Lin feeling disrespected?

[Imon]

LMAO.

29 pages and counting...
Lin isn't a bad guy but I wouldn't want him on my team simply because people hyperventilate over small issues like this. The Tim Tebow of the NBA.

[spaceballer]

Lin should have stayed in NY, too bad they didnt even make an offer to him. I think for NBA-story sake, he would have been much better placed there. Everyone says the Rockets have a big Asian market, but for the general NBA, it seems he got lost there.

He would have but he decided to fight for more money by negotiating on the downlow and the 3rd year really stopped any chance of him getting his money.

Houston waived Lin before, I don't know why he is so surprised about any of this. They don't really care about him. He was beloved in New York, even got a standing ovation when he was with Houston in his return there.

Sucks he is getting treated like this but he blew a great opportunity to not only play where he is comfortable but to play where he can ring up just as much money endorsement wise and the place he got to show the world what he can do. Can't feel too bad about that.

That's incorrect on so many levels. The Knicks never made him a single offer (other than the near vet min QO required to make him an RFA). Houston was the only team that gave him a contract (because everyone else assumed the Knicks would match). And Morey was the one who raised it after the Knicks said they would match the reported numbers in the news (if the Knicks had kept quiet, Morey wouldn't have raised it). Lin did not go back to negotiated for more money on the down low, that was Les and Morey responding to Woodson's words in the press. The Rockets only ever presented one contract for Lin to sign, it was either take it or leave it. And everyone expected the Knicks to match, since they said so to scare off suitors.

If Lin didn't sign the Rockets contract, he would have had to accept the near Vet Min QO from the Knicks. He had no 2nd offer. The Knicks refused to negotiated with him and told him to go out and find his market price. If the Knicks had given him an offer, maybe he would have accepted.

Even in the most recent interview a month ago, Lin refused to say he left the Knicks, saying "I don't know if you could say I "left" the Knicks" when asked about why he left. He didn't, in his mind, he never made that choice. The Knicks made it by not giving him a single offer that he could choose instead of the Rockets one, and then not matching. He even said he wanted to play in front of the MSG fans for the rest of his career and will love them till the day he dies, even AFTER the Knicks failed to match.

Don't buy the character assassination BS that MSG's PR department shoveled out to prep the ground for Felton after they decided not to match, and to go with Dolan's BBQ buddy. If you had been following it closely at the time, you could even see the point where Alan Hahn did a 180 about face when his corporate bosses yanked on his chain, and went from passionately advocating for the Knicks to match to trying to easy people into accepting Felton.

[baki]

what are you really arguing now anyway? that Lin shouldn't have tweeted anything because you don't think it was a big deal? that's fine, that's your opinion, but you are in a minority. so, at least try and understand why people think otherwise and why people think it's disrespectful. Lin's tweet is actually quite benign and i'm sure he felt some pressure to respond to everyone pointing out those photos of Melo to him.

my point is his fans overreacted

Scroll though the 1600+ comment thread on Reddit and look at the team flair icons next to each user's name. It's not "his fans", but the fans of every other team in the NBA standing behind Lin on this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/29 ... y_rockets/

I see team flair icons for Grizzlies, Raptors, Lakers, Knicks, Blazers, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, Bucks, Mavs, etc...the list goes on. Heck, there are even guys rocking Seattle Supers Sonics icons there. So let's not try to pigeonhole this as "Lin fans."

Thanks for this, I knew that there are a lot of people out there young and old who can relate to Lin's good guy demeanor and "guy-next-door who happens to be an NBA player" that's why he has a lot of great (Rockets and Non-Rockets) fans. I love the fact that school kids can follow him instead of "strip club" Harden. This is why he's popular, and that's why he's good for the NBA.

Then we have some not so great fans that spread rubbish all the time since day 1, unbelievably many of them are Rockets fans just like MaxRider, Sasaki, LarsV8 etc etc. It's funny because it's so easy to see the haters coming, they keep going on and on about how much they hate him without talking about anything else that might be wrong with the rest of the team

This hatred is worrying, I've never seen a bunch of fans that hates San Antonio as much as some Houston fans do.

[spaceballer]

Weird that this is by far the most discussed topic of the past 24 hrs here (and still going). We really need some LeBron-related news asap.

Yeah, it's one of the larger threads on Reddit too. Fans from every team want to chime in.

[13th Man]

Lin should have stayed in NY, too bad they didnt even make an offer to him. I think for NBA-story sake, he would have been much better placed there. Everyone says the Rockets have a big Asian market, but for the general NBA, it seems he got lost there.

He would have but he decided to fight for more money by negotiating on the downlow and the 3rd year really stopped any chance of him getting his money.

Houston waived Lin before, I don't know why he is so surprised about any of this. They don't really care about him. He was beloved in New York, even got a standing ovation when he was with Houston in his return there.

Sucks he is getting treated like this but he blew a great opportunity to not only play where he is comfortable but to play where he can ring up just as much money endorsement wise and the place he got to show the world what he can do. Can't feel too bad about that.

That's incorrect on so many levels. The Knicks never made him a single offer (other than the near vet min QO required to make him an RFA). Houston was the only team that gave him a contract (because everyone else assumed the Knicks would match). And Morey was the one who raised it after the Knicks said they would match the reported numbers in the news (if the Knicks had kept quiet, Morey wouldn't have raised it). Lin did not go back to negotiated for more money on the down low, that was Les and Morey responding to Woodson's words in the press. The Rockets only ever presented one contract for Lin to sign, it was either take it or leave it. And everyone expected the Knicks to match, since they said so to scare off suitors.

If Lin didn't sign the Rockets contract, he would have had to accept the near Vet Min QO from the Knicks. He had no 2nd offer. The Knicks refused to negotiated with him and told him to go out and find his market price. If the Knicks had given him an offer, maybe he would have accepted.

Even in the most recent interview a month ago, Lin refused to say he left the Knicks, saying "I don't know if you could say I "left" the Knicks" when asked about why he left. He didn't, in his mind, he never made that choice. The Knicks made it by not giving him a single offer that he could choose instead of the Rockets one, and then not matching. He even said he wanted to play in front of the MSG fans for the rest of his career and will love them till the day he dies, even AFTER the Knicks failed to match.

Don't buy the character assassination BS that MSG's PR department shoveled out to prep the ground for Felton after they decided not to match, and to go with Dolan's BBQ buddy. If you had been following it closely at the time, you could even see the point where Alan Hahn did a 180 about face when his corporate bosses yanked on his chain, and went from passionately advocating for the Knicks to match to trying to easy people into accepting Felton.

Morey and Co. slimeballed their way to get Lin from the Knicks with the poison pill offer (NY did not expect any org to pull such a tactic), then they basically shoved Lin aside after getting Harden. From day one, McHale never believed in Lin and often expressed how much he sucked (in different terms). I believe the root cause of this mess was because Les wanted Lin but management (McHale/Morey) did not approve nor endorsed it since it was them that let him go the previous season. Now they're trying to throw Lin under the bus and many followers are believed into thinking that it's because Lin failed to live up to expectations.

Lin is not the first that they've played games with, just ask Dragic and Lowry, it's no surprise that Lowry wants no part of this organization anymore. They're in this predicament right now due to poor management synergism and shady practices, nobody else is to blame. Lin needs to get out of Houston badly.

[hans0r]

Lin should have stayed in NY, too bad they didnt even make an offer to him. I think for NBA-story sake, he would have been much better placed there. Everyone says the Rockets have a big Asian market, but for the general NBA, it seems he got lost there.

He would have but he decided to fight for more money by negotiating on the downlow and the 3rd year really stopped any chance of him getting his money.

Houston waived Lin before, I don't know why he is so surprised about any of this. They don't really care about him. He was beloved in New York, even got a standing ovation when he was with Houston in his return there.

Sucks he is getting treated like this but he blew a great opportunity to not only play where he is comfortable but to play where he can ring up just as much money endorsement wise and the place he got to show the world what he can do. Can't feel too bad about that.

That's incorrect on so many levels. The Knicks never made him a single offer (other than the near vet min QO required to make him an RFA). Houston was the only team that gave him a contract (because everyone else assumed the Knicks would match). And Morey was the one who raised it after the Knicks said they would match the reported numbers in the news (if the Knicks had kept quiet, Morey wouldn't have raised it). Lin did not go back to negotiated for more money on the down low, that was Les and Morey responding to Woodson's words in the press. The Rockets only ever presented one contract for Lin to sign, it was either take it or leave it. And everyone expected the Knicks to match, since they said so to scare off suitors.

If Lin didn't sign the Rockets contract, he would have had to accept the near Vet Min QO from the Knicks. He had no 2nd offer. The Knicks refused to negotiated with him and told him to go out and find his market price. If the Knicks had given him an offer, maybe he would have accepted.

Even in the most recent interview a month ago, Lin refused to say he left the Knicks, saying "I don't know if you could say I "left" the Knicks" when asked about why he left. He didn't, in his mind, he never made that choice. The Knicks made it by not giving him a single offer that he could choose instead of the Rockets one, and then not matching. He even said he wanted to play in front of the MSG fans for the rest of his career and will love them till the day he dies, even AFTER the Knicks failed to match.

Don't buy the character assassination BS that MSG's PR department shoveled out to prep the ground for Felton after they decided not to match, and to go with Dolan's BBQ buddy. If you had been following it closely at the time, you could even see the point where Alan Hahn did a 180 about face when his corporate bosses yanked on his chain, and went from passionately advocating for the Knicks to match to trying to easy people into accepting Felton.

Exactly! That's what I posted a few pages previously. But flamers don't seem to care and keep repeating this crap.

[LINearity Wins]

he lost his starting job
is that doing his job right?

he lost his starting job because of Harden and because McHale dislikes playmaking PGs (lol). but that's besides the point.

what are you really arguing now anyway? that Lin shouldn't have tweeted anything because you don't think it was a big deal? that's fine, that's your opinion, but you are in a minority. so, at least try and understand why people think otherwise and why people think it's disrespectful. Lin's tweet is actually quite benign and i'm sure he felt some pressure to respond to everyone pointing out those photos of Melo to him.

my point is his fans overreacted

You are the one who were overreacted for defending the classless team! And I'm ashamed I cheered with you with the same team before.

[Manitoba]

Maybe it's because Bev is the better player?

Lin's on/off in Houston: -2.0 (they're better when he's not on the floor)
Bev's on/off in Houston: +6.4 (they're way better with him on the floor)

Where are you getting your stats? Accordiing to 82games.com, Lin's on/off this year is -1.1, not 2.0. Incidentally, Jamal Crawford's on/off this year is -1.6, which is worse than Lin's. By your logic, therefore, the Clippers would have been better off without the 2014 Sixth Man of the Year. The true conclusion is that on/off is a worthless stat.

When Lin started they were 21-12 (52 wins over 82 games), When Bev started they were 38-17 (57 wins over 82 games). By all measures the starting unit plays better with Beverley out there (you know the off ball shooter/defender). He's a role player and Lin is a 6th man type with the 7th man game.

More deceptive numbers. You didn't mention that Lin's 21-12 record as starter included 5 losses when Howard was out with injury. (Dwight was healthy for all of Beverley's games.) Is it any surprise that the Rockets tend to lose when their center is absent?

When Dwight is healthy, Lin's winning percentage as starter is 0.750, which is *far* better than Beverley's 0.691.

Another point. I said earlier that on/off is a useless stat. Well, here's a stat that isn't useless. Jeremy LIn's True Shooting % was .572 the past season, a lot better than Jamal Crawford's 0.556, and VASTLY better than Kyrie Irving's .533 and John Wall's .524. Lin should have been 6MOY; perhaps he didn't qualify because he started too many games.

So you are comprehensively wrong in claiming that Beverley is better than Lin.

In short, Lin is one of the best PGs in the NBA, and the Rockets did him a great wrong in benching him. After JerseyNumberGate, I think everybody sees the team's deceit and disrespect towards Lin.

[Sasaki]

Man I don't get the hate so many Rockets fans have for Lin. I can understand hating a player that has disrespected your franchise or the fans, or plays selfish ball, but Lin has done none of those things.

Do I hate him? No.

Am I tired of him? Of how NBA fans who just love the underdog Lin repeatedly use him as a whipping dog to bash everyone else on the Rockets? About how the fact that Lin isn't an All-Star is used as this fact that somehow "he isn't used properly" and not the fact that he is a point guard with major flaws in his game? Of his inconsistency and how he has stretches where he looks absolutely terrific, and then stretches where it looks like he doesn't belong in the league?

Yeah. I am tired of Lin. It's not his fault. He's an average point guard with strengths and weaknesses. But because of who he is, we have 26 freaking pages on one tweet from this average point guard, because of the media and the underdog story he represents. So I don't blame him for it in the slightest. But that doesn't mean it doesn't annoy me to death, and I'm sick to death of dealing with it. And a great deal of Rockets fans are at this point as well.

[Dino-Might]

Rockets should quickly unload LIn to another team that needs a point guard while giving up further assets, such as picks, etc. to do so.

Then they can watch him explode when used properly and develop into an all star caliber point guard.

Then they can beg to try to get him back.

Like Dragic.

Like Lowry.

Like Lin the first time.

Seriously, Houston's mismanagement of talented point guards is astounding. It really is a revolving door over there.

Watch out Beverly... once Lin, the convenient scapegoat is gone, they'll turn their sights on you.

[LINearity Wins]

Man I don't get the hate so many Rockets fans have for Lin. I can understand hating a player that has disrespected your franchise or the fans, or plays selfish ball, but Lin has done none of those things.

Do I hate him? No.

Am I tired of him? Of how NBA fans who just love the underdog Lin repeatedly use him as a whipping dog to bash everyone else on the Rockets? About how the fact that Lin isn't an All-Star is used as this fact that somehow "he isn't used properly" and not the fact that he is a point guard with major flaws in his game? Of his inconsistency and how he has stretches where he looks absolutely terrific, and then stretches where it looks like he doesn't belong in the league?

Yeah. I am tired of Lin. It's not his fault. He's an average point guard with strengths and weaknesses. But because of who he is, we have 26 freaking pages on one tweet from this average point guard, because of the media and the underdog story he represents. So I don't blame him for it in the slightest. But that doesn't mean it doesn't annoy me to death, and I'm sick to death of dealing with it. And a great deal of Rockets fans are at this point as well.

The reason why there is 29 pages rampage is because of Lin ? Sorry I'm really tired of watching this kind of blind defenders. The reason of 29 pages is because of classless Rockets, they shouldn't treat their own roster like that ! Did you get that ?

[Sasaki]

Rockets should quickly unload LIn to another team that needs a point guard while giving up further assets, such as picks, etc. to do so.

Then they can watch him explode when used properly and develop into an all star caliber point guard.

Then they can beg to try to get him back.

Like Dragic.

Like Lowry.

Like Lin the first time.

Seriously, Houston's mismanagement of talented point guards is astounding. It really is a revolving door over there.

Watch out Beverly... once Lin, the convenient scapegoat is gone, they'll turn their sights on you.

This post right here is a perfect example of what I mean when I say I'm tired of Lin. That if only the mean old Rockets and racist McHale and flopper Harden were gone, then Lin would go right back to his Linsanity days. And that's not true. Lowry and Dragic have shown more potential when they were Rockets than Lin has over these past two years.

[Dino-Might]

Rockets should quickly unload LIn to another team that needs a point guard while giving up further assets, such as picks, etc. to do so.

Then they can watch him explode when used properly and develop into an all star caliber point guard.

Then they can beg to try to get him back.

Like Dragic.

Like Lowry.

Like Lin the first time.

Seriously, Houston's mismanagement of talented point guards is astounding. It really is a revolving door over there.

Watch out Beverly... once Lin, the convenient scapegoat is gone, they'll turn their sights on you.

This post right here is a perfect example of what I mean when I say I'm tired of Lin. That if only the mean old Rockets and racist McHale and flopper Harden were gone, then Lin would go right back to his Linsanity days. And that's not true. Lowry and Dragic have shown more potential when they were Rockets than Lin has over these past two years.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never mentioned racism or Harden.

I simply said Houston has mismanaged its point guard assets in the past and Lin is another example. How does that relate to racism or Harden?

And if Houston thought Lowry and Dragic had shown that much potential when they were with the Rockets, then doesn't that show a pattern of mismanagement to let them go so easily or trade them?

[Sasaki]

Rockets should quickly unload LIn to another team that needs a point guard while giving up further assets, such as picks, etc. to do so.

Then they can watch him explode when used properly and develop into an all star caliber point guard.

Then they can beg to try to get him back.

Like Dragic.

Like Lowry.

Like Lin the first time.

Seriously, Houston's mismanagement of talented point guards is astounding. It really is a revolving door over there.

Watch out Beverly... once Lin, the convenient scapegoat is gone, they'll turn their sights on you.

This post right here is a perfect example of what I mean when I say I'm tired of Lin. That if only the mean old Rockets and racist McHale and flopper Harden were gone, then Lin would go right back to his Linsanity days. And that's not true. Lowry and Dragic have shown more potential when they were Rockets than Lin has over these past two years.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never mentioned racism or Harden.

I simply said Houston has mismanaged its point guard assets in the past and Lin is another example. How does that relate to racism or Harden?

And if Houston thought Lowry and Dragic had shown that much potential when they were with the Rockets, then doesn't that show a pattern of mismanagement to let them go so easily or trade them?

You may not have mentioned racism, but plenty of others have.

As for Lowry and Dragic: Lowry was traded for a pick without which we don't get James Harden. Though I guess these days most people would take Lowry over Harden, so maybe that was a bad move after all in the eyes of RealGM.

Dragic was a mistake, but one does not a pattern make.

[marson]

Wow let's say it was the 15th man on the roster who had the number and not Lin, Still There is no reason for them to do this.

[inquisitive]

isnt it time to lock this?

[bfpri]

Rockets should quickly unload LIn to another team that needs a point guard while giving up further assets, such as picks, etc. to do so.

Then they can watch him explode when used properly and develop into an all star caliber point guard.

Then they can beg to try to get him back.

Like Dragic.

Like Lowry.

Like Lin the first time.

Seriously, Houston's mismanagement of talented point guards is astounding. It really is a revolving door over there.

Watch out Beverly... once Lin, the convenient scapegoat is gone, they'll turn their sights on you.

the only all star team LIn would be joining is the one in China.

[Ettorefm]

The Tim Tebow of the NBA.

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Tebow is not NFL talent. Lin is a very good PG who can start for many teams in the league. His starting numbers are amazing, and the team played a lot better with him on the court.
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Half of Asik's points in 12-13 were assists from Lin

[ciregno]

Can't wait til Lin's not a Rocket anymore.

[CablexDeadpool]

Tebow is not NFL talent. Lin is a very good PG who can start for many teams in the league. His starting numbers are amazing, and the team played a lot better with him on the court.
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Half of Asik's points in 12-13 were assists from Lin

Jeremy Lin is the Tim Tebow in the sense his fans make team fans want to get rid of him.

This is why crazes and fads aren't good for subpar to average players, because a subset of people will think you don't deserve the attention you are getting and will grow to hate you. And of course the organization you playing will consider you a distraction and not an asset.

Jeremy Lin was mainly brought in and overpaid for marketing reasons, Morey gets Bev,Dwight Howard and Harden and now he's no longer needed because the Rockets are not interested in being a sideshow now, but winning. Nobody respects Lin to the degree that his fans do and there's a disconnect and now its blown out of proportion about how good he is and how bad he is treated.

Lin will probably never get an actual shot again like he got in New York.