2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

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Who will make the All Rookie 1st Team?

Brogdon
100
19%
Brown
25
5%
Chriss
43
8%
Embiid
94
18%
Ferrell
5
1%
WILLY Hernangomez
36
7%
Hield
64
12%
Ingram
14
3%
Murray
39
7%
Saric
106
20%
 
Total votes: 526

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#581 » by nomansland » Wed Dec 7, 2016 5:27 am

Here's the full vid.

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#582 » by Kabookalu » Wed Dec 7, 2016 6:34 am

Dude looks like Curry out there.

I wasn't that big on Murray's potential as a star. I thought he'd be a lot more like Bradley Beal, on the cusp of being an all star, just won't be. If he improves his ballhandling though I can see it. His shot making is ridiculous. He needs a stronger off hand once teams start taking him more seriously.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#583 » by PerkinsFor3 » Wed Dec 7, 2016 10:07 am

Choker wrote:Dude looks like Curry out there.

I wasn't that big on Murray's potential as a star. I thought he'd be a lot more like Bradley Beal, on the cusp of being an all star, just won't be. If he improves his ballhandling though I can see it. His shot making is ridiculous. He needs a stronger off hand once teams start taking him more seriously.


Curry? Pump the brakes a bit.

Reminds me more of Lou Williams.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#584 » by Kabookalu » Wed Dec 7, 2016 11:36 am

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Choker wrote:Dude looks like Curry out there.

I wasn't that big on Murray's potential as a star. I thought he'd be a lot more like Bradley Beal, on the cusp of being an all star, just won't be. If he improves his ballhandling though I can see it. His shot making is ridiculous. He needs a stronger off hand once teams start taking him more seriously.


Curry? Pump the brakes a bit.

Reminds me more of Lou Williams.


I'm talking about style of play. Quick release, step back 3's, can shoot it off balance.




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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#585 » by nomansland » Wed Dec 7, 2016 10:56 pm

Not the first time I've heard that comparison with respect to shooting form and accuracy. Obviously Murray still has a long way to go before he gets close to Curry's orbit.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#586 » by baldur » Thu Dec 8, 2016 8:45 am

would you say malcolm brogdon is the steal of the draft so far?
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#587 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Dec 8, 2016 2:44 pm

baldur wrote:would you say malcolm brogdon is the steal of the draft so far?


Yea, he's been awesome. I don't have any doubts that if the Bucks needed it he could give them 30 minutes a night.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#588 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Dec 8, 2016 3:40 pm

Jaylen Brown had a good night yesterday. 13 points on 5-8 shooting, including one vicious dunk on Vucevic:

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#589 » by Snotbubbles » Thu Dec 8, 2016 6:21 pm

cruwinas wrote:Domantas Sabonis, kid is getting better.

Right know he is ranking 6-7 in 3PT% among ALL NBA players:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points

First year in Gonzaga he took 0 shots, made 0 too.
Second year he took 14, made 5. It was more like "let's try, and , yeah, sometimes I can hit them".

First year in NBA, after quarter of the season sampling size is impressive: 22-49, almost 45%.

I've been watching kid since he was 15. Initial impression - his game is ugly, but interesting. Very quick, but very raw, all points in the paint, dominant rebounder for his natural PF position. Shot FT with 50% "accuracy", and was very unhappy with that. His father told him to relax. "Shaq was always shooting 50%", didn't hurt him much ;)".

Second year in Gonzaga he was for a long time well above 80% in FT%.

Cause Primo had surgery last year Bulldogs played without a C, mostly it was a combo of Domas and Wiltjer. It was agood combo - Wiltjer terrorizing from outside, Domas - a demolition force inside. Some Domas numbers in his last season with Gonzaga:

12/19/15 GU - Tennessee, w 86-79, Domas 36/16
1/21/16 Gu at San Fran, w 102-94 (OT), Domas with team high in points 35, rebounds 14 and assists - 4.

Couple rebounding exploits from that season: 11/23/15 best high 20, 4 times 17, 4 times 16.

Domas got lucky to end up in OKC. He is playing with Westbrook, who is just too much for any team to handle. Naturally, Domas role have changed. He mostly is floating around three line, creating more space for Russ, Adams and monster from the bench Kanter in the paint. Offensively his role is the one he never had before, and so far he is able to do his job pretty well.

But he is pretty watch on the defense. Always moves, defends well in one on one situations and so one.

Conclusion: in the last 4-5 years Domas showed a very steep improvement in all areas of bball. What impresses me most - improvement in FT% and 3PT%. A simple recipe to achieve that - take a lot of them before the practice, after, or anytime anywhere.

Interesting thing: third year in row Domas play's different role, and does that pretty successfully. I was not expecting that. At first I thought that kid didn't have a shooters touch. It's sooo good sometimes to be wrong :)


Wonder what the cut-off is to qualify. Joel Embiid is 19-38 (50%) from 3's this year but isn't listed. Iman Shumpert has 49 attempts but is listed.
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Re: RE: Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#590 » by HeJind » Fri Dec 9, 2016 2:58 pm

Snotbubbles wrote:
cruwinas wrote:Domantas Sabonis, kid is getting better.

Right know he is ranking 6-7 in 3PT% among ALL NBA players:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points

First year in Gonzaga he took 0 shots, made 0 too.
Second year he took 14, made 5. It was more like "let's try, and , yeah, sometimes I can hit them".

First year in NBA, after quarter of the season sampling size is impressive: 22-49, almost 45%.

I've been watching kid since he was 15. Initial impression - his game is ugly, but interesting. Very quick, but very raw, all points in the paint, dominant rebounder for his natural PF position. Shot FT with 50% "accuracy", and was very unhappy with that. His father told him to relax. "Shaq was always shooting 50%", didn't hurt him much ;)".

Second year in Gonzaga he was for a long time well above 80% in FT%.

Cause Primo had surgery last year Bulldogs played without a C, mostly it was a combo of Domas and Wiltjer. It was agood combo - Wiltjer terrorizing from outside, Domas - a demolition force inside. Some Domas numbers in his last season with Gonzaga:

12/19/15 GU - Tennessee, w 86-79, Domas 36/16
1/21/16 Gu at San Fran, w 102-94 (OT), Domas with team high in points 35, rebounds 14 and assists - 4.

Couple rebounding exploits from that season: 11/23/15 best high 20, 4 times 17, 4 times 16.

Domas got lucky to end up in OKC. He is playing with Westbrook, who is just too much for any team to handle. Naturally, Domas role have changed. He mostly is floating around three line, creating more space for Russ, Adams and monster from the bench Kanter in the paint. Offensively his role is the one he never had before, and so far he is able to do his job pretty well.

But he is pretty watch on the defense. Always moves, defends well in one on one situations and so one.

Conclusion: in the last 4-5 years Domas showed a very steep improvement in all areas of bball. What impresses me most - improvement in FT% and 3PT%. A simple recipe to achieve that - take a lot of them before the practice, after, or anytime anywhere.

Interesting thing: third year in row Domas play's different role, and does that pretty successfully. I was not expecting that. At first I thought that kid didn't have a shooters touch. It's sooo good sometimes to be wrong :)


Wonder what the cut-off is to qualify. Joel Embiid is 19-38 (50%) from 3's this year but isn't listed. Iman Shumpert has 49 attempts but is listed.

Believe you need to be on pace for 81 makes. Sixers are 5-18, so he'd need 23 makes right now I believe.

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Re: RE: Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#591 » by cruwinas » Fri Dec 9, 2016 5:09 pm

HeJind wrote:
Believe you need to be on pace for 81 makes. Sixers are 5-18, so he'd need 23 makes right now I believe.

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Yep.

At least one make per game. And maybe certain percentage of games played. Or just on the pace for 82 makes in a season.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#592 » by The Rebel » Fri Dec 9, 2016 5:40 pm

PerkinsFor3 wrote:
Choker wrote:Dude looks like Curry out there.

I wasn't that big on Murray's potential as a star. I thought he'd be a lot more like Bradley Beal, on the cusp of being an all star, just won't be. If he improves his ballhandling though I can see it. His shot making is ridiculous. He needs a stronger off hand once teams start taking him more seriously.


Curry? Pump the brakes a bit.

Reminds me more of Lou Williams.


When has Williams ever even tried on defense, not to mention when has he ever made his teammates better?
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Re: RE: Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#593 » by Sixerscan » Fri Dec 9, 2016 6:10 pm

cruwinas wrote:
HeJind wrote:
Believe you need to be on pace for 81 makes. Sixers are 5-18, so he'd need 23 makes right now I believe.

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Yep.

At least one make per game. And maybe certain percentage of games played. Or just on the pace for 82 makes in a season.


It's just one make per team game played. Which is the same as on pace for 82 makes I guess.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#594 » by magnumt » Fri Dec 9, 2016 9:14 pm

The Rebel wrote:
PerkinsFor3 wrote:
Choker wrote:Dude looks like Curry out there.

I wasn't that big on Murray's potential as a star. I thought he'd be a lot more like Bradley Beal, on the cusp of being an all star, just won't be. If he improves his ballhandling though I can see it. His shot making is ridiculous. He needs a stronger off hand once teams start taking him more seriously.


Curry? Pump the brakes a bit.

Reminds me more of Lou Williams.


When has Williams ever even tried on defense, not to mention when has he ever made his teammates better?


I agree.

IMO, I see more of a Jrue Holiday type to his game/progression. :dontknow:

Maybe even a bit of Billups potential at his peak if he keeps improving his perimeter game.

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#595 » by Alex DeLarge » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:30 am

Murray = Devin Booker.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#596 » by CoreyGallagher » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:50 am

Alex DeLarge wrote:Murray = Devin Booker.

Murray seems to be a better 3 point shooter, Booker a better volume scorer.

Booker hasn't been much of a 3 point threat since prior to AS break last season, but has shown to possess capability of scoring in bunches.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#597 » by Alonzo_Morning » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:29 pm

Get Mr Diallo some help

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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#598 » by Jon1798 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:50 pm

Man, Diallo looked awesome.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#599 » by GimmeDat » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:58 am

Diallo is undersized bit he's athletic, long, and is full of energy. Good to see him knocking down some jumpers as well. He'll be a good rotation big in this league.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#600 » by Dan Z » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:20 am

Alonzo_Morning wrote:Get Mr Diallo some help




Why didn't he go higher in the draft?

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