This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[AmIWrongDude]

Who is ignoring all context? Do any of you remember the Cavaliers being the overwhelming favorites to make it out of the East at the start of the season? So why is beating the mighty Pacers or the Celtics headed by the duo of 20 year olds Jayson and Jaylen so impressive?

LeBron was as close to flawless as a player can be in 2018. Basketball is a team sport. They went 7 games with the Pacers and Celtics because the teams were evenly matched. LeBron needed to be GOAT-level to win those series and he was.

Are you being dense on purpose? You hate LeBron and that’s fine but you’re going out of your way to ignore common sense and idk why.

I don't hate LeBron, I'm just mystified how inflated his reputation is. I don't understand how a player who was supposed to win gets so much praise for doing what he was expected to do. The 2018 Eastern Conference was not some incredible gauntlet that should frighten little children.

Sounds like a you problem man. Every all time great is expected to win - and guess what most of the time they don’t. LeBron winning when he’s “expected to” sounds like some weird self defense mechanism you use so you never have to give him credit.

Nobody said 2018 Eastern Conference was stacked but the Cavs were very very very far from being stacked themselves. LeBron had to go GOAT mode to win those series. If he was just average they would’ve lost.

Steph shoulda took some notes. He was just ok against the Warriors. If he went ham the Warriors could’ve easily won the series but he didn’t.

[WarriorGM]

Steph has won numerous times when people were saying he wouldn't. He has also been more dominant than many would care to admit. Curry doesn't really need to take notes from LeBron unless it's about how to switch teams and how to leverage your sponsors and agents to increase league clout.

[AmIWrongDude]

Steph has won numerous times when people were saying he wouldn't. He has also been more dominant than many would care to admit. Curry doesn't really need to take notes from LeBron unless it's about how to switch teams and how to leverage your sponsors and agents to increase league clout.

Whatever you say man. You’re kinda just making stuff up at this point.

Idk why you’re talking as if Bron and Steph are on the same level. Steph is amazing but LeBron is GOAT-tier (top 3 at worst) and Steph is a couple tiers below.

[kayess]

Steph has won numerous times when people were saying he wouldn't. He has also been more dominant than many would care to admit. Curry doesn't really need to take notes from LeBron unless it's about how to switch teams and how to leverage your sponsors and agents to increase league clout.

Lmao are you delusional?

They were supposed to win EVERY YEAR with KD and they didn't! They were supposed to win in 2016 and got beat down 3-1, and you accuse LeBron of not winning enough when he was expected to win???

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STEPHEWS ARE SOMETHING ELSE

[WarriorGM]

Steph has won numerous times when people were saying he wouldn't. He has also been more dominant than many would care to admit. Curry doesn't really need to take notes from LeBron unless it's about how to switch teams and how to leverage your sponsors and agents to increase league clout.

Whatever you say man. You’re kinda just making stuff up at this point.

Idk why you’re talking as if Bron and Steph are on the same level. Steph is amazing but LeBron is GOAT-tier (top 3 at worst) and Steph is a couple tiers below.

That's what I keep hearing but not what I keep seeing.

[Dupp]

This loss has hit some harder than others

[nbhadja]

Steph has won numerous times when people were saying he wouldn't. He has also been more dominant than many would care to admit. Curry doesn't really need to take notes from LeBron unless it's about how to switch teams and how to leverage your sponsors and agents to increase league clout.

Whatever you say man. You’re kinda just making stuff up at this point.

Idk why you’re talking as if Bron and Steph are on the same level. Steph is amazing but LeBron is GOAT-tier (top 3 at worst) and Steph is a couple tiers below.

That's what I keep hearing but not what I keep seeing.

Every other fan base in the nba sees it. Only warriors fans are blind to it , but that's what being a fan is.

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[WarriorGM]

Whatever you say man. You’re kinda just making stuff up at this point.

Idk why you’re talking as if Bron and Steph are on the same level. Steph is amazing but LeBron is GOAT-tier (top 3 at worst) and Steph is a couple tiers below.

That's what I keep hearing but not what I keep seeing.

Every other fan base in the nba sees it. Only warriors fans are blind to it , but that's what being a fan is.

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What makes you think I have reason to be a Warriors fan? I am actually coming from a neutral point of view. I arrived at my conclusions based on objective evidence.

From what I can tell all the talk out there about LeBron being a top 3 player all-time is rather baseless.

[eminence]

LeBron is the GOAT. (It's fine if you're a Russell guy, his argument is pretty much unassailable, but also completely different than LeBrons).

With that out of the way, I'd say the 'era' is pretty bipolar - with both LeBron and the Warriors (centered around Steph) being fully necessary to tell the story of the era.

More similar to the 80s with Lakers/Celtics and Magic/Bird than the 90s being defined by the Bulls.

[Kilmonger]

That's what I keep hearing but not what I keep seeing.

Every other fan base in the nba sees it. Only warriors fans are blind to it , but that's what being a fan is.

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What makes you think I have reason to be a Warriors fan? I am actually coming from a neutral point of view. I arrived at my conclusions based on objective evidence.

From what I can tell all the talk out there about LeBron being a top 3 player all-time is rather baseless.

Guy named 'WarriorGM' is riding HARD for Steph and trying to diminish Lebron at every turn. I wonder why anyone would think he's a Warriors fan. Hmmm....

[OhayoKD]

LeBron is the GOAT. (It's fine if you're a Russell guy, his argument is pretty much unassailable, but also completely different than LeBrons).

With that out of the way, I'd say the 'era' is pretty bipolar - with both LeBron and the Warriors (centered around Steph) being fully necessary to tell the story of the era.

More similar to the 80s with Lakers/Celtics and Magic/Bird than the 90s being defined by the Bulls.

A hypothetical analog would be Hakeem and Houston running into Chicago over and over. Shame it never happened

[NbaAllDay]

LeBron was as close to flawless as a player can be in 2018. Basketball is a team sport. They went 7 games with the Pacers and Celtics because the teams were evenly matched. LeBron needed to be GOAT-level to win those series and he was.

Are you being dense on purpose? You hate LeBron and that’s fine but you’re going out of your way to ignore common sense and idk why.

I don't hate LeBron, I'm just mystified how inflated his reputation is. I don't understand how a player who was supposed to win gets so much praise for doing what he was expected to do. The 2018 Eastern Conference was not some incredible gauntlet that should frighten little children.

Sounds like a you problem man. Every all time great is expected to win - and guess what most of the time they don’t. LeBron winning when he’s “expected to” sounds like some weird self defense mechanism you use so you never have to give him credit.

Nobody said 2018 Eastern Conference was stacked but the Cavs were very very very far from being stacked themselves. LeBron had to go GOAT mode to win those series. If he was just average they would’ve lost.

Steph shoulda took some notes. He was just ok against the Warriors. If he went ham the Warriors could’ve easily won the series but he didn’t.

I get the idea that people want to prop up 'their guy' - I just wish there was a level of transparency in the way people do it.

Issue with the arguement based on pre-season odds (which are a horrible way of evaluating how a team will actually perform btw)
Is that people will happily disregard when Lebron Overperforms based on pre-season odds, yet use it as a source of "gotchya" if he underperforms.

Pre season odds for this season.
- Lakers +1400 (equal 6th).
- GSW +600 (1st)

So by this very example - Steph underperformed badly and Lebron actually outperformed expectations this year.

[TheAlchemist]

Nah man.

I was a hater of Lebron for a while. Lebronto was a serious thing lol.

But just the amount of finals appearances, sheer number of wins, and now points total and longevity.

I mean it’s Lebrons generation from 2000-2010, and 2010-2016ish.

Steph still needed Durant for a lot. Lebron had a busted Wade + Bosh. Don’t get me started on all those cavs teams with boobie Gibson.

[Zvaart]

Every other fan base in the nba sees it. Only warriors fans are blind to it , but that's what being a fan is.

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What makes you think I have reason to be a Warriors fan? I am actually coming from a neutral point of view. I arrived at my conclusions based on objective evidence.

From what I can tell all the talk out there about LeBron being a top 3 player all-time is rather baseless.

Guy named 'WarriorGM' is riding HARD for Steph and trying to diminish Lebron at every turn. I wonder why anyone would think he's a Warriors fan. Hmmm....

He's one of the worst posters on GSW forum as well, don't mind him. Steph stan, the worst kind

[WarriorGM]

What makes you think I have reason to be a Warriors fan? I am actually coming from a neutral point of view. I arrived at my conclusions based on objective evidence.

From what I can tell all the talk out there about LeBron being a top 3 player all-time is rather baseless.

Guy named 'WarriorGM' is riding HARD for Steph and trying to diminish Lebron at every turn. I wonder why anyone would think he's a Warriors fan. Hmmm....

He's one of the worst posters on GSW forum as well, don't mind him. Steph stan, the worst kind

Oh what do you know one of those resentful Warriors fans that are still sore at me for having more faith in their team last year than they themselves did. I can see why you think me as one of the worst kind—the ones who are right most of the time. But don't mind me.

[LAvision]

This loss has hit some harder than others

2 weeks ago they were so desperate to have curry top 5 and make it his gen. And it call came crashing down, like comes at you fast.

[durden_tyler]

LeBron is the GOAT. (It's fine if you're a Russell guy, his argument is pretty much unassailable, but also completely different than LeBrons).

With that out of the way, I'd say the 'era' is pretty bipolar - with both LeBron and the Warriors (centered around Steph) being fully necessary to tell the story of the era.

More similar to the 80s with Lakers/Celtics and Magic/Bird than the 90s being defined by the Bulls.

LeBron is NOT the GOAT. The fact that "owning" an era is up for debate, he just has not dominated much in his time in the league. It's a long competitive ride, but not like Jordan's domination in his time.

[eminence]

LeBron is the GOAT. (It's fine if you're a Russell guy, his argument is pretty much unassailable, but also completely different than LeBrons).

With that out of the way, I'd say the 'era' is pretty bipolar - with both LeBron and the Warriors (centered around Steph) being fully necessary to tell the story of the era.

More similar to the 80s with Lakers/Celtics and Magic/Bird than the 90s being defined by the Bulls.

LeBron is NOT the GOAT. The fact that "owning" an era is up for debate, he just has not dominated much in his time in the league. It's a long competitive ride, but not like Jordan's domination in his time.

If that's the route you prefer Russell should really be your choice, not MJ.

[Zvaart]

Guy named 'WarriorGM' is riding HARD for Steph and trying to diminish Lebron at every turn. I wonder why anyone would think he's a Warriors fan. Hmmm....

He's one of the worst posters on GSW forum as well, don't mind him. Steph stan, the worst kind

Oh what do you know one of those resentful Warriors fans that are still sore at me for having more faith in their team last year than they themselves did. I can see why you think me as one of the worst kind—the ones who are right most of the time. But don't mind me.

You are confusing me with one of the members of the Mourning Choire.

I had faith last year, i even had faith this year. Till Wiggs got hurt in Game 5. At that moment i thought we might lose.

[PedroFlu]

LeBron is the GOAT. (It's fine if you're a Russell guy, his argument is pretty much unassailable, but also completely different than LeBrons).

With that out of the way, I'd say the 'era' is pretty bipolar - with both LeBron and the Warriors (centered around Steph) being fully necessary to tell the story of the era.

More similar to the 80s with Lakers/Celtics and Magic/Bird than the 90s being defined by the Bulls.

LeBron is NOT the GOAT. The fact that "owning" an era is up for debate, he just has not dominated much in his time in the league. It's a long competitive ride, but not like Jordan's domination in his time.

This is due not only to Jordan heroics, but to the level of competition. If you list the players and teams LeBron had to go through his 20yr span its crazy. There's a lot more talent and better teams in the League now - it's not comparable. It's an international League now - actually, in good part, because of Jordan's popularity.

But no one will dominate championships like Jordan did. No one. And it's not because there won't be another Jordan (that's true too), but because there are simply too many great players and teams now.

People have trouble ranking Russell due to a much shorter span of competitors back then - there's a huge, huge differece also from the 90s to the 2010s and till now.