Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[chrismikayla]

I know this doesnt fit the mold of gloom and doom, but this doctor in NY explains the virus in a calm and reassuring way. It's interesting he says that as far as person to person transmission, it has to be close and ongoing contact for several minutes or more. He mentions this at around the 6 minute mark. He also says that hands that are contaminated to the face is by far the most common mode of transmission,

https://vimeo.com/399733860

[LKN]

Spoiler:

If you lose your job make sure you sign up for COBRA if you can (you don't have to pay for something like 45-90 days after you sign up). They are unfortunately not going to re-open ACA enrollment. Be aware that if you are hospitalized for COVID-19 the bill will likely be 5 figures (possibly well into 5 figures). Not intending for this to start a political debate - just a PSA as I want everyone here to stay healthy (physically and financially).

Note that several states who run their own exchanges HAVE reopened their enrollment periods. If I can find the list I'll post it here. I'd advise anyone who is able to at least sign up for a lower cost plan. If you end up in the ICU the bill will be huge.

Edit: I've added added a list of states and deadlines that are currently allowing sign ups.

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If you're financially strapped, my personal opinion is just don't pay the medical bill. It's possible they'll have some forgiveness for it later. Having 10 million people filing bankruptcy would cost more than helping people stay on track financially.

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I think this is good advice - feeding your family and having a place to live should come first.

[LKN]

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

Interesting. I'm on many different sports forums and anymore most are overtaken with Coronavirus threads. I've mostly lurked here but I've noticed that, more then any other board, this one seems to really be pushing the fear side of this virus. Now, I have no idea if that's because of the specific posters here or if it's the people in charge wanting things more intense/fear driven, but it also seems to be a little bit much because of that. Like, this thing is obviously a scary threat but the fact that some posters can basically say everyone is going to die and get away with it, then the very next poster will reply with " I think we will be fine "..only to get bashed.

The truth is both sides of that spectrum are wrong. The guy saying "this will be a blood bath " is just as bad as the guy saying " we will be fine".... Don't let fear control your life people. Seriously, we are all fighting this together and if you let fear control you at every step during this you're going to get destroyed. Turn CNN off and breath. Trust me.

Counterpoint - those advising everyone to take this seriously have been almost 100% right on this since this beginning. I hate to break it to you, but people saying "this will be a blood bath" are probably correct (depending on what your definition of a blood bath is). The people saying "we will be fine" have already been proven horribly wrong and should be ignored.

Maybe the issue is that people just don't intuitively understand exponential growth - I'm not sure.

I don't think anyone wants people to live in fear (or panic anyone)... but one of the main reasons why are in such a bad spot right now is because people across the country weren't nearly scared enough (including elected officials). This is still continuing in many areas as I post this.

A little fear actually might help promote more responsible behavior and keep more people alive and in good health.

[Stillwater]

http://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/nyc-emergency-room-doctor-on-battling-coronavirus-81450053695
posting it again in case you missed it, or ignored me...all Americans should absolutely watch this video cause it's coming to your area next
if nothing else watch what he says starting at 1:10

[LKN]

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[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

We dropped the ball on keeping the death total low, it's too late for that. It's going to be between 1-200k at a minimum.

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Yes I am so confused. People talking like the best case scenario is the worst case scenario. And that is why there is such a big problem. It is called denial. And the sooner respect is shown to science and facts the more lives saved. So at some point fact deniers need to start to be called out for being dangerous. This is the rosey kid glove approach.

[homecourtloss]

Forced to go back home. Not welcome.

India racked by greatest exodus since partition due to coronavirus

“The road seemed endless, we had no money for food and my children just took short breaks sleeping on the ground,” she said. But gritting her teeth and pushing hunger and exhaustion away, Mamta kept on walking.

It would take her six-person family almost five days on foot to make the 125-mile journey from Gurgaon, a satellite city to the capital, Delhi, to their village, Sidamai in Uttar Pradesh, as part of an exodus of millions of migrant workers and families last week unlike anything seen in India since partition.

“The only thing that kept us moving was that we had nowhere else to go,” said Mamta. “But even though we have arrived in the village we have no money for food. I don’t know how we will survive. Hunger will kill us before coronavirus does.”

“My work has totally stopped so I have no money to survive and I have not eaten since yesterday, so that is why I needed to go back,” said Rama. “But I was not the only one. The bus station was full of people like me, desperate to get out, and it was like hell.

“There were crowds and everyone was being crushed and pulling each other out of the way, there was so much violence and police were charging at us with lathis [wooden rods].”

He added: “For buses that had seats [for] 100 people, 200 people would be trying to cram in, people were sitting on top of the bus and hanging out of the windows. We were all desperate to leave because we cannot survive in Delhi under this lockdown.”

Migrant workers who have made it to their villages have often found they are no longer welcome.

In several villages in Bihar and Jharkhand, villagers put up barricades at the entry points and hung posters, warning the migrants against entering the village before a health check.

“We took this decision as outsiders’ entry to the village could put everyone’s life at risk,” said Umesh Singh, 60, a schoolteacher from the village of Baniya-Yadupur in Bihar. “This is very dangerous time and we can’t ignore this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/india-wracked-by-greatest-exodus-since-partition-due-to-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw

Over 500 Nepali migrant workers stranded on border
https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/over-500-nepali-migrant-workers-stranded-on-border/

“We walked for days to reach here (Darchula) after businesses closed down in India. We’re stuck as the suspension bridge for crossing over to Nepal is closed,” said Padam Dhami of Baitadi’s Purchaudi Municipality. “SSB said they would allow us to cross over, but it’s unfortunate that the Nepali side didn’t open the bridge,” he said.

Stranded Nepalis have been shouting slogans, saying, ”Open the border and take back your citizens”. They demanded that they be allowed to return home as they were trapped in the lockdown imposed by both the countries. Darchula police took a person under control after he swam across the river into Nepal this morning.

“Efforts are under way to set up quarantine by local levels and manage vehicles to bring them in,” said Poudel. He said a meeting of the High-level Coordination Committee to prevent coronavirus had already decided to rescue stranded Nepalis.

Puts a lot of things in perspective, man.

[nymets1]

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

A 2nd wave would come from easing restrictions and people falsely assuming the virus is gone, and once we enter summer that means the Southern Hemisphere is in their winter. The virus is everywhere now so it can come back after the summer, assuming the weather slows it down. They're modeling the idea of first and second waves after the flu, which dies down in the summer and comes back in the fall because of each hemisphere enters a different season.

If Southern Hemisphere is in Summer now, Don't they go to fall next? USA goes from winter to spring to summer to fall.

[Stillwater]

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

A 2nd wave would come from easing restrictions and people falsely assuming the virus is gone, and once we enter summer that means the Southern Hemisphere is in their winter. The virus is everywhere now so it can come back after the summer, assuming the weather slows it down. They're modeling the idea of first and second waves after the flu, which dies down in the summer and comes back in the fall because of each hemisphere enters a different season.

If Southern Hemisphere is in Summer now, Don't they go to fall next? USA goes from winter to spring to summer to fall.

Correct me if I am wrong but havent the experts been suggesting other Coronavirus' as comparisons are not seasonal like influenza and it has already been debunked that heat and humidity are covid-19 stoppers even if it does last longer on inside surfaces where people spend a lot more time in winter months.

[nymets1]

I watch the news and these white house briefings hoping somebody would ask my question: How many people do you think have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases? So I tweeted that to MSNBC and FOXNEWS. I would say at least 1 million USA residents have caught it and have recovered that are not confirmed cases.

[homecourtloss]

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

Unfortunately, the bolded are true.

[Gomagic44]

I asked my CEO today about my test. Am I one of the 6 pending in lake county florida? She says maybe they lost it. I doubt the virus is still present in my body. So there is a lost statistic. Now I'm asking her where I should drive to get a negative result in less than the week I've been waiting for my positive result. Or do they not delay/lose my negative result?

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[basketballRob]

I watch the news and these white house briefings hoping somebody would ask my question: How many people do you think have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases? So I tweeted that to MSNBC and FOXNEWS. I would say at least 1 million USA residents have caught it and have recovered that are not confirmed cases.

Fauci did talk about how it may have been growing without us noticing for a while. That's what they believe happened in NY. I'm assuming that they were ruling deaths as pneumonia or something else before.

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[Stillwater]

I watch the news and these white house briefings hoping somebody would ask my question: How many people do you think have caught the virus and have recovered that are not confirmed cases? So I tweeted that to MSNBC and FOXNEWS. I would say at least 1 million USA residents have caught it and have recovered that are not confirmed cases.

More likely several millions are carriers already that have been untested and spreading it with no symptoms yet key word being yet ...because of the lag in symptomatic response to the point many who tested positive with minor symptoms and then later cleared after having no more symptoms and are saying they feel fine still carry traces of the contagion and can reemerge with the true wrath of symptoms from it coming a long time after initial diagnosis.
Hope I am wrong but the briefing today said they expect 100-200,000 deaths within the next 2 weeks alone based on NY data.

[BlazersBroncos]

Is it just me or is every case of a young person who has died from this disease headlined 'no health issues' then accompanied by a picture of someone who is clearly morbidly obese? When are we going to accept that this virus decimated large people and start a national discussion about our 40% obesity rate. Would we talk about it if 40% of America had a 10+ drink per day diet? Yes. But obesity is just swept under the rug as a valid, national crisis. Its just too taboo to speak about because it hurts feelings.

This is going to utterly destroy poor, condensed minority communities because they are overwhelmingly obese. And while we need to frame this as partially due to lack of access and money in those communities, that doesn't relinquish the fact that obesity will be the primary factor in these community destructions. Its so silly that talking about lack of health care accessibility is fine (Rightfully so), but speak up about minority eating habits and your gatekept out the door. It isn't a zero sum game.

Yes, some young people in relative health will die as outliers. And that's terrible. But the majority will be people who are obese. The VAST majority.

[Stillwater]

Is it just me or is every case of a young person who has died from this disease headlined 'no health issues' then accompanied by a picture of someone who is clearly morbidly obese? When are we going to accept that this virus decimated large people and start a national discussion about our 40% obesity rate. Would we talk about it if 40% of America had a 10+ drink per day diet? Yes. But obesity is just swept under the rug as a valid, national crisis. Its just too taboo to speak about because it hurts feelings.

This is going to utterly destroy poor, condensed minority communities because they are overwhelmingly obese. And while we need to frame this as partially due to lack of access and money in those communities, that doesn't relinquish the fact that obesity will be the primary factor in these community destructions. Its so silly that talking about lack of health care accessibility is fine (Rightfully so), but speak up about minority eating habits and your gatekept out the door. It isn't a zero sum game.

Yes, some young people in relative health will die as outliers. And that's terrible. But the majority will be people who are obese. The VAST majority.

Most overweight people have high blood pressure so unless they are not mentioning it as "other health issues" then it skews the picture on the data given the way this virus is attacking just that.

[Courtside]

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

It's a f88king pandemic. What you call good news or best case scenarios is really just false hope, which is dangerous, and ultimately functions like reckless encouragement for people to not take this seriously enough. No one is cheering for the damn virus.

[basketballRob]

I asked my CEO today about my test. Am I one of the 6 pending in lake county florida? She says maybe they lost it. I doubt the virus is still present in my body. So there is a lost statistic. Now I'm asking her where I should drive to get a negative result in less than the week I've been waiting for my positive result. Or do they not delay/lose my negative result?

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Doesn't surprise me they lost your test.

Sorry I know you wanted it for peace of mind.

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[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

The popular mood/tide/trend in this thread is to focus on worst case scenarios and negative news.

I don't know why that is. Honestly. It's sad though.

Of course we should look at worst case scenarios but we should also consider best case scenarios and every scenario in between.

It's like some people are rooting for the virus. I don't think they even realize they are doing it, but they seem biased toward the bad happening.

Meanwhile, we are at in fact around 42,006 worldwide deaths and 3,779 deaths in the U.S.

One could argue that with social distancing, increased awareness, medical treatment advances, increased supply manufacturing, etc. that we MIGHT be able to contain this thing and likely keep deaths WAY BELOW the estimates from a couple weeks ago (where many were saying millions of deaths).

But, as you've noticed, pointing out potential good news is not popular here. The good news is, people are working tirelessly to keep the death count low and what those on the sidelines say is just noise. Including this post.

It's a f88king pandemic. What you call good news or best case scenarios is really just false hope, and ultimately acts like reckless encouragement for people to not take this seriously enough. No one is cheering for the damn virus.

Its a combination on maybe over medication of a society? Govt officials lying and not giving adequate warnings and/or truth. Political positions that interfere with logic and defy reason? Faith in something something? At some point we have to call it out. It is dangerous and adding to the death count.

[Ayt]

Have the flu bros pivoted to complaining that this thread is too "doom and gloom?"