Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[ORLMagicGirl15]

I don’t like giving up draft picks because you definite need smaller contracts on this team. I don’t know Memphis’ draft record but those picks can be moved and found in the hands of great scouts on other teams. Orlando got the better player but Memphis got the better assets.

[Magic_Johnny12]

"4 first round picks" is too general. The Orlando Magic trading 4 firsts for Bane is different than the Washington Wizards trading 4 firsts for Bane. Why don't people get that . A team missing one or two pieces has less use for those picks and the picks have less value.

It’s actually a little click baity

Orlando traded

#16 pick
‘26 FRP (unprotected and ability to swap w/PHX)
‘28 FRP (unprotected)
‘29 FRP (rights to swap)
‘30 FRP (unprotected)

The likely scenario here is:

#16
Pick range 14-20 (this has the chances to be lower lottery in absolute best case scenario).
Pick range 20-25
Likely not to convey
Pick range 20-25

Orlando is better on themselves and of course anything could happen, but when the last pick is due to Memphis Orlando’s core will be just entering their true prime.

[Effigy]

sorry if already discussed. i was out last week and want to check my thinking.

the handful of times I watched ORL last year, i thought their biggest issue was people playing outside of their roles due to the lack of a PG, or really any kind of facilitator to structure their offense and get people the ball in good situations. seemed like PB was having to do a lot of that. im sure you guys have already talked about how they needed perimeter shooting, and Bane addresses that. but i guess in my mind getting a facilitator to simplify PB's role and give their offense some reliable path in half court sets was even more important. am i totally off base? if not, is there a way for them to get there with these assets now gone for Bane? or are we still talking about the half court being "get the ball to PB somehow and see what happens"?

edit: want to add that I personally want ORL to be good. and i think they are a good PG away from being quite dangerous

I think it's important to remember that the off season hasn't really even begun. Just because Orlando doesn't have a PG upgrade now, doesn't mean it won't happen. They do still have some tradeable assets, including a first this year from Denver they could attach to Black or Isaac or whatever and try to get in a guy. What if they are able to get Jrue Holliday for instance? PG, realistically is the easiest position to fill. I think the Magic have a really good shot at getting an upgrade there. I wouldn't trash the deal just because they didn't solve every need with it. Especially with so much time still in the off season.

[Effigy]

Here is a list of every player the Magic have ever drafted with a first round pick that was #15 or later:

Stanley Roberts (1991)
Geert Hammink
Brooks Thompson
David Vaughn
Brian Evans
Johnny Taylor
Matt Harpring
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
Andrew Nicholson
Anzejs Pasecniks
Chuma Okeke
Cole Anthony (2020)

So the best late first round picks the Magic have EVER selected were probably...Courtney Lee and Cole Anthony. Yikes.

Yeah, give me Bane...

I will not stand for this Matt Harpring hate!

[MagicMadness]

Here is a list of every player the Magic have ever drafted with a first round pick that was #15 or later:

Stanley Roberts (1991)
Geert Hammink
Brooks Thompson
David Vaughn
Brian Evans
Johnny Taylor
Matt Harpring
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
Andrew Nicholson
Anzejs Pasecniks
Chuma Okeke
Cole Anthony (2020)

So the best late first round picks the Magic have EVER selected were probably...Courtney Lee and Cole Anthony. Yikes.

Yeah, give me Bane...

I will not stand for this Matt Harpring hate!

Good point, good point. Harpring had a run after we cut him loose.

[morosis]

sorry if already discussed. i was out last week and want to check my thinking.

the handful of times I watched ORL last year, i thought their biggest issue was people playing outside of their roles due to the lack of a PG, or really any kind of facilitator to structure their offense and get people the ball in good situations. seemed like PB was having to do a lot of that. im sure you guys have already talked about how they needed perimeter shooting, and Bane addresses that. but i guess in my mind getting a facilitator to simplify PB's role and give their offense some reliable path in half court sets was even more important. am i totally off base? if not, is there a way for them to get there with these assets now gone for Bane? or are we still talking about the half court being "get the ball to PB somehow and see what happens"?

edit: want to add that I personally want ORL to be good. and i think they are a good PG away from being quite dangerous

I think it's important to remember that the off season hasn't really even begun. Just because Orlando doesn't have a PG upgrade now, doesn't mean it won't happen. They do still have some tradeable assets, including a first this year from Denver they could attach to Black or Isaac or whatever and try to get in a guy. What if they are able to get Jrue Holliday for instance? PG, realistically is the easiest position to fill. I think the Magic have a really good shot at getting an upgrade there. I wouldn't trash the deal just because they didn't solve every need with it. Especially with so much time still in the off season.

thanks! and sorry if i wasn't clear. im not trashing the deal. seems to me they got a good young player that fits one of the two areas they needed to upgrade, without affecting their core. that seems good. idk what bane's value is or whether that was too much (or not enough) to give up for him. i was just curious if they could still get themselves someone to run their offense, either by trading rotation players or some other vehicle.

i guess i should have prefaced the question with: i dont really enjoy the cap and trade machinations the way a lot of you do. i enjoy the nba from the perspective of wanting to see really great teams compete and people chase their dreams. how players get to teams and all the drama that's involved with valuing those moves isnt particularly interesting to me (as long as its above board and benefits both teams and their fanbases for the timeline involved).

tl;dr - it seems based on what you said that there are still avenues for ORL to get someone to facilitate offense, even after giving up what they did for Bane. that makes me happy.

[Alatan]

For that package Orlando could get a better player. I dont know is Jamal Murray considered better than Bane but id gladly trade him for said package.

[Froob]

sorry if already discussed. i was out last week and want to check my thinking.

the handful of times I watched ORL last year, i thought their biggest issue was people playing outside of their roles due to the lack of a PG, or really any kind of facilitator to structure their offense and get people the ball in good situations. seemed like PB was having to do a lot of that. im sure you guys have already talked about how they needed perimeter shooting, and Bane addresses that. but i guess in my mind getting a facilitator to simplify PB's role and give their offense some reliable path in half court sets was even more important. am i totally off base? if not, is there a way for them to get there with these assets now gone for Bane? or are we still talking about the half court being "get the ball to PB somehow and see what happens"?

edit: want to add that I personally want ORL to be good. and i think they are a good PG away from being quite dangerous

I think it's important to remember that the off season hasn't really even begun. Just because Orlando doesn't have a PG upgrade now, doesn't mean it won't happen. They do still have some tradeable assets, including a first this year from Denver they could attach to Black or Isaac or whatever and try to get in a guy. What if they are able to get Jrue Holliday for instance? PG, realistically is the easiest position to fill. I think the Magic have a really good shot at getting an upgrade there. I wouldn't trash the deal just because they didn't solve every need with it. Especially with so much time still in the off season.

i’d be trying to package suggs and picks for white if I were them

[Wolveswin]

Magic and Grizzlies should have hammered out a trade of Banchero/Anthony/KCP for Morant/JJJ.

Magic team would have been best in East for many years.

WCJ
JJJ
Wagner
Suggs
Morant

[ibraheim718]

For that package Orlando could get a better player. I dont know is Jamal Murray considered better than Bane but id gladly trade him for said package.

He's not.

[ibraheim718]

sorry if already discussed. i was out last week and want to check my thinking.

the handful of times I watched ORL last year, i thought their biggest issue was people playing outside of their roles due to the lack of a PG, or really any kind of facilitator to structure their offense and get people the ball in good situations. seemed like PB was having to do a lot of that. im sure you guys have already talked about how they needed perimeter shooting, and Bane addresses that. but i guess in my mind getting a facilitator to simplify PB's role and give their offense some reliable path in half court sets was even more important. am i totally off base? if not, is there a way for them to get there with these assets now gone for Bane? or are we still talking about the half court being "get the ball to PB somehow and see what happens"?

edit: want to add that I personally want ORL to be good. and i think they are a good PG away from being quite dangerous

I think it's important to remember that the off season hasn't really even begun. Just because Orlando doesn't have a PG upgrade now, doesn't mean it won't happen. They do still have some tradeable assets, including a first this year from Denver they could attach to Black or Isaac or whatever and try to get in a guy. What if they are able to get Jrue Holliday for instance? PG, realistically is the easiest position to fill. I think the Magic have a really good shot at getting an upgrade there. I wouldn't trash the deal just because they didn't solve every need with it. Especially with so much time still in the off season.

i’d be trying to package suggs and picks for white if I were them

yeah no.

[wco81]

It'll be bad IF none of this works out and the Magic become a lottery team for the next 3-5 years, sure. But even then, we've got 4 young stars/quasi-stars that can be moved...for draft picks.

Not likely a lottery team unless there are catastrophic injuries.

But maybe just a treadmill team.

This core has been one and done in the playoffs the last two post-seasons.

Will Bane alone get them past the first and second round?

Maybe.

With injuries to other key EC contenders and expansion looming, it's hard to project out beyond 3 seasons.

[RookieStar]

Here is a list of every player the Magic have ever drafted with a first round pick that was #15 or later:

Stanley Roberts (1991)
Geert Hammink
Brooks Thompson
David Vaughn
Brian Evans
Johnny Taylor
Matt Harpring
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
Andrew Nicholson
Anzejs Pasecniks
Chuma Okeke
Cole Anthony (2020)

So the best late first round picks the Magic have EVER selected were probably...Courtney Lee and Cole Anthony. Yikes.

Yeah, give me Bane...

I will not stand for this Matt Harpring hate!

Good point, good point. Harpring had a run after we cut him loose.

As a former Magic Mod... how could you do the Sassinator dirty?

[djsunyc]

well whatever the case, the magic are definitely a better team going into next season so that's a win right now.

Not right now. For a long time. Why are we forgetting that Paolo, fran & suggs are still 23 and under lol. They magic are going to be good for a long time.

there will be tax implications next year so need to see if they keep everyone together

[AddiFB]

It'll be bad IF none of this works out and the Magic become a lottery team for the next 3-5 years, sure. But even then, we've got 4 young stars/quasi-stars that can be moved...for draft picks.

Not likely a lottery team unless there are catastrophic injuries.

But maybe just a treadmill team.

This core has been one and done in the playoffs the last two post-seasons.

Will Bane alone get them past the first and second round?

Maybe.

With injuries to other key EC contenders and expansion looming, it's hard to project out beyond 3 seasons.

One and done last two years? You talk like they've been together for 10 years and only made the first round the last two. Their core pieces are barely over the legal drinking age and these last two playoffs were against the Cavs and Celtics. Quite a hill for a very young team but they showed fight. They are just beginning.

[MagicMadness]

I will not stand for this Matt Harpring hate!

Good point, good point. Harpring had a run after we cut him loose.

As a former Magic Mod... how could you do the Sassinator dirty?

26 point explosion vs. the Celtics on Jan 26, 2003...

Never forget

[YogurtProducer]

Here's a list of players the Sixers have picked with #15 or later:

Jared McCain
David Roddy
Jaden Springer
Tyrese Maxey
Ty Jerome
Landry Shamet
Maurice Harkess
Nikola Vucevic
Jrue Holiday
Marreese Speights
Daequan Cook
Pettri Koponen
Jiri Welch
Sam Dalembert
Speedy Claxton

I guess if you're the Magic, those are the types of players you find outside the lottery. Other teams however . . .

That's not the point. The Magic core consists of players under 25, they have no room for more of that, especially late 1st, it's time to contend and let the organization see what they have. If they don't break through for the next 2-3 years then they could exit the era by trading their guys for picks in order to start over.

Well, other than they traded their 2028 1st, 2029 1st, and 2030 1st.

They're locked into win now moves now for the next 5 years.

[MagicMadness]

That's not the point. The Magic core consists of players under 25, they have no room for more of that, especially late 1st, it's time to contend and let the organization see what they have. If they don't break through for the next 2-3 years then they could exit the era by trading their guys for picks in order to start over.

Well, other than they traded their 2028 1st, 2029 1st, and 2030 1st.

They're locked into win now moves now for the next 5 years.

We have a 2029 1st.

It's just that it can be swapped with Memphis if our pick is better than theirs. We have a 2025, 2027, and 2029 1st.

I wouldn't even say we're locked in to 'win now' moves. If it's not working, any of Paolo, Wagner, Bane, or Suggs can be traded - just like Memphis traded Bane to us.

[3ddman23]

It'll be bad IF none of this works out and the Magic become a lottery team for the next 3-5 years, sure. But even then, we've got 4 young stars/quasi-stars that can be moved...for draft picks.

Not likely a lottery team unless there are catastrophic injuries.

But maybe just a treadmill team.

This core has been one and done in the playoffs the last two post-seasons.

Will Bane alone get them past the first and second round?

Maybe.

With injuries to other key EC contenders and expansion looming, it's hard to project out beyond 3 seasons.

This core has also been one of the youngest cores out of all the teams in the post season.

Look any Indy. Everyone loves to say how young they are but have 3 guys playing key contributing minutes who area lk around 30 years old in siakim, turner & McConnell.

Look at Houston, super young but had key role players around 30 playing heavy minutes in van vleet, Brooks & Adams

Look at Detroit super young but had key role players playing heavy minutes and winning games for them around 30 in Schroeder, harardway jr & Beasley.

The magic have had nothing like that the last 2 season. Aside from kcp (and we all know how dreadful he was this past season). This magic team has been solely lead by a youth movement with no strong veteran presence. They get a few vets to join on the margins that can contribute like on those other teams with this core, they are scary. Especially in the east.

[metalinguss]

Is JDub wearing AE1 or Harden?