NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[bigboi]

Embiid is not getting MVP no matter what, everyone who voted for him last year, for all the wrong reasons, will not vote for him this year, he got his gift.
Giannis and Jokic have to do the impossible this year to get it, they are extremely unlikely to get it.
My vote would be Luka, he is a generational talent, and he is most likely MVP in my view.
Some other guys may get in the mix, Tatum, SGA come to mind.

Y’all really expose yourselves as not watching basketball. I’m a Celtics fan and every Celtics fan knows that Tatum isn’t even in the running.

There are 4 people in the running right now.

Embiid, Giannis, Luka, Jokic. All else is wishful thinking

You gotta stop insulting people, man. Skip the first part and disagree with the post without going after the poster. There's no need for such hostile replies to simple disagreements. We've already spoken to you about this and your next violation will come with an automatic suspension. -b

[Hussien Fatal]

No it's not wrong, I'm not talking about this season, I'm talking about past seasons. This time last year or the year before Jokic was absolutely obliterating the PER record, sitting at around 35, and of course he finished the season with a PER of 32.8. The same thing happened with Giannis during his MVP seasons.

I’m talking about this season specifically, which is all that matters. We don’t know what will happen.

History matters, if he can sustain this PER all the power to him, but Jokic and Giannis have had much higher PERs at this stage of the season so Embiid's current PER isn't that impressive. He's also been feasting on the bottom of the league in the month of December. Let's revisit this PER discussion in February or March.

Lol at Giannis and Jokic having much higher PER’s than Embiid at this stage of the season. You have no proof that either one of those players had a PER of 34.5 22 games into the season. Prove it or don’t make silly claims like this. What Embiid is doing is absolutely phenomenal, so please don’t make up lies to limit what Embiid is doing.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I’m talking about this season specifically, which is all that matters. We don’t know what will happen.

History matters, if he can sustain this PER all the power to him, but Jokic and Giannis have had much higher PERs at this stage of the season so Embiid's current PER isn't that impressive. He's also been feasting on the bottom of the league in the month of December. Let's revisit this PER discussion in February or March.

Lol at Giannis and Jokic having much higher PER’s than Embiid at this stage of the season. You have no proof that either one of those players had a PER of 34.5 22 games into the season. Prove it or don’t make silly claims like this. What Embiid is doing is absolutely phenomenal, so please don’t make up lies to limit what Embiid is doing.

I just wanted to say thank you for the balanced perspective you bring to MVP discussions, and I'm sure Eyeatoma appreciates it, too.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I’m talking about this season specifically, which is all that matters. We don’t know what will happen.

History matters, if he can sustain this PER all the power to him, but Jokic and Giannis have had much higher PERs at this stage of the season so Embiid's current PER isn't that impressive. He's also been feasting on the bottom of the league in the month of December. Let's revisit this PER discussion in February or March.

Lol at Giannis and Jokic having much higher PER’s than Embiid at this stage of the season. You have no proof that either one of those players had a PER of 34.5 22 games into the season. Prove it or don’t make silly claims like this. What Embiid is doing is absolutely phenomenal, so please don’t make up lies to limit what Embiid is doing.

To be fair though you can probably use a slightly earlier stage of the season, since they will have matched Embiid in actual game time played earlier than it would Embiid. To be fair.

[Cubbies2120]

Spoiler:

Embiid is not getting MVP no matter what, everyone who voted for him last year, for all the wrong reasons, will not vote for him this year, he got his gift.
Giannis and Jokic have to do the impossible this year to get it, they are extremely unlikely to get it.
My vote would be Luka, he is a generational talent, and he is most likely MVP in my view.
Some other guys may get in the mix, Tatum, SGA come to mind.

Y’all really expose yourselves as not watching basketball. I’m a Celtics fan and every Celtics fan knows that Tatum isn’t even in the running.

There are 4 people in the running right now.

Embiid, Giannis, Luka, Jokic. All else is wishful thinking

Reported for continuing to insult posters by claiming they don’t watch games. You are a blatant troll who just goes around making baiting comments to anyone who disagrees with your (ignorant) opinion. You looked like a complete fool when you said that to me a couple days ago. Didn’t you learn your lesson?

Ok it's been handled. Don't get yourself in trouble insulting the guy you just reported for insults. -b

[rzzzzz]

Is this true? “Greatest 5 game point differential in professional sports history?” (Doesn’t seem likely, One of you guys probably can come up with a worst string of smackdowns.)

[MyTake_1]

Embiid is not getting MVP no matter what, everyone who voted for him last year, for all the wrong reasons, will not vote for him this year, he got his gift.
Giannis and Jokic have to do the impossible this year to get it, they are extremely unlikely to get it.
My vote would be Luka, he is a generational talent, and he is most likely MVP in my view.
Some other guys may get in the mix, Tatum, SGA come to mind.

Y’all really expose yourselves as not watching basketball. I’m a Celtics fan and every Celtics fan knows that Tatum isn’t even in the running.

There are 4 people in the running right now.

Embiid, Giannis, Luka, Jokic. All else is wishful thinking

I could hardly care less what you think, I call it as I see it.
Yes, Tatum is an outsider but he is playing on the best team in the East and could put up 50 pomt games vs Wizards and Detroit like Embiid.
Have you watched Embiid? Do you think he is Jokic/Giannis/Luka type of talent? I don't think so.
He is also a whiner and a cry baby. butt hurt all the time, missing games for weird reasons, just not a guy you will miss once he is gone.
He got MVP under the most bizarre circumstances, he ain't getting another, not happening.

[bigboi]

Embiid is not getting MVP no matter what, everyone who voted for him last year, for all the wrong reasons, will not vote for him this year, he got his gift.
Giannis and Jokic have to do the impossible this year to get it, they are extremely unlikely to get it.
My vote would be Luka, he is a generational talent, and he is most likely MVP in my view.
Some other guys may get in the mix, Tatum, SGA come to mind.

Y’all really expose yourselves as not watching basketball. I’m a Celtics fan and every Celtics fan knows that Tatum isn’t even in the running.

There are 4 people in the running right now.

Embiid, Giannis, Luka, Jokic. All else is wishful thinking

I could hardly care less what you think, I call it as I see it.
Yes, Tatum is an outsider but he is playing on the best team in the East and could put up 50 pomt games vs Wizards and Detroit like Embiid.
Have you watched Embiid? Do you think he is Jokic/Giannis/Luka type of talent? I don't think so.
He is also a whiner and a cry baby. butt hurt all the time, missing games for weird reasons, just not a guy you will miss once he is gone.
He got MVP under the most bizarre circumstances, he ain't getting another, not happening.

If Tatum could then he would lol. Tatum is a streaky player otherwise he would be arguably the best in the league. And yes, Embiid is easily on that level lol. Stats and record suggest just that. Looks like you’ll be crying because dude is leading the MVP race right now and if he continues this pace, he’s winning unless Giannis snatches

[maxpower8888]

I’m talking about this season specifically, which is all that matters. We don’t know what will happen.

History matters, if he can sustain this PER all the power to him, but Jokic and Giannis have had much higher PERs at this stage of the season so Embiid's current PER isn't that impressive. He's also been feasting on the bottom of the league in the month of December. Let's revisit this PER discussion in February or March.

Lol at Giannis and Jokic having much higher PER’s than Embiid at this stage of the season. You have no proof that either one of those players had a PER of 34.5 22 games into the season. Prove it or don’t make silly claims like this. What Embiid is doing is absolutely phenomenal, so please don’t make up lies to limit what Embiid is doing.

There have been threads made about it on this very forum, I'm not willing to search for them. But please don't call me a liar, it's really homerish. It is possible to simply be wrong.

EDIT: Thank god for the internet archive. I looked at this link from 2021-22, Dec 15th.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211215030054/https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jokicni01.html

22 games played with a PER of 34.4.

Then for Giannis you can look at this link from the 2019-20 seaaon.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191218000816/https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/antetgi01.html

27 games played with a PER of 34.6.

As I said before, Embiid's PER will more than likely level off to the 30-32 range by season's end. Still very impressive but not record breaking.

[Hussien Fatal]

History matters, if he can sustain this PER all the power to him, but Jokic and Giannis have had much higher PERs at this stage of the season so Embiid's current PER isn't that impressive. He's also been feasting on the bottom of the league in the month of December. Let's revisit this PER discussion in February or March.

Lol at Giannis and Jokic having much higher PER’s than Embiid at this stage of the season. You have no proof that either one of those players had a PER of 34.5 22 games into the season. Prove it or don’t make silly claims like this. What Embiid is doing is absolutely phenomenal, so please don’t make up lies to limit what Embiid is doing.

There have been threads made about it on this very forum, I'm not willing to search for them. But please don't call me a liar, it's really homerish. It is possible to simply be wrong.

EDIT: Thank god for the internet archive. I looked at this link from 2021-22, Dec 15th.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211215030054/https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jokicni01.html

22 games played with a PER of 34.4.

Then for Giannis you can look at this link from the 2019-20 seaaon.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191218000816/https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/antetgi01.html

27 games played with a PER of 34.6.

As I said before, Embiid's PER will more than likely level off to the 30-32 range by season's end. Still very impressive but not record breaking.

You still lied my guy! You said they had “MUCH HIGHER PER’s” at this stage of the season when Embiid’s PER is higher than Jokic’s at this stage in the season and Giannis’ PER is a whole 1 decimal point higher. None of this qualifies as “MUCH HIGHER” as you claimed.

[CobraCommander]

You can’t be serious

Once he said he would rather have SGA over Giannis I stopped reading…


SGA is in the revolving chair for 4th best player in NBA right now- tonight SGA hit a game winner to beat the NBA champs and took over the seat as the 4th best player on earth from Fox. But Luka had a 40 triple double - curry went nuclear in 4th and AntMan went off… but SGA did the damn thing today on both ends and again is in 4th.

But Embiid Again did what he is just doing - rolling out of bed dropping nukes-

And Giannis just shot 7-9 in a blowout - got 22 points in 20 or so minutes and didn’t stat pad against DETROIT


But could the MVP actually be Mike Brown because no fox no problem - get 47 from Murray and light the beam on em again???

Neither Fox nor SGA are better than Luka

Per you - fox and SGA are rightfully not conceding that. I don’t know how you come to that conclusion.

I don’t know who is better but nothing is set in stone long term. Last year per the mvp voters SGA was better than Luka - and the year before that Booker was better than Luka....at least for that year.

At one point Giannis was better than Jokic, now not so much.


Luka hasn’t done anything that definitely says he us better or worse than either SGA or fox....they all balling out

[eyeatoma]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka has made the WCF and is just 24 years old

[eyeatoma]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka has made the WCF and is just 24 years old

And how about last year?

[Hobo4President]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka is a playoff monster, unlike Embiid. Not to mention he's still young and has historically had an inferior supporting cast.

[eyeatoma]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka is a playoff monster, unlike Embiid. Not to mention he's still young and has historically had an inferior supporting cast.

Still have not heard anything about last years epic fail.

[Hobo4President]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka is a playoff monster, unlike Embiid. Not to mention he's still young and has historically had an inferior supporting cast.

Still have not heard anything about last years epic fail.

You asked about his playoff performance.

[eyeatoma]

Luka is a playoff monster, unlike Embiid. Not to mention he's still young and has historically had an inferior supporting cast.

Still have not heard anything about last years epic fail.

You asked about his playoff performance.

Right there was none last year lol. He failed to make the playoffs. An MVP candidate last year. He had a similar team to this year, apart from Lively. Good to see them doing well this season, still doesn't excuse last year. If Embiid missed the playoffs people would have roasted him on a spit.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka has made the WCF and is just 24 years old

And how about last year?

They had a bad year???

Sounds like you’re just salty because he already has more runs on the board in the playoffs compared to Embiid.

Doncic has performed exceptionally in the playoffs despite his teams having all the sorts of flaws you bang on about with the Sixers.

That’s why people are willing to forgive a season.

[NBA4Lyfe]

Can someone explain why Luka doesn't get any flak for his playoff performance. He has been good historically, but he didn't even make the playoffs last season and he had Kyrie at the end.

Luka has made the WCF and is just 24 years old

how old was harden when he made the wcf in 2015