2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

[buzzkilloton]

So quiet in here. Wheres the army of posters spamming Cade hate every chance they could predraft?

[MotownMadness]

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[jimross]

Not breaking any news here but the two best rookies I’ve seen this season are Barnes and Mobley and the gap between them and the rest has been significant. Those two are SUPER freaks with Mobley having top five player in the league potential and Barnes having perennial allstar upside if the offense comes.

Barnes has top 5 upside has well imo. He has the potential to be a better play making Kawhi. That would arguably be the best player in the league.

Mobley is a monster as well, I'm pretty confident both players end up at least as top 10 in the league.

Crazy class overall.

[TheNewEra]

Watching Brandon Boston and Keon Johnson in the g league game against the Ignite. Good performance so far

[CptCrunch]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

[aad]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

You must be a green fan

[mediocrityrules]

Barnes with
21 points
7 rebounds
4 assists

Not even being bias (I've made this claim even before Raps drafted Barnes) I feel he has the highest potential in this draft class. These type of games don't even seem special anymore for him... just the normal and we expect it.

I mean I'd argue the the kid has hit a rookie wall, but the last 3 games he's averaging 14/8/4/2/1... for a guy who just hit 20 in August, that's scary.

Barnes is scoring at a very efficient rate (for a rookie) and seemingly able to get it done over most defenders. When he improves his range shooting (his mid-range has already improved leaps and bounds since college ) and then has the confidence / backing of his team to simply go out and run the team and dominate possessions, he will be REALLY special and on par with any ceiling Cade or Green have IMO.

Mobley is just on a level by himself in this class however. Truly impacts winning like a young Tim Duncan.

Giddey is a nice player but he can't guard any position on the court which is a huge problem when you need to hide some 6'8-9 pg somewhere on defence. Still love his game overall. Franz Wagner and Donovan Mitchell looking like great role players.

Overall a great draft.

I'm happy to cut Giddey some slack at this stage. He turned 19 about a week before the season started. He's got a lot of upside as he matures into an NBA player. His raw skill is apparent.

[God Squad]

Barnes with
21 points (7/11 from the field)
7 rebounds
4 assists

Not even being bias (I've made this claim even before Raps drafted Barnes) I feel he has the highest potential in this draft class. These type of games don't even seem special anymore for him... just the normal and we expect it.

I mean I'd argue the the kid has hit a rookie wall, but the last 3 games he's averaging 14/8/4/2/1... for a guy who just hit 20 in August, that's scary. In my eyes he's the best player on the Raptors.

Isn't it an amazing feeling?

[God Squad]

All of the top 6 picks were in action tonight

Cade: 20pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 4 turnovers, 8/18 FG (4/8 from 3)

Jalen Green: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 turnovers, 8/20 FG (3/11 from 3)

Mobley: 19 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 7/15 FG (1/3 from 3)

Scottie: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 turnovers, 7/11 FG

Jalen Suggs: 7 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 turnovers, 2/8 FG (0/4 from 3)

Giddey: 7 points, 12 rebounds, 9 assists, 1 steal, 5 turnovers, 3/10 FG (1/3 from 3)

On god if Suggs doesn't have a breakout game soon I'm gonna seriously reevaluate my ceiling/expectations for him.

[God Squad]

So quiet in here. Wheres the army of posters spamming Cade hate every chance they could predraft?

I didn't watch the game. Looking at box scores I wouldn't really say Cade or Green shot particularly well. Cade also had more turnovers than assists. I'm not part of the Cade army of hate, just playing devils advocate.

[MrBigShot]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

You might be right about him not being a point guard long-term, and that A/T turnover needs to improve, but in all fairness I do want to mention that we are dead last in FG% and 3pt% at 39% and 28% respectively. A lot of the time Cade sets someone up for a bucket, they just downright miss.

[CptCrunch]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

You might be right about him not being a point guard long-term, and that A/T turnover needs to improve, but in all fairness I do want to mention that we are dead last in FG% and 3pt% at 39% and 28% respectively. A lot of the time Cade sets someone up for a bucket, they just downright miss.

How long does Cade get to use that excuse? 30 games? It's the same one used for his OK State team to explain his college issues with assist to turnover.

And how come Killian can at least attain a positive assist to turnover ratio (1.6 both seasons, quite mediocre for a NBA PG since even turnover prone guards like Westbrook hits 2.5)

[Bruin]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

You might be right about him not being a point guard long-term, and that A/T turnover needs to improve, but in all fairness I do want to mention that we are dead last in FG% and 3pt% at 39% and 28% respectively. A lot of the time Cade sets someone up for a bucket, they just downright miss.

That’s the situation for a lot of rookies though. Giddey, Barnes, Suggs all would have more assists if their teammates weren’t bricking shots left and right

[God Squad]

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

You might be right about him not being a point guard long-term, and that A/T turnover needs to improve, but in all fairness I do want to mention that we are dead last in FG% and 3pt% at 39% and 28% respectively. A lot of the time Cade sets someone up for a bucket, they just downright miss.

How long does Cade get to use that excuse? 30 games? It's the same one used for his OK State team to explain his college issues with assist to turnover.

And how come Killian can at least attain a positive assist to turnover ratio (1.6 both seasons, quite mediocre for a NBA PG since even turnover prone guards like Westbrook hits 2.5)

Damn son lol, and I think Killian a bust lol. I'll be paying more attention to Cade passing from now on.

[The Moose]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

what do you consider 'busting'

his shooting is already returning, he's 7/15 from 3pt in his last two games

[LoveMyRaps]

Top 4 balled out tonight.

Great performances all around. League is in great hands!

[Fat]

Barnes with
21 points
7 rebounds
4 assists

Not even being bias (I've made this claim even before Raps drafted Barnes) I feel he has the highest potential in this draft class. These type of games don't even seem special anymore for him... just the normal and we expect it.

I mean I'd argue the the kid has hit a rookie wall, but the last 3 games he's averaging 14/8/4/2/1... for a guy who just hit 20 in August, that's scary.

Barnes is scoring at a very efficient rate (for a rookie) and seemingly able to get it done over most defenders. When he improves his range shooting (his mid-range has already improved leaps and bounds since college ) and then has the confidence / backing of his team to simply go out and run the team and dominate possessions, he will be REALLY special and on par with any ceiling Cade or Green have IMO.

Mobley is just on a level by himself in this class however. Truly impacts winning like a young Tim Duncan.

Giddey is a nice player but he can't guard any position on the court which is a huge problem when you need to hide some 6'8-9 pg somewhere on defence. Still love his game overall. Franz Wagner and Donovan Mitchell looking like great role players.

Overall a great draft.

I'm happy to cut Giddey some slack at this stage. He turned 19 about a week before the season started. He's got a lot of upside as he matures into an NBA player. His raw skill is apparent.

Nobody even expected Giddey to go as early as 6th pick for the most part. he’s playing above expectation IMO I expected him to be way more raw than what he’s shown.

If he develops an efficient jumper watch out

[buzzkilloton]

So quiet in here. Wheres the army of posters spamming Cade hate every chance they could predraft?

I didn't watch the game. Looking at box scores I wouldn't really say Cade or Green shot particularly well. Cade also had more turnovers than assists. I'm not part of the Cade army of hate, just playing devils advocate.

Cade played better then Green for sure. Cades getting back from a injury hes been getting more comfortable every game. No question in my mind he was the right choice for us of the two at pick 1.

Now of course Mobley and Barnes look like the real gems of the lotto right now. Thats ok though Pistons have Cade and I'm happy with it.

[buzzkilloton]

finally cade is not a bust anymore against green.

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

what do you consider 'busting'

his shooting is already returning, he's 7/15 from 3pt in his last two games

Let them grasp at straws while they still can. Its obv Cades going to be a stud.

[bkseven]

No indication that he isn't on his way to busting. Still hasn't played one good game of point guard.

Assists/Turnovers
3/4
2/6
4/3
3/2
2/2
Overall
14/17 for 0.82 ATO

As I have said before, his shooting will return. But without PG skills, he is just a minus athlete shooting guard drafted at #1.

You might be right about him not being a point guard long-term, and that A/T turnover needs to improve, but in all fairness I do want to mention that we are dead last in FG% and 3pt% at 39% and 28% respectively. A lot of the time Cade sets someone up for a bucket, they just downright miss.

How long does Cade get to use that excuse? 30 games? It's the same one used for his OK State team to explain his college issues with assist to turnover.

And how come Killian can at least attain a positive assist to turnover ratio (1.6 both seasons, quite mediocre for a NBA PG since even turnover prone guards like Westbrook hits 2.5)

Obsessed.. my god u again again again