2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

Triples333 · Post #561 » by **Triples333** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:04 pm

Homer38 wrote:
Triples333 wrote:
Tigersrule wrote:Lets not forget hes also playing better defense that Harden.

On his career low steals/blocks for a less than middling Cavs D to this point? Yeah, not a great sell either. I'm far from a 'Bron hater, but his performances are being grossly overstated right now.

You guys are talking about a guy who isn't top 5 in WS/48/PER/VORP/RPM etc etc (stats he has consistently always owned through his prime) like he's a savant this season. And he's certainly not carrying his team this season to any degree close to some of his years past. It's just not an MVP performance and/or narrative.

The cavs defense is 6th in the league when LeBron is on the court....

That is not how it works. You can't nitpick stats and compare them to different numbers (in this case him and the starters compared to all other teams starters and benches). I don't know why you guys are working so hard to handicap for the best player in the game, but it's growing tired.

I'm already seeing false narratives here saying that I do not think he's the Cavs best player in general, which really? You know the argument is not as strong in your favor as you think when people just start making stuff up about what was stated and/or twisting numbers in a players favor.

mademan · Post #562 » by **mademan** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:08 pm

inquisitive wrote:50 wins should do it for westb, harden, or davis. not going to be easy. i have a feeling sports writers from the west coast will be the only ones voting for either kd or curry. i get a sense that the others won't vote for them since the warriors were already the best team from last season. also, curry or kd will get their votes split .

50 wins and a 4th seed isnt going to win MVP.

Yank3525 · Post #563 » by **Yank3525** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:31 pm

Durant is the MVP IMO. Best record in the league and better overall numbers then Lebron or CP3. If he keeps this up, it will be hard to deny him the reward even with Steph also playing at a high level.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #564 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:05 pm

Yank3525 wrote:Durant is the MVP IMO. Best record in the league and better overall numbers then Lebron or CP3. If he keeps this up, it will be hard to deny him the reward even with Steph also playing at a high level.

I'd ask Warrior fans - is Durant really more important than Curry? Curry seems to be the guy who sets the table and makes them dynamic with his incredible range and ball handling.

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te887848 · Post #565 » by **te887848** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:51 pm

Doesn't matter who's more important. Durant is currently the most statistically dominant player in basketball and also leading the best team in basketball. Under no scenario/criteria does a player with the best stats + best record not win the MVP. It's never happened in the past too.

It's happened in the past where the best player or best stats player didn't win it. Or the best player on the best team didn't win it (lost out to a better stats player). But the best player/best stats player PLUS on the best team? Never happened.

Sorry, you can cry all you want about the Warriors unbeatable dynasty and remain bitter over Durant's decision, but any objective measure of the award currently has Durant at #1.

StepBackCrack · Post #566 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:18 pm

Yeah, KD has a great case for MVP so far. You can hate him if you want but that doesn't make him less great of a player. He is playing better than ever this season and that can't be denied. He is playing elite D on regular basis now and is unlocking his full potential on that end but his insane offensive greatness is overshadowing that so most people still won't give his improved D the credit it deserves. He has been a monster on both ends this season. Also the great thing about him this season is how he managed to put his best production ever without affecting any star on the team negatively and with having his lowest USG% in his career. He is getting his teammates involved as much as possible. Steph, Klay and Dray can still be awesome whenever they want and Durant is doing a perfect job in making their life easier on court so far. His passing has been pretty good to say the least. His TO went down. His BB IQ is also something that never gets talked about but this season he is making the right plays almost everytime.

I think at the very least he deserves consideration for MVP this season. I also would be happy for Paul or Harden if they get the award. They have been beyond amazing so far. KD, Harden and Paul are in my top 3 in this season so far. I would like to see one of them win the award.

Bergmaniac · Post #567 » by **Bergmaniac** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:23 pm

te887848 wrote:Doesn't matter who's more important. Durant is currently the most statistically dominant player in basketball

Is he? a lot of players are putting insane numbers this season. Frankly, I'd pick Harden as the mos dominant statistically right now, his assists numbers are off the chart and he's leading a pretty average supporting cast to a 117 ORTG when he's on the court, plus he's still scoring very efficiently on high volume and has almost 8 RPG. Durant's TS% is incredible, but overall I'd give Harden the edge if we are talking about stats only.

StepBackCrack · Post #568 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:34 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
te887848 wrote:Doesn't matter who's more important. Durant is currently the most statistically dominant player in basketball

Is he? a lot of players are putting insane numbers this season. Frankly, I'd pick Harden as the mos dominant statistically right now, his assists numbers are off the chart and he's leading a pretty average supporting cast to a 117 ORTG when he's on the court, plus he's still scoring very efficiently on high volume and has almost 8 RPG. Durant's TS% is incredible, but overall I'd give Harden the edge if we are talking about stats only.

Harden has a great case for MVP this season. No doubt about that.

mademan · Post #569 » by **mademan** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:50 pm

Durant may have the best stats on the best team, but he's still gonna be running against the (likely) narrative of GSW becoming worse with his addition

Ballerhogger · Post #570 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:52 pm

If KD regular season stats are clearly the best in league he will win it. Lebron got the same treatment.

StepBackCrack · Post #571 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:02 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:If KD regular season stats are clearly the best in league he will win it. Lebron got the same treatment.

He should win in that case but don't forget that LBJ didn't get it immediately after he joined the Heat. They gave it to Rose which was an awful decision since he was nowhere near the best in the league. Thankfully there is no Rose situation this season. Harden and Paul are much better than Rose for example and they would be deserving MVPs. I think there is too much narrative against Durant to win it this season. However, next season if he stays healthy, his chances will be higher to win MVP probably (especially if GSW win the title this season and he wins FMVP).

Nucky Thompson · Post #572 » by **Nucky Thompson** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:52 pm

The Warriors on on pace for a worse record than last year, yet Kevin Durant is the MVP, yeah that makes sense.

inquisitive · Post #573 » by **inquisitive** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:03 pm

mademan wrote:
inquisitive wrote:50 wins should do it for westb, harden, or davis. not going to be easy. i have a feeling sports writers from the west coast will be the only ones voting for either kd or curry. i get a sense that the others won't vote for them since the warriors were already the best team from last season. also, curry or kd will get their votes split .

50 wins and a 4th seed isnt going to win MVP.

i like his chances if he can get 50 wins, top 3 in scoring, leader in assists regardless of seeding....has to have all 3 though which is going to be tough.

The High Cyde · Post #574 » by **The High Cyde** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:19 pm

I wouldn't give the MVP to a player who chose to have no resistance for the rest of his career. The team without him set a record for most wins ever ffs so how valuable can he be? Just cause his TS % is over 9000 doesn't mean he's the most valuable player. What a joke.

Zombiesonics · Post #575 » by **Zombiesonics** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:30 pm

CP3
Harden
Westbrook

in that order @ thanksgiving. couldnt care less if rwb averages a trip dub.

Yank3525 · Post #576 » by **Yank3525** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:40 pm

KD_Steph wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:If KD regular season stats are clearly the best in league he will win it. Lebron got the same treatment.

He should win in that case but don't forget that LBJ didn't get it immediately after he joined the Heat. They gave it to Rose which was an awful decision since he was nowhere near the best in the league. Thankfully there is no Rose situation this season. Harden and Paul are much better than Rose for example and they would be deserving MVPs. I think there is too much narrative against Durant to win it this season. However, next season if he stays healthy, his chances will be higher to win MVP probably (especially if GSW win the title this season and he wins FMVP).

Lebron didn't win because of the Heat's record. If they had finished first instead of second, I highly doubt Rose would have won the award. Remember, many people prior to the season had Lebron winning the MVP.

ThePersianFreak · Post #577 » by **ThePersianFreak** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:00 pm

Read on Twitter

These are the kind of guys who get to vote. They know LeBron is the best player in the game and the fact that even a coasting (sorta) LeBron is putting up 24/9/9 on 59% TS% will be enough for the them to vote for him.

te887848 · Post #578 » by **te887848** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:16 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
te887848 wrote:Doesn't matter who's more important. Durant is currently the most statistically dominant player in basketball

Is he? a lot of players are putting insane numbers this season. Frankly, I'd pick Harden as the mos dominant statistically right now, his assists numbers are off the chart and he's leading a pretty average supporting cast to a 117 ORTG when he's on the court, plus he's still scoring very efficiently on high volume and has almost 8 RPG. Durant's TS% is incredible, but overall I'd give Harden the edge if we are talking about stats only.

Yeah he is, and Harden would be in the top 3 but his team is going to suck and won't sniff Golden State. Statistically Harden absolutely is an MVP level player but the Rockets are a 4-6 seed and low 50 win team at best.

Durant is going to be a top 1-3 stats player plus anchoring a 68-73 win runaway freight train of a team. Can't beat that. Durant is MVP.

parapooper · Post #579 » by **parapooper** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:00 pm

te887848 wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:
te887848 wrote:Doesn't matter who's more important. Durant is currently the most statistically dominant player in basketball

Is he? a lot of players are putting insane numbers this season. Frankly, I'd pick Harden as the mos dominant statistically right now, his assists numbers are off the chart and he's leading a pretty average supporting cast to a 117 ORTG when he's on the court, plus he's still scoring very efficiently on high volume and has almost 8 RPG. Durant's TS% is incredible, but overall I'd give Harden the edge if we are talking about stats only.

Yeah he is, and Harden would be in the top 3 but his team is going to suck and won't sniff Golden State. Statistically Harden absolutely is an MVP level player but the Rockets are a 4-6 seed and low 50 win team at best.

Durant is going to be a top 1-3 stats player plus anchoring a 68-73 win runaway freight train of a team. Can't beat that. Durant is MVP.

Yes, how could you not give the MVP to a guy turning a 73-win team into a 68-win team

te887848 · Post #580 » by **te887848** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:13 pm

parapooper wrote:
te887848 wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:Is he? a lot of players are putting insane numbers this season. Frankly, I'd pick Harden as the mos dominant statistically right now, his assists numbers are off the chart and he's leading a pretty average supporting cast to a 117 ORTG when he's on the court, plus he's still scoring very efficiently on high volume and has almost 8 RPG. Durant's TS% is incredible, but overall I'd give Harden the edge if we are talking about stats only.

Yeah he is, and Harden would be in the top 3 but his team is going to suck and won't sniff Golden State. Statistically Harden absolutely is an MVP level player but the Rockets are a 4-6 seed and low 50 win team at best.

Durant is going to be a top 1-3 stats player plus anchoring a 68-73 win runaway freight train of a team. Can't beat that. Durant is MVP.

Yes, how could you not give the MVP to a guy turning a 73-win team into a 68-win team

Yes, let's give it to players on lower than 4th seed 1st round exits instead! Because that's how it's always been done in the past! :crazy:

We've never, ever seen it go to the player with the best stats on the best team........ :rofl: