[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Karmaloop]

Indy fans: Would the Pacers be willing to do something like this

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2xrqru3d

Pacers get off an extra year of Hield, get Seth's bird rights, take a chance on THT who has a team option on that last year anyway (effectively expiring), and get another shooter in Harris. Maybe get some light draft compensation/cash compensation from LA as well.

Nets get off both Curry's and Harris' salaries and turn the page on the Kyrie era. They take FRP(s) back from LAL and buy out Westbrook, shedding 17m in total salary and clearing their books.

Lakers start the Kyrie experiment and get coveted, potentially negative player Hield back. His contract probably makes the team balk, but it was frontloaded and they theoretically get a starting SG, at least for the regular season.

Not without a LOT of incentive going to Indiana. I could see them swapping Hield for Harris with small incentive, but they're taking on THT for Seth Curry? Just doesn't really make sense to me.

[Karmaloop]

Unless they believe they can trade Westbrook elsewhere for menaingful assets(news flash,not going to happen), assuming they are actual discussions between Nets and Lakers about a Westbrook/Kyrie Irving trade and it's not just more media hype, they should just take Kyrie and Harris in exchange for Westbrook and a unprotected 2027 1st round pick and be happy. The way the team is right now,this a 28 to maybe a 35 win team. With Kyrie and a healthy Joe Harris,they would be a good playoff team(assuming none of the "big 3" misses most of the season due to injury)and there's a chance solid players would be willing to take a vet min deal to improve the team chances.

The Lakers are a 28-35 win team?

[hoosierdaddy34]

Yeah, we don't think city warmth, proximity to oceans, and preferential treatment should dictate the success of a basketball team.

Yeah because the Clippers have been so successful at winning titles with those advantages.

Been 8 years since being bought from an idiot, so no historical name recognition yet.

Still, marquee free agents flocked there. If they weren't injured, they'd have a title by now.

Oh wait but I thought it was only because of city warmth, proximity to oceans, and whatever preferential treatment means?

So we are now adding historical name recognition. I wonder how a team builds up historical name recognition?

[Jedi32]

Unless they believe they can trade Westbrook elsewhere for menaingful assets(news flash,not going to happen), assuming they are actual discussions between Nets and Lakers about a Westbrook/Kyrie Irving trade and it's not just more media hype, they should just take Kyrie and Harris in exchange for Westbrook and a unprotected 2027 1st round pick and be happy. The way the team is right now,this a 28 to maybe a 35 win team. With Kyrie and a healthy Joe Harris,they would be a good playoff team(assuming none of the "big 3" misses most of the season due to injury)and there's a chance solid players would be willing to take a vet min deal to improve the team chances.

The Lakers are a 28-35 win team?

don't waste your time, it's not worth it.

[levon]

Indy fans: Would the Pacers be willing to do something like this

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2xrqru3d

Pacers get off an extra year of Hield, get Seth's bird rights, take a chance on THT who has a team option on that last year anyway (effectively expiring), and get another shooter in Harris. Maybe get some light draft compensation/cash compensation from LA as well.

Nets get off both Curry's and Harris' salaries and turn the page on the Kyrie era. They take FRP(s) back from LAL and buy out Westbrook, shedding 17m in total salary and clearing their books.

Lakers start the Kyrie experiment and get coveted, potentially negative player Hield back. His contract probably makes the team balk, but it was frontloaded and they theoretically get a starting SG, at least for the regular season.

Not without a LOT of incentive going to Indiana. I could see them swapping Hield for Harris with small incentive, but they're taking on THT for Seth Curry? Just doesn't really make sense to me.

I don't think THT is a lost cause and there's chatter of league execs thinking the same, attributing his stagnation to poor fit and Covid. He's just not worth 10m at the moment, but he's also 21 years old. And Seth Curry's a positive. Harris I think is actually a good long-term fit for them, but in any case it helps them get off the Buddy deal a year earlier. You could further incentivize them with cash and second rounders if need be.

I think the real winner in the trade is actually Brooklyn by far. Lakers take on some risk and inflexibility with 3 years of Buddy, whereas a straight Westbrook + picks swap is much lower risk. But BKN gets everything: significant cap slashing, picks, and no more Kyrie.

[jpengland]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

Miami would be my guess. Lowry plus something plus some draft incentive. Get Irving in a contract year and bird rights.

[levon]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

Miami would be my guess. Lowry plus something plus some draft incentive. Get Irving in a contract year and bird rights.

Why wouldn't they just trade for him now? What's the difference?

[Karmaloop]

I don't think THT is a lost cause and there's chatter of league execs thinking the same, attributing his stagnation to poor fit and Covid. He's just not worth 10m at the moment, but he's also 21 years old. And Seth Curry's a positive. Harris I think is actually a good long-term fit for them, but in any case it helps them get off the Buddy deal a year earlier. You could further incentivize them with cash and second rounders if need be.

I think the real winner in the trade is actually Brooklyn by far. Lakers take on some risk and inflexibility with 3 years of Buddy, whereas a straight Westbrook + picks swap is much lower risk. But BKN gets everything: significant cap slashing, picks, and no more Kyrie.

Indiana is sending out $22.8M and taking back $37.4M, so they're renting out their cap space. I would assume one FRP would go to Indiana and one would go to Brooklyn from the Lakers.

[Castle Black]

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[nbafan38]

I see how getting this deal finished fast benefits the lakers. I still don't see how it benefits the nets other than saving about 10 million if lakers take Harris. Worst case scenario is if Kyrie doesn't play at all and they haven't found a better deal they can always still trade him midseason. Best case scenario is you get him to play because it's a contract year.

It won't be a good look to the nets fanbase if ownership throws a way a chance to remain competitive over 10 million dollars or so although not saying its impossible.

Who is going to trade for Kyrie Irving midseason? It keeps getting brought up, but without any teams being suggested.

Miami would be my guess. Lowry plus something plus some draft incentive. Get Irving in a contract year and bird rights.

Unless the nets are somehow keeping Durant it probably makes more sense to take Westbrook and have his contract expire than take Lowry on a non contender.

[levon]

I don't think THT is a lost cause and there's chatter of league execs thinking the same, attributing his stagnation to poor fit and Covid. He's just not worth 10m at the moment, but he's also 21 years old. And Seth Curry's a positive. Harris I think is actually a good long-term fit for them, but in any case it helps them get off the Buddy deal a year earlier. You could further incentivize them with cash and second rounders if need be.

I think the real winner in the trade is actually Brooklyn by far. Lakers take on some risk and inflexibility with 3 years of Buddy, whereas a straight Westbrook + picks swap is much lower risk. But BKN gets everything: significant cap slashing, picks, and no more Kyrie.

Indiana is sending out $22.8M and taking back $37.4M, so they're renting out their cap space. I would assume one FRP would go to Indiana and one would go to Brooklyn from the Lakers.

They're taking a breadth of cap space in the next few seasons to get rid of the depth of space taken by Hield. Also, Curry's actually a good player and an expiring. But yeah, if they really want to use their cap this year for another move (Ayton?), this is probably a non-starter.

[Freighttrain]

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This Shams story about Indy & the Mavs having an interest in Kyrie looks like a planted story from the Nets side, trying to acquire more assets in a potential Laker deal. It makes no sense for the Mavs to mess with their roster and bring a headcase in Irving. It also would hinder Luka's progress and Cuban isn't a fool to do so. As to Indy, what would a middle-of-a-pack franchise do with a disgruntled star in Irving? He's already said he wanted to go to the Lakers so I fail to see why they want Irving, knowing his history. Kinda looks like the Nets are crumbling down.

[Karmaloop]

They're taking a breadth of cap space in the next few seasons to get rid of the depth of space taken by Hield. Also, Curry's actually a good player and an expiring. But yeah, if they really want to use their cap this year for another move (Ayton?), this is probably a non-starter.

Hield for Harris probably a wash in terms of trade value assuming Harris is healthy. Hield is the better player, but Harris is a bit cheaper. I think Curry's value is roughly a heavily protected FRP, and I'd argue that washes out THT's slightly negative value. So they're giving up cap space, so I think they'd probably need a FRP added.

[Jedi32]

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kd is great but i think the nets may be in for a rude awakening as far as his value. i don't think it's as high as they think. he is 34 and owed 200 million dollars. everyone is not as dedicated and therefore won't age like lebron. kd didn't look that great against the celtics this year. this could be the beginning of the cliff for him.

[ConSarnit]

I don't think THT is a lost cause and there's chatter of league execs thinking the same, attributing his stagnation to poor fit and Covid. He's just not worth 10m at the moment, but he's also 21 years old. And Seth Curry's a positive. Harris I think is actually a good long-term fit for them, but in any case it helps them get off the Buddy deal a year earlier. You could further incentivize them with cash and second rounders if need be.

I think the real winner in the trade is actually Brooklyn by far. Lakers take on some risk and inflexibility with 3 years of Buddy, whereas a straight Westbrook + picks swap is much lower risk. But BKN gets everything: significant cap slashing, picks, and no more Kyrie.

Indiana is sending out $22.8M and taking back $37.4M, so they're renting out their cap space. I would assume one FRP would go to Indiana and one would go to Brooklyn from the Lakers.

They're taking a breadth of cap space in the next few seasons to get rid of the depth of space taken by Hield. Also, Curry's actually a good player and an expiring. But yeah, if they really want to use their cap this year for another move (Ayton?), this is probably a non-starter.

Don’t Buddy and Harris essentially have the exact same contract? Both expire 2023/24.

[hoosierdaddy34]

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kd is great but i think the nets may be in for a rude awakening as far as his value. i don't think it's as high as they think. he is 34 and owed 200 million dollars. everyone is not as dedicated and therefore won't age like lebron. kd didn't look that great against the celtics this year. this could be the beginning of the cliff for him.

Seriously, I thought Ayton S&T, Bridges, Johnson and a pick seemed like really good value for him. If Simmons can stop being a head case that seems like a playoff team…which is exactly what they were this year. Except they would now be young with some room to grow.

[AmusingFiddle]

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kd is great but i think the nets may be in for a rude awakening as far as his value. i don't think it's as high as they think. he is 34 and owed 200 million dollars. everyone is not as dedicated and therefore won't age like lebron. kd didn't look that great against the celtics this year. this could be the beginning of the cliff for him.

Seriously, I thought Ayton S&T, Bridges, Johnson and a pick seemed like really good value for him. If Simmons can stop being a head case that seems like a playoff team…which is exactly what they were this year. Except they would now be young with some room to grow.

Cannot do a S&T Ayton with Simmons on the roster. CBA restrictions.

Nets would have to trade Simmons as well.

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[levon]

Indiana is sending out $22.8M and taking back $37.4M, so they're renting out their cap space. I would assume one FRP would go to Indiana and one would go to Brooklyn from the Lakers.

They're taking a breadth of cap space in the next few seasons to get rid of the depth of space taken by Hield. Also, Curry's actually a good player and an expiring. But yeah, if they really want to use their cap this year for another move (Ayton?), this is probably a non-starter.

Don’t Buddy and Harris essentially have the exact same contract? Both expire 2023/24.

Ha, you're right. When I ran the trade machine it said Buddy had three years left and Harris had two. My bad, this doesn't work at all then.

[SK21209]

Why do we even have this Designated Rookie Extension rule? I’m not sure what it accomplishes.

[th87]

Yeah because the Clippers have been so successful at winning titles with those advantages.

Been 8 years since being bought from an idiot, so no historical name recognition yet.

Still, marquee free agents flocked there. If they weren't injured, they'd have a title by now.

Oh wait but I thought it was only because of city warmth, proximity to oceans, and whatever preferential treatment means?

So we are now adding historical name recognition. I wonder how a team builds up historical name recognition?

Are you really trying to argue that the Lakers don't have built-in advantages over virtually every other team?

The disingenuousness would be hilarious if so.

The Clippers only moved to LA in 1984. For 20 years after, they were hamstrung with bad ownership, which appears to have finally resolved.

You are comparing what the Clippers have had for 8 years to what the Lakers have had for 60, and trying to use that as some proof. Are you serious?