twyzted wrote:I must admit, i just missunderstood, im tired been awake for far to long.
There isnt anything wrong with it.
It's nice that you admitted it, I appreciate that.
Yeah mayby, im just used to using the cold hard numbers i.e 30 wins are 30 wins regardless of srs win pace.
Probably, which is why we should have discussions to understand our points of view better, instead of calling posters biased.
No but dws and dbpm are better for Jordan, oakley has -0.1dbpm.
You may disagree with me, but I don't find boxscore composite useful to evaluate defense at all. I don't think they have any predictive value and the methodology is all over the place and completely arbitrary.
Not to say that Oakley was a better defender - I don't have a strong opinion about it, but we have to acknowledge that Jordan "anchored" one strong defense throughout his first 5 years in the league.
I havent seen any of these signals/numbers, that is not because of lack of trying.
We have none for 1988 unfortunately (though I don't remember if Squared shared 1988 RAPM stuides or not), but we do have samples from different seasons like 1986 or 1994. They are inconclusive for 1988 in my opinion, but it doesn't mean we should just ignore them.
Him and kwame were the only additions.
Ok, so you presented an argument that Jordan was underrated in his first year in Washington. That's good, it's always good to broaden the perspective.
But 13 game sample for kyrie and love is sufficient.
I don't think it is, but in their case we also have on/off numbers and they don't look pretty.
Im bias and i can admit it, but im not even close to some of the posters in that thread.
Then ignore their input and focus on the rest of discussion.
Just like 10 game sample.
Ok, but you picked the 10 games sample to prove your point, not to find any signal.
Not everything is low level, many posts were very good(even who didnt vote for jordan).
I'm glad you said that, so why do you think a few posters destroyed the whole credibility of the project? Do you think James has absolutely no case under no criteria to be ranked first?
I could but im not that invested in this.
So you work with pre-assumption, not with theory backed up with evidences.
Well mayby, but this is what i dont get. There was no mention of players helping Lebron, but every player on the bulls is painted as a perfect fit.
You could try to discuss it, but instead you decided to ignore the discussion.
But thats the thing it wasnt a discussion imo, it was a few guys having a tantrum because someone voted for Jordan. They were activly trying to disprove a guys vote, the only discussion about f.i Lebron was just praise. Same thing happened with dutch.
Look i dont have anything against voting for Lebron/kaj/bill/wilt but the criteria seems to be very loose for Lebron, others get punished for things that Lebron doesnt.
Well yeah, when someone makes a case for one player and you strongly disagree with his argumentation, you try to prove it wrong. Exactly the same thing is happening with Hakeem or Duncan now, it doesn't mean there is no discussion.
There is no discussion when two people agree with everything, but when they don't then the exchange is necessary. I've been challenging some posters takes all the time in this project, not because it's an anti-X player tantrum, but because I want to show different point of view and learn more about the process.
