NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[eyeatoma]

Gonna have to be SGA.

The Thunder are knocking on the door of 1st in the West. Dude is putting up godly numbers. Yeah Jokic is incredible, but share the wealth already. Nuggets have been good this year, but not incredible.

[Sweet Serenity]

Gonna have to be SGA.

The Thunder are knocking on the door of 1st in the West. Dude is putting up godly numbers. Yeah Jokic is incredible, but share the wealth already. Nuggets have been good this year, but not incredible.

31/5/6 is godly numbers ?
It’s funny how team record all of a sudden matters to you now that Embiid is injured.

[Sweet Serenity]

Tatum begging for the mvp is just sad to read. When you’re not as good as joker, SGA, luka or giannis all you can do is campaign in the media. Self awareness is important.

Did you even watch the press conference or did you just read the headline & come on here to vent ?
He was asked about the MVP race & he was referring to Windy using Tatum’s Finals series a couple of years ago as to why he wouldn’t pick him for MVP.
He wasn’t begging for the MVP. He just though that was unfair to use that against him & rightfully so.

[Wolfgang630]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

[Bob8]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

Tell me which other star can have 19/6/6, 2/8 for 3, 4 TO in 43 minutes and his team still easily wins away game against good opponent?

[RB34]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

Tell me which other star can have 19/6/6, 2/8 for 3, 4 TO in 43 minutes and his team still easily wins away game against good opponent?

Did you watch the game?

[Bob8]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

Tell me which other star can have 19/6/6, 2/8 for 3, 4 TO in 43 minutes and his team still easily wins away game against good opponent?

Did you watch the game?

No, but I know what happens, when Luka has game like that.

[Johnny Firpo]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

Tell me which other star can have 19/6/6, 2/8 for 3, 4 TO in 43 minutes and his team still easily wins away game against good opponent?

Did you watch the game?

I watched it, it would be one of Jokic's worst games this season.

[MFT5]

Tell me which other star can have 19/6/6, 2/8 for 3, 4 TO in 43 minutes and his team still easily wins away game against good opponent?

Did you watch the game?

No, but I know what happens, when Luka has game like that.

it’s literally that simple, ppl make this discussion more complicated than it needs to be smh

[Exp0sed]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

strongly disagree
can u point out a similar situation from past races? that is a scenario in which player A wins it when his team has a far superior record even though players B, C and D are all having a much better individual season?

forget about the C's being stacked for a moment just focus on the record vs. individual impact
I can't really think about a comparable example

guys that win MVP's are almost at the top in terms of both raw stats and impact stats (in addition to team wins). they're usually one of the top two players in a given season, they are never 4th, 5th or 6th overall etc.

[Green89]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

strongly disagree
can u point out a similar situation from past races? that is a scenario in which player A wins it when his team has a far superior record even though players B, C and D are all having a much better individual season?

forget about the C's being stacked for a moment just focus on the record vs. individual impact
I can't really think about a comparable example

guys that win MVP's are almost at the top in terms of both raw stats and impact stats (in addition to team wins). they're usually one of the top two players in a given season, they are never 4th, 5th or 6th overall etc.

In 1983, Larry Bird was 7th in PPG, 13th in APG, and 9th in the league in RPG. Yet he won MVP. That was when a players' impact on the team and their standing in the league meant more than stats.

[Exp0sed]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

strongly disagree
can u point out a similar situation from past races? that is a scenario in which player A wins it when his team has a far superior record even though players B, C and D are all having a much better individual season?

forget about the C's being stacked for a moment just focus on the record vs. individual impact
I can't really think about a comparable example

guys that win MVP's are almost at the top in terms of both raw stats and impact stats (in addition to team wins). they're usually one of the top two players in a given season, they are never 4th, 5th or 6th overall etc.

In 1983, Larry Bird was 7th in PPG, 13th in APG, and 9th in the league in RPG. Yet he won MVP. That was when a players' impact on the team and their standing in the league meant more than stats.

7th in PPG, 13th in APG AND 9th in RPB is awesome
and no, he had far and away the best advanced stats in the league that season. he led VORP by a mile with 7.3 with Magic a distant second at 5.6 and Dr J. 3rd at 5.3, he led the league in BPM (Magic was 2nd) was 2nd in WS after Dantley and 3rd in WS\48 after Dantley and King) and was 2nd in PER with 24.2, with Dantley at 24.6

he was the best player during the 83-84 regular season

Tatum isn't and arguably he isn't even top 5 perhaps even lower than that..

and fwiw, even if 83'-84 would have been a comparable example (and it isn't) the very fact we need to dig 50 years to find something remotely similar which just proves my point, which was that in no era of NBA had Tatum been the MVP just because his team has far more wins

[Wolfgang630]

I’m just lmao at ESPN pushing Tatum so much now. Their agenda is loud and clear and they don’t seem to talk about Luka much either.

[Woodsanity]

Gonna have to be SGA.

The Thunder are knocking on the door of 1st in the West. Dude is putting up godly numbers. Yeah Jokic is incredible, but share the wealth already. Nuggets have been good this year, but not incredible.

Odd you didnt have this sentiment when Bucks and Nuggets were first seed last season. Odd I wonder why.

[Woodsanity]

In the old days Tatum would’ve won mvp. Their record may end up being 7-10 games more than the Jokic, SGA, Giannis or Lukas teams.

Tatum is similar caliber to D Rose. In a very weak era he can win it just like Rose did. Remember Rose only major competition was Lebron and everyone hated him due to the Miami fiasco. You can say Dwight was competition also but people never respected Dwight.

In today's era Rose wouldn't even be in contention just like Tatum even with 60+ win team.

[vulture]

Tatum begging for the mvp is just sad to read. When you’re not as good as joker, SGA, luka or giannis all you can do is campaign in the media. Self awareness is important.

Did you even watch the press conference or did you just read the headline & come on here to vent ?
He was asked about the MVP race & he was referring to Windy using Tatum’s Finals series a couple of years ago as to why he wouldn’t pick him for MVP.
He wasn’t begging for the MVP. He just though that was unfair to use that against him & rightfully so.

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

[Woodsanity]

Tatum begging for the mvp is just sad to read. When you’re not as good as joker, SGA, luka or giannis all you can do is campaign in the media. Self awareness is important.

Did you even watch the press conference or did you just read the headline & come on here to vent ?
He was asked about the MVP race & he was referring to Windy using Tatum’s Finals series a couple of years ago as to why he wouldn’t pick him for MVP.
He wasn’t begging for the MVP. He just though that was unfair to use that against him & rightfully so.

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

Begging works as evidenced by last season but tatum is so far behind i dont see it working this time.

Tier 1

Jokic
SGA

Tier 2

Luka
Giannis




















Tier 3
Tatum and the rest

[vulture]

Did you even watch the press conference or did you just read the headline & come on here to vent ?
He was asked about the MVP race & he was referring to Windy using Tatum’s Finals series a couple of years ago as to why he wouldn’t pick him for MVP.
He wasn’t begging for the MVP. He just though that was unfair to use that against him & rightfully so.

Clearly you aren’t paying attention because his whole team is begging that he get the award. KP just did it last night.
We all know he’s not as good as any of the front runners so the Celtics are begging the media to create this narrative of best player on the best team.

It’s pathetic and sad to watch.

Begging works as evidenced by last season but tatum is so far behind i dont see it working this time.

Tier 1

Jokic
SGA

Tier 2

Luka
Giannis




















Tier 3
Tatum and the rest

I hope so but espn is already running with this narrative. We all know Marcus smart went on his media tour to win DPOY then the votes flipped.

The Celtics know how to play the media game and it seems to work.

[Champ1on]

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Its crazy to see Jokic has a 3 pt percentage very close to the other guards as a center. I'm also impressed by the numbers of rebounds Luka gets.

[Bob8]

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Its crazy to see Jokic has a 3 pt percentage very close to the other guards as a center. I'm also impressed by the numbers of rebounds Luka gets.

You might check number of attempts, Giannis 1.7; Jokic 2.9; SGA 3.2; Luka 10.3.

Luka is 2nd in 3 pts made, SGA 130th and Jokic 160th.

Assisted 3s, Jokic 75%, Giannis 52%, SGA 35%, Luka 30%.

Those numbers are not close.