Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism

[Ballerhogger]

Jokic gonna win it and there’s going be lot hurt feelings on espn

[TacoLord]

Can't believe ESPN hasn't fired him for this yet after dumping Ramona for something similar.

[Jeremy Lin 7]

Jokic gonna win it and there’s going be lot hurt feelings on espn

Perk is so salty. If Joker was black he wouldn't be saying any of this BS.

Anyone who watches the games knows Joker isn't stat padding.

[Pablo Escobar]

Jokic gonna win it and there’s going be lot hurt feelings on espn

I can't wait when this happens

[Ckay]

Get em Barkley.

Watch on YouTube

Hey man, I'm trying to work on my golf game and you're already trying to make me talk about stupid stuff. Come on man. That's asinine, silly and stupid. Listen, Joker has won 2 MVP's, well deserved. Him, Giannis and Embiid are battling for the 3rd one this year. But the notion that people are voting, I mean you can probably count on one hand the white guys that won MVP's. Does he even know how many white voters are out there? Or did he just pull it out of his ass? And if white voters want to vote only for white guys, why has white guy only won it like 5 times in the last 30 years. Wouldn't the numbers be way worse? And let me tell you something, I'm glad JJ challenged Perkins, 'cause when I heard this for the first time last week, I said this has to be one of the most stupid things I've ever heard.

[zeebneeb]

I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.

The issue with that argument is those white media people still voted for black players the vast majority of the time. And many of those voters are black too, including most of the best known ones. Stephen A has a vote. Mike Wilbon has a vote. Chris Broussard has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Chris Herring has a vote. Jalen Rose has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Even Kendrick Perkins has a vote.

The NBA media voters are basically a cast of ESPN, SI and The Athletic media people.

Here is the list I found:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview

Your argument about the past MVPs over the last decade doesn't have a great deal of weight. Besides Jokic, out of the last ten years which white player was even on a level to be considered for an MVP vote? It's an inconclusive argument within the context of performance.

The argument is akin to saying "In a field of consisting of five different flavors of jolly ranchers as rated by competing candies, the lollipops also voted for the jolly ranchers rather than lollipops."

A silly example, yes, but to the point.

Thank you for the link. I don't think it had your intended effect.

I counted all the voters. There was only one voter who I didn't feel comfortable trying to determine their ethnicity, so I left him out. I believe I counted up everyone right, but:

Of the people (minus the one gentleman) in the link, if I didn't skip over anyone, there's 116 eligible voters for MVP.

62% are white.

Black players of 2021 make up 73% of the league.


Of the 58 votes (minus the one gentleman) who are on record about who they voted for:
38 are white.
20 are People of Color.

39 of those votes were for Jokic.
26 were white media members, which is 68% of the white vote.
13 were from PoC media members, which is 65% of the PoC vote.

I'd like to see the shift in those numbers for the full account of votes, but this link didn't have who everyone voted for, since it seemed to be primarily going off information provided by those voters on twitter/articles/interviews.


But the real number is the first one listed, which again:

62% of the voting body in the link provided is white.

73% of the players in the league are Black.

Just because the NBA is better about some stuff than the NFl, NHL, MLB doesn't mean it doesn't have room to improve. Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps. Some of you may not like how eyeatoma is bringing their message across, but the message isn't wrong.

I'll bring up a story Greg Oden told after his playing days were over about his time in Portland, which may not seem relevant but to me it is. He said it was difficult for him to be in Portland because he was a young Black man in a city, a state, which is incredibly white. It's isolating. It's depressing. You don't see many, if any, people who look like you on a daily basis. It's hard to do and hard to feel comfortable and connect.

I brought this up because I want you all to think about how many teams are in heavily white cities. But made up of mostly Black players. But they're covered by majority, if not completely, local white reporters (for example I'm not sure if Portland currently has anyone covering the team from any of the state's major to minor publications who is Black. I think they all might be white at this time). Now take this to a wider scope and remember those numbers above. 62% of the voting body is white. On a national scale, how many media members reflecting and talking about the NBA on 'debate' shows, on the radio, are white compared to media members of color? How many local reporters being brought on to those shows are white reporters compared to reporters of color?

How do our own lived experiences, perceptions and prejudices influence how we write and report about players who look vastly different than us? Who grew up different than us? Who deal with incidents in life that we will never encounter and imagine? And how do we create and spread those narratives on a local and national scale?

Because while he is at the center of this thread and topic, again this isn't truly about Jokic. He's a great player. It's in truth about the media and in some way also fans. How the league is covered, who it is covered by, and what certain media members and fans want to come to pass.

Something little to think about that maybe doesn't mean a lot to some people, but maybe it'll get you asking some questions about how the game is covered:
How many Black athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?
How many white athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?

This is an embarrassment of a post, and you should feel bad about it.

The bolded parts are so absolutely absurd, and quite frankly, have a segregation undertone.

Using your own logic, maybe the NBA needs to start drafting more White, and Hispanic players, to more accurately reflect the United States population demographics?

Or should all industries move to a more segregated workforce in totality? Your words, not mine, mind you.


I can't believe that you actually think its okay to believe that because the workforce of a particular industry is majority Black, that the people covering them, should be reflected in that. Why end at what you stated? Perhaps ballboys should also represent the league. How about advertisers? Majority Black owned businesses should get 73% of the ad slots? Concession workers? Should White owners sell the teams to Black people as well?

Perhaps the fanbase is too white as well?

You used this sentence;


"Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps."

Your not asking for diversity. Your asking for a direct reflection.

should we do that with every workforce?

[eyeatoma]

The issue with that argument is those white media people still voted for black players the vast majority of the time. And many of those voters are black too, including most of the best known ones. Stephen A has a vote. Mike Wilbon has a vote. Chris Broussard has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Chris Herring has a vote. Jalen Rose has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Even Kendrick Perkins has a vote.

The NBA media voters are basically a cast of ESPN, SI and The Athletic media people.

Here is the list I found:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview

Your argument about the past MVPs over the last decade doesn't have a great deal of weight. Besides Jokic, out of the last ten years which white player was even on a level to be considered for an MVP vote? It's an inconclusive argument within the context of performance.

The argument is akin to saying "In a field of consisting of five different flavors of jolly ranchers as rated by competing candies, the lollipops also voted for the jolly ranchers rather than lollipops."

A silly example, yes, but to the point.

Thank you for the link. I don't think it had your intended effect.

I counted all the voters. There was only one voter who I didn't feel comfortable trying to determine their ethnicity, so I left him out. I believe I counted up everyone right, but:

Of the people (minus the one gentleman) in the link, if I didn't skip over anyone, there's 116 eligible voters for MVP.

62% are white.

Black players of 2021 make up 73% of the league.


Of the 58 votes (minus the one gentleman) who are on record about who they voted for:
38 are white.
20 are People of Color.

39 of those votes were for Jokic.
26 were white media members, which is 68% of the white vote.
13 were from PoC media members, which is 65% of the PoC vote.

I'd like to see the shift in those numbers for the full account of votes, but this link didn't have who everyone voted for, since it seemed to be primarily going off information provided by those voters on twitter/articles/interviews.


But the real number is the first one listed, which again:

62% of the voting body in the link provided is white.

73% of the players in the league are Black.

Just because the NBA is better about some stuff than the NFl, NHL, MLB doesn't mean it doesn't have room to improve. Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps. Some of you may not like how eyeatoma is bringing their message across, but the message isn't wrong.

I'll bring up a story Greg Oden told after his playing days were over about his time in Portland, which may not seem relevant but to me it is. He said it was difficult for him to be in Portland because he was a young Black man in a city, a state, which is incredibly white. It's isolating. It's depressing. You don't see many, if any, people who look like you on a daily basis. It's hard to do and hard to feel comfortable and connect.

I brought this up because I want you all to think about how many teams are in heavily white cities. But made up of mostly Black players. But they're covered by majority, if not completely, local white reporters (for example I'm not sure if Portland currently has anyone covering the team from any of the state's major to minor publications who is Black. I think they all might be white at this time). Now take this to a wider scope and remember those numbers above. 62% of the voting body is white. On a national scale, how many media members reflecting and talking about the NBA on 'debate' shows, on the radio, are white compared to media members of color? How many local reporters being brought on to those shows are white reporters compared to reporters of color?

How do our own lived experiences, perceptions and prejudices influence how we write and report about players who look vastly different than us? Who grew up different than us? Who deal with incidents in life that we will never encounter and imagine? And how do we create and spread those narratives on a local and national scale?

Because while he is at the center of this thread and topic, again this isn't truly about Jokic. He's a great player. It's in truth about the media and in some way also fans. How the league is covered, who it is covered by, and what certain media members and fans want to come to pass.

Something little to think about that maybe doesn't mean a lot to some people, but maybe it'll get you asking some questions about how the game is covered:
How many Black athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?
How many white athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?

This is an embarrassment of a post, and you should feel bad about it.

The bolded parts are so absolutely absurd, and quite frankly, have a segregation undertone.

Using your own logic, maybe the NBA needs to start drafting more White, and Hispanic players, to more accurately reflect the United States population demographics?

Or should all industries move to a more segregated workforce in totality? Your words, not mine, mind you.


I can't believe that you actually think its okay to believe that because the workforce of a particular industry is majority Black, that the people covering them, should be reflected in that. Why end at what you stated? Perhaps ballboys should also represent the league. How about advertisers? Majority Black owned businesses should get 73% of the ad slots? Concession workers? Should White owners sell the teams to Black people as well?

Perhaps the fanbase is too white as well?

You used this sentence;


"Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps."

Your not asking for diversity. Your asking for a direct reflection.

should we do that with every workforce?

It doesn't need to be a direct reflection, but the owners of the majority population are woefully under represented. Diversity, is the most important part, does not even need to be black IMO.

[Peregrine01]

The issue with that argument is those white media people still voted for black players the vast majority of the time. And many of those voters are black too, including most of the best known ones. Stephen A has a vote. Mike Wilbon has a vote. Chris Broussard has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Chris Herring has a vote. Jalen Rose has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Even Kendrick Perkins has a vote.

The NBA media voters are basically a cast of ESPN, SI and The Athletic media people.

Here is the list I found:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview

Your argument about the past MVPs over the last decade doesn't have a great deal of weight. Besides Jokic, out of the last ten years which white player was even on a level to be considered for an MVP vote? It's an inconclusive argument within the context of performance.

The argument is akin to saying "In a field of consisting of five different flavors of jolly ranchers as rated by competing candies, the lollipops also voted for the jolly ranchers rather than lollipops."

A silly example, yes, but to the point.

Thank you for the link. I don't think it had your intended effect.

I counted all the voters. There was only one voter who I didn't feel comfortable trying to determine their ethnicity, so I left him out. I believe I counted up everyone right, but:

Of the people (minus the one gentleman) in the link, if I didn't skip over anyone, there's 116 eligible voters for MVP.

62% are white.

Black players of 2021 make up 73% of the league.


Of the 58 votes (minus the one gentleman) who are on record about who they voted for:
38 are white.
20 are People of Color.

39 of those votes were for Jokic.
26 were white media members, which is 68% of the white vote.
13 were from PoC media members, which is 65% of the PoC vote.

I'd like to see the shift in those numbers for the full account of votes, but this link didn't have who everyone voted for, since it seemed to be primarily going off information provided by those voters on twitter/articles/interviews.


But the real number is the first one listed, which again:

62% of the voting body in the link provided is white.

73% of the players in the league are Black.

Just because the NBA is better about some stuff than the NFl, NHL, MLB doesn't mean it doesn't have room to improve. Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps. Some of you may not like how eyeatoma is bringing their message across, but the message isn't wrong.

I'll bring up a story Greg Oden told after his playing days were over about his time in Portland, which may not seem relevant but to me it is. He said it was difficult for him to be in Portland because he was a young Black man in a city, a state, which is incredibly white. It's isolating. It's depressing. You don't see many, if any, people who look like you on a daily basis. It's hard to do and hard to feel comfortable and connect.

I brought this up because I want you all to think about how many teams are in heavily white cities. But made up of mostly Black players. But they're covered by majority, if not completely, local white reporters (for example I'm not sure if Portland currently has anyone covering the team from any of the state's major to minor publications who is Black. I think they all might be white at this time). Now take this to a wider scope and remember those numbers above. 62% of the voting body is white. On a national scale, how many media members reflecting and talking about the NBA on 'debate' shows, on the radio, are white compared to media members of color? How many local reporters being brought on to those shows are white reporters compared to reporters of color?

How do our own lived experiences, perceptions and prejudices influence how we write and report about players who look vastly different than us? Who grew up different than us? Who deal with incidents in life that we will never encounter and imagine? And how do we create and spread those narratives on a local and national scale?

Because while he is at the center of this thread and topic, again this isn't truly about Jokic. He's a great player. It's in truth about the media and in some way also fans. How the league is covered, who it is covered by, and what certain media members and fans want to come to pass.

Something little to think about that maybe doesn't mean a lot to some people, but maybe it'll get you asking some questions about how the game is covered:
How many Black athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?
How many white athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?

This is an embarrassment of a post, and you should feel bad about it.

The bolded parts are so absolutely absurd, and quite frankly, have a segregation undertone.

Using your own logic, maybe the NBA needs to start drafting more White, and Hispanic players, to more accurately reflect the United States population demographics?

Or should all industries move to a more segregated workforce in totality? Your words, not mine, mind you.


I can't believe that you actually think its okay to believe that because the workforce of a particular industry is majority Black, that the people covering them, should be reflected in that. Why end at what you stated? Perhaps ballboys should also represent the league. How about advertisers? Majority Black owned businesses should get 73% of the ad slots? Concession workers? Should White owners sell the teams to Black people as well?

Perhaps the fanbase is too white as well?

You used this sentence;


"Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps."

Your not asking for diversity. Your asking for a direct reflection.

should we do that with every workforce?

It’s remarkable but I’ve observed this again and again and again: people don’t realize their own blatant hypocrisy.

[MavsDirk41]

Get em Barkley.

Watch on YouTube

Hey man, I'm trying to work on my golf game and you're already trying to make me talk about stupid stuff. Come on man. That's asinine, silly and stupid. Listen, Joker has won 2 MVP's, well deserved. Him, Giannis and Embiid are battling for the 3rd one this year. But the notion that people are voting, I mean you can probably count on one hand the white guys that won MVP's. Does he even know how many white voters are out there? Or did he just pull it out of his ass? And if white voters want to vote only for white guys, why has white guy only won it like 5 times in the last 30 years. Wouldn't the numbers be way worse? And let me tell you something, I'm glad JJ challenged Perkins, 'cause when I heard this for the first time last week, I said this has to be one of the most stupid things I've ever heard.

Barkley speaking the truth. Perkins is garbage.

[AussieCeltic]

Your argument about the past MVPs over the last decade doesn't have a great deal of weight. Besides Jokic, out of the last ten years which white player was even on a level to be considered for an MVP vote? It's an inconclusive argument within the context of performance.

The argument is akin to saying "In a field of consisting of five different flavors of jolly ranchers as rated by competing candies, the lollipops also voted for the jolly ranchers rather than lollipops."

A silly example, yes, but to the point.

Thank you for the link. I don't think it had your intended effect.

I counted all the voters. There was only one voter who I didn't feel comfortable trying to determine their ethnicity, so I left him out. I believe I counted up everyone right, but:

Of the people (minus the one gentleman) in the link, if I didn't skip over anyone, there's 116 eligible voters for MVP.

62% are white.

Black players of 2021 make up 73% of the league.


Of the 58 votes (minus the one gentleman) who are on record about who they voted for:
38 are white.
20 are People of Color.

39 of those votes were for Jokic.
26 were white media members, which is 68% of the white vote.
13 were from PoC media members, which is 65% of the PoC vote.

I'd like to see the shift in those numbers for the full account of votes, but this link didn't have who everyone voted for, since it seemed to be primarily going off information provided by those voters on twitter/articles/interviews.


But the real number is the first one listed, which again:

62% of the voting body in the link provided is white.

73% of the players in the league are Black.

Just because the NBA is better about some stuff than the NFl, NHL, MLB doesn't mean it doesn't have room to improve. Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps. Some of you may not like how eyeatoma is bringing their message across, but the message isn't wrong.

I'll bring up a story Greg Oden told after his playing days were over about his time in Portland, which may not seem relevant but to me it is. He said it was difficult for him to be in Portland because he was a young Black man in a city, a state, which is incredibly white. It's isolating. It's depressing. You don't see many, if any, people who look like you on a daily basis. It's hard to do and hard to feel comfortable and connect.

I brought this up because I want you all to think about how many teams are in heavily white cities. But made up of mostly Black players. But they're covered by majority, if not completely, local white reporters (for example I'm not sure if Portland currently has anyone covering the team from any of the state's major to minor publications who is Black. I think they all might be white at this time). Now take this to a wider scope and remember those numbers above. 62% of the voting body is white. On a national scale, how many media members reflecting and talking about the NBA on 'debate' shows, on the radio, are white compared to media members of color? How many local reporters being brought on to those shows are white reporters compared to reporters of color?

How do our own lived experiences, perceptions and prejudices influence how we write and report about players who look vastly different than us? Who grew up different than us? Who deal with incidents in life that we will never encounter and imagine? And how do we create and spread those narratives on a local and national scale?

Because while he is at the center of this thread and topic, again this isn't truly about Jokic. He's a great player. It's in truth about the media and in some way also fans. How the league is covered, who it is covered by, and what certain media members and fans want to come to pass.

Something little to think about that maybe doesn't mean a lot to some people, but maybe it'll get you asking some questions about how the game is covered:
How many Black athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?
How many white athletes are described as articulate by white reporters?

This is an embarrassment of a post, and you should feel bad about it.

The bolded parts are so absolutely absurd, and quite frankly, have a segregation undertone.

Using your own logic, maybe the NBA needs to start drafting more White, and Hispanic players, to more accurately reflect the United States population demographics?

Or should all industries move to a more segregated workforce in totality? Your words, not mine, mind you.


I can't believe that you actually think its okay to believe that because the workforce of a particular industry is majority Black, that the people covering them, should be reflected in that. Why end at what you stated? Perhaps ballboys should also represent the league. How about advertisers? Majority Black owned businesses should get 73% of the ad slots? Concession workers? Should White owners sell the teams to Black people as well?

Perhaps the fanbase is too white as well?

You used this sentence;


"Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps."

Your not asking for diversity. Your asking for a direct reflection.

should we do that with every workforce?

It doesn't need to be a direct reflection, but the owners of the majority population are woefully under represented. Diversity, is the most important part, does not even need to be black IMO.

There have been plenty of teams for sale in the last 10 years. It’s a free market therefore, the team goes to the top bidder.

This is literally the one part of the league where it’s purely about how much money you have, it has zero to do with your race.

We have a black owner, Indian owner, Chinese owner. All because they paid the most. There is literally nothing stopping any black person from purchasing a team if they have the money.

[Mickey8]

I love how people get uncomfortable the moment race is brought up. This is exactly why the world is the way it is. I do want to say, racism doesn't just exist from white people. It exists in every single culture in every single country. I'm Indian, and we are some of the most racist people in the world. But, it's okay to say that white privilege, and subconscious racism plays a part in the favoritism given to Jokic. The idea that he can do no wrong, but players like Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Joel Embiid, and Kevin Durant get vilanized for their actions, decisions, or style of play.

I don't deny that white players have to overcome a great amount of stigmatism, and stereotypes because of the color of their skin. Breaking into a predominantly black sport, you have to really prove yourself. Jokic has earned that, and he is one of the best players in the world. But I guarantee you, if this was a black player and they hadn't won a chip or atleast made the finals, that player would not be in the running for MVP.

That being said, black players will always have the microscope on them. LeBron James, people are constantly searching for things to break him down. Tom Brady? The dude clearly cheats and he's lauded as the greatest of all time. I'd be curious to see how many people on this thread are people of color, compared to caucasians. You can say that doesn't matter, but we all know it does, and if this was face to face, these conversations would be a lot more heated. People only say the things they say on this board because they have a screen behind them protecting them.

You are repeating the same dumb stuff like the parrot on every thread ,counting on if you repeat it million times it will become the truth . MVP is the regular season award. Jokic is making unplayable players in the NBA playable, we see how ex Nuggets players are doing when they leave Denver , some of them are even out of the league , Denver roster from the last season. Players who are doing most with the least are deserving of that award more than the players who are playing on the stacked teams or super teams.

[Mickey8]

I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.

Thank you, this!!!!!!!

White population media, covering a predominantly black sport. Glad someone said it. I've said before, the biggest mistake was letting the media vote for MVP.

What is the white population media??? There are a lot of black,Asian,Hispanic people in American sports media. What the hell you are rambling about Turn to any mainstream sport network channel and you will see lots of diversity.

[eyeatoma]

This is an embarrassment of a post, and you should feel bad about it.

The bolded parts are so absolutely absurd, and quite frankly, have a segregation undertone.

Using your own logic, maybe the NBA needs to start drafting more White, and Hispanic players, to more accurately reflect the United States population demographics?

Or should all industries move to a more segregated workforce in totality? Your words, not mine, mind you.


I can't believe that you actually think its okay to believe that because the workforce of a particular industry is majority Black, that the people covering them, should be reflected in that. Why end at what you stated? Perhaps ballboys should also represent the league. How about advertisers? Majority Black owned businesses should get 73% of the ad slots? Concession workers? Should White owners sell the teams to Black people as well?

Perhaps the fanbase is too white as well?

You used this sentence;


"Getting more diversity in front offices, in local reporting, these are just important first steps."

Your not asking for diversity. Your asking for a direct reflection.

should we do that with every workforce?

It doesn't need to be a direct reflection, but the owners of the majority population are woefully under represented. Diversity, is the most important part, does not even need to be black IMO.

There have been plenty of teams for sale in the last 10 years. It’s a free market therefore, the team goes to the top bidder.

This is literally the one part of the league where it’s purely about how much money you have, it has zero to do with your race.

We have a black owner, Indian owner, Chinese owner. All because they paid the most. There is literally nothing stopping any black person from purchasing a team if they have the money.

You're right. I don't' think the NBA was intentionally doing it. And I know that they are having more owners from minority groups. This isn't much different than having black coaches, which was a big thing a few years ago. It was something people were upset about recently when a few white coaches where immediately picked before black coaches. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy.

[MavsDirk41]

I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.

Thank you, this!!!!!!!

White population media, covering a predominantly black sport. Glad someone said it. I've said before, the biggest mistake was letting the media vote for MVP.

What is the white population media??? There are a lot black,Asian,Hispanic people in American sports media. What the hell you are rambling about

Some of the comments in this thread lol - i dont even know what point that guy is trying to make

[eyeatoma]

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[AussieCeltic]

It doesn't need to be a direct reflection, but the owners of the majority population are woefully under represented. Diversity, is the most important part, does not even need to be black IMO.

There have been plenty of teams for sale in the last 10 years. It’s a free market therefore, the team goes to the top bidder.

This is literally the one part of the league where it’s purely about how much money you have, it has zero to do with your race.

We have a black owner, Indian owner, Chinese owner. All because they paid the most. There is literally nothing stopping any black person from purchasing a team if they have the money.

You're right. I don't' think the NBA was intentionally doing it. And I know that they are having more owners from minority groups. This isn't much different than having black coaches, which was a big thing a few years ago. It was something people were upset about recently when a few white coaches where immediately picked before black coaches. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy.

This was about the Steve Nash hire which was debunked as well when you had plenty of black coaches like Derek Fisher, Doc Rivers, Isiah Thomas, Mark Jackson all hired with no experience.

[MavsDirk41]

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How about the Joker deserves the mvp? Why is race even discussed lol? The dude is the best player on the #1 seed in the west while averaging an efficient triple double. You take him off that team and they are a lottery team. I dont get the hate on this guy.

[eyeatoma]

There have been plenty of teams for sale in the last 10 years. It’s a free market therefore, the team goes to the top bidder.

This is literally the one part of the league where it’s purely about how much money you have, it has zero to do with your race.

We have a black owner, Indian owner, Chinese owner. All because they paid the most. There is literally nothing stopping any black person from purchasing a team if they have the money.

You're right. I don't' think the NBA was intentionally doing it. And I know that they are having more owners from minority groups. This isn't much different than having black coaches, which was a big thing a few years ago. It was something people were upset about recently when a few white coaches where immediately picked before black coaches. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy.

This was about the Steve Nash hire which was debunked as well when you had plenty of black coaches like Derek Fisher, Doc Rivers, Isiah Thomas, Mark Jackson all hired with no experience.

Yet people don't seem to mind that happening not sure why it's such an issue to have a more diverse group of owners instead of rich white men.

[eyeatoma]

The way people feel threatened by this topic the moment it's questioned in the slightest is the biggest problem we have. The hostility coming from people isn't surprising. Story of our world...

How about the Joker deserves the mvp? Why is race even discussed lol? The dude is the best player on the #1 seed in the west while averaging an efficient triple double. You take him off that team and they are a lottery team. I dont get the hate on this guy.

Think you meant to post this on the MVP thread lol, not saying anything different than what you've said there. I'm curious to see how many of the posters on this thread that are being hostile, are from a predominantly a white background. Not from a minority group, that has to deal with oppression and overt racism sometimes on a daily basis. Again, I don't agree with what Perkins said, but to act like there aren't even subconscious racial preferences made in atleast some of these votes and takes is naive to say the least.

[AleksandarN]

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What perk said isn't true, but he's not entirely wrong. The majority of the media is white. Winning 3 MVPs and constantly changing the goal posts is a lil sus. The apologies and excuses made for Joker are getting old.

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What are the goal posts that are being moved so Jokic can win? The fact last year that Denver was the 6th seed? That was nothing new, Westbrook won the MVP just a few years prior being the 6th seed. This whole thing about not being top 10 in scoring? Thats nothing new even if we get away from Nash and Dirk (who was technically in the top 10 of scoring), Magic racked up MVP's while not being top 10 in scoring.

What are the goal posts that are moving and new narratives being created so these white voters can vote for him? If there is a guy that the media is going to try to bend over backwards to create new narratives to vote for a guy to win MVP, I doubt its the guy with zero social media presence, doesnt do interviews or podcasts and plays for Denver of a places.

Maybe just maybe, Jokic has been the best and most valuable player in the regular season the last 3 years. And the NBA media that votes for these awards arent a bunch of people that are racist and just waiting for the chance to vote for a white guy.

I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

Goal posts...

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Ok embiid did not deserve to win it 2 years ago as a first team. Why bring up 1st team when he missed over 20 games. Why does he get credit for team standings when he missed over 30 percent of the games. His stats were not better than jokic either embiid did not have a better season that year. So stop with the bs. Also the records between both teams were 2 freaking games. So stop it with embiid should have won it 2 years ago