the best team in the NBA.

More people think Kobe is the best player than Lebron...they did a poll and everything. Furthermore, why don't we see if Lebron can get out of the East before we start awarding him that Label. Kobe has it hands down for now.

Your sig is hilarious. You are clearly a Kobe fan/Lebron hater. Actually most people said Lebron was clearly the best player in the league last year. Check the realgm polls and check the mvp polls, I think KObe managed 1 first place vote on a 65 win team

[LebronsCavs]

Have you ever considered the fact that teams have learned that making Lebron a one on five player increases their chances of winning exponentially? Lebron hasn't figured this out yet, hence, his monstrous numbers in losses. Nobody is impressed by them. It means so much more to get those numbers in victories. Who cares if you score 40+ when you lose the game?

I know I am, and I'm sure there are many, many more.

I agree with both answers here. I dont think its fair to say that his numbers arent impressive, even if the result is a loss. However, JimMurray is completely correct in saying that teams are making LeBron go one on five, so it does minimize the value of his stats to a certain extent if his team losses. Teams could care less if LeBron drops 37-7-7 on them if they still win.

JimMurray is a complete Lebron hater, he should change his sig.

[Father Time]

And you're obviously a Kobe hater/Lebron stan.