Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[OrlandoDream]

Yeah you don't get how cap works and what orlando needs.

I understand how the cap works - Allocating 90+% of it to Suggs/Bane/Franz/Paolo is not a great thing (plus $15M to Issac, and $18M to WCJ).

Orlando has 8 FRP in the next 7 drafts. Two alone this draft. We are not bringing in TWO rookies next season. This is the offseason to make moves and start unloading some of those picks for now impact players.

No disagreement here - but Bane is not the guy you should have been moving excess picks for. By moving the 2028 and 2030 picks, you not cannot trade your own first between 2027 and 2031 - in the time where you are going to be so cap crunched you will need flexibility - and now you have none.

Your futre pick situation is now:

2025 #25
2027 1st (cannot trade as locked)
2029 1st (worst of ORL and MEM)
2031 1st (cannot trade as locked).

But hey - at least you locked all future flexibility for DESMOND BANE

Trade value based on "all star" title is stupid. Desmond Bane has been putting numbers the last 3 years better then some players in the all star game this year (Herro, Garland, Jdub). He is everything Orlando needs, AND we were able to keep Suggs?!? ANy trade for a "all star" like Trae Young(inflated contract) would cost Orlando Jalen Suggs and that is something we're not willing to do.

Sure - you named 3 other guys who are not true stars either.

Orlando had two ways to improve the roster. Give up Suggs and minimal picks for an upgrade backcourt player or keep their trio intact and use the plethora of picks we have. The front office believes in this young trio and has now added Bane for shooting, playmaking, and offensive punch.

Bane is not going to be adding much to this squad. He put up nice numbers as the #1 option on a bad MEM team last year, and now is the 3rd option on a ORL team who sucks offensively and he is DEFINITELY not the answer to improve there.

You brought up Trae, and in all honesty he would have been a much better get for you guys as a great defensive team who could take on a guy like Trae to give you 25-30ppg an 10apg and run your offense while everyone else covered up for him. Instead you added more of the same.

Bane is a good player, but I think its a bad trade to give up so much and cap so much flexibility for a guy who is just another guy who won't make an all-star game.

Your reaching and making assumptions 5-6 years our like this team and front office is just going to stay pat and not making any moves for the next half decade? Be realistic. Im not worried about "flexibility" and giving up picks. This is the core we are sticking to for the next 4-5 years. Those late 20s picks mean little to us. Jeff Weltman lit said in an interview today that NBA agent called him to draft a player in upcoming draft and agent had concern on how that player would get playing time. If the time comes, we have other tradeable assets outside the core 4 that can net picks or other rotation players. Again, weltman said in interview today that before pulling plug for Bane there were talks with other teams for other young players (Anthony Black, Da SIlva, etc). Orlando has plenty of flexibility outside the core 4.

Saying Trae young would be better option contradicts your statement. Your telling me that we should have gone all in (Suggs included) for that Trae Young and give up Suggs (best defender) and picks for a literal cone in the backcourt. Were a top 2 defensive team. Thats our identity. Yes, trade is talented and his shooting and playmaking and pushing pace would help but not for 50+ extension and giving up Suggs.

You are criminally underrating Bane. Dude avg 21/5/5/ last 3 years. Orlando doesn't need a full time traditional PG. The ball needs to be in Paolo and Franz hands most of the time for them to create and become better decision makers. They know have a stud wing in bane to handle the ball, make plays, and be a lights-out sniper. Hes also an underrated defender. Saying he wont add much is just ignorant statement and shows you watched very little on his game.

Time will tell who is right. All I know Id rather have Bane with Paolo and Suggs then have over 100+ tied up to Barnes, Quickley and Ingram Good luck with that one.


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[JujitsuFlip]

Michael Scotto said Magic declined the team options on Joseph and Harris to make the trade work.

I assume it's to get out of the 2nd apron, it's about $11 million combined.

[Wolveswin]

Suggs for Garland makes more sense now for sure.

[durden_tyler]

Suggs for Garland makes more sense now for sure.

i think the Magic will want to retain their identity (defense) and obviously, offense is improved with Bane on deck. Getting Garland is not a necessity now and they'd prefer to keep Suggs who is the better two-way player than Garland.

[iamoti]

Congrats Magic. You just **** up the trade market.

[orlando_joe]

It'll be bad IF none of this works out and the Magic become a lottery team for the next 3-5 years, sure. But even then, we've got 4 young stars/quasi-stars that can be moved...for draft picks.

Not likely a lottery team unless there are catastrophic injuries.

But maybe just a treadmill team.

This core has been one and done in the playoffs the last two post-seasons.

Will Bane alone get them past the first and second round?

Maybe.

With injuries to other key EC contenders and expansion looming, it's hard to project out beyond 3 seasons.

One and done last two years? You talk like they've been together for 10 years and only made the first round the last two. Their core pieces are barely over the legal drinking age and these last two playoffs were against the Cavs and Celtics. Quite a hill for a very young team but they showed fight. They are just beginning.

no mention of them missing suggs best defender and starting pg...or mo wagner who was in running for 6th man and best bench scorer

[Blue_and_Whte]

Yeah you don't get how cap works and what orlando needs.

I understand how the cap works - Allocating 90+% of it to Suggs/Bane/Franz/Paolo is not a great thing (plus $15M to Issac, and $18M to WCJ).

Orlando has 8 FRP in the next 7 drafts. Two alone this draft. We are not bringing in TWO rookies next season. This is the offseason to make moves and start unloading some of those picks for now impact players.

No disagreement here - but Bane is not the guy you should have been moving excess picks for. By moving the 2028 and 2030 picks, you not cannot trade your own first between 2027 and 2031 - in the time where you are going to be so cap crunched you will need flexibility - and now you have none.

Your futre pick situation is now:

2025 #25
2027 1st (cannot trade as locked)
2029 1st (worst of ORL and MEM)
2031 1st (cannot trade as locked).

But hey - at least you locked all future flexibility for DESMOND BANE

Trade value based on "all star" title is stupid. Desmond Bane has been putting numbers the last 3 years better then some players in the all star game this year (Herro, Garland, Jdub). He is everything Orlando needs, AND we were able to keep Suggs?!? ANy trade for a "all star" like Trae Young(inflated contract) would cost Orlando Jalen Suggs and that is something we're not willing to do.

Sure - you named 3 other guys who are not true stars either.

Orlando had two ways to improve the roster. Give up Suggs and minimal picks for an upgrade backcourt player or keep their trio intact and use the plethora of picks we have. The front office believes in this young trio and has now added Bane for shooting, playmaking, and offensive punch.

Bane is not going to be adding much to this squad. He put up nice numbers as the #1 option on a bad MEM team last year, and now is the 3rd option on a ORL team who sucks offensively and he is DEFINITELY not the answer to improve there.

You brought up Trae, and in all honesty he would have been a much better get for you guys as a great defensive team who could take on a guy like Trae to give you 25-30ppg an 10apg and run your offense while everyone else covered up for him. Instead you added more of the same.

Bane is a good player, but I think its a bad trade to give up so much and cap so much flexibility for a guy who is just another guy who won't make an all-star game.

Your reaching and making assumptions 5-6 years our like this team and front office is just going to stay pat and not making any moves for the next half decade? Be realistic. Im not worried about "flexibility" and giving up picks. This is the core we are sticking to for the next 4-5 years. Those late 20s picks mean little to us. Jeff Weltman lit said in an interview today that NBA agent called him to draft a player in upcoming draft and agent had concern on how that player would get playing time. If the time comes, we have other tradeable assets outside the core 4 that can net picks or other rotation players. Again, weltman said in interview today that before pulling plug for Bane there were talks with other teams for other young players (Anthony Black, Da SIlva, etc). Orlando has plenty of flexibility outside the core 4.

Saying Trae young would be better option contradicts your statement. Your telling me that we should have gone all in (Suggs included) for that Trae Young and give up Suggs (best defender) and picks for a literal cone in the backcourt. Were a top 2 defensive team. Thats our identity. Yes, trade is talented and his shooting and playmaking and pushing pace would help but not for 50+ extension and giving up Suggs.

You are criminally underrating Bane. Dude avg 21/5/5/ last 3 years. Orlando doesn't need a full time traditional PG. The ball needs to be in Paolo and Franz hands most of the time for them to create and become better decision makers. They know have a stud wing in bane to handle the ball, make plays, and be a lights-out sniper. Hes also an underrated defender. Saying he wont add much is just ignorant statement and shows you watched very little on his game.

Time will tell who is right. All I know Id rather have Bane with Paolo and Suggs then have over 100+ tied up to Barnes, Quickley and Ingram Good luck with that one.


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Anyone who thinks this is a “bad trade” for either team is clueless. They weren’t going to throw that at a 36 yo KD on the last year of a contract. Their draft capital which includes #16, and two late firsts, wasn’t going to elevate the team within the timeline they wanted, especially when they already have 3 young guys struggling to get consistent PT.

[FlatearthZorro]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

[basketballRob]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Bane is way better than Brown in analytics. Bane also provides what the Magic needs. Brown's contract is way higher. Brown makes $53m and Bane makes $36m next season.


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[lethalizer]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Considering their contract situations, I'm pretty sure Brown would not net more picks than Bane.

This is the thing the fans kinda overlook, people cite deals like the Mikal trade and the Bane trade and think, "oh I can get a much better haul for my player". No, even if you think Brown is a better player in a vacuum, him making 53, 57, 61 and 65 million dollars over the next 4 seasons is a value killer looking at it from a GM standpoint.

Bane at his peak salary in 2028-29 will make 10 million less than Brown's 2025-26 salary.

That's important. Brown's current salary is that of a franchise player at the moment, which he is not. Bane is making 3rd option money, which he is.

[YogurtProducer]

Anyone who thinks this is a “bad trade” for either team is clueless. They weren’t going to throw that at a 36 yo KD on the last year of a contract. Their draft capital which includes #16, and two late firsts, wasn’t going to elevate the team within the timeline they wanted, especially when they already have 3 young guys struggling to get consistent PT.

There is a lot of assumptions of "late firsts" here. 2028 and 2030 is a long time from now.

The problem isn't the movement of draft capital - the problem is moving significant draft capital and locking your team in for a guy who is not fundamentally changing the fortunes of the Magic. You went from a first round exit to a second round exit now?

I still have Cleveland, New York, and Indian firmly ahead of Orlando. Then you have Tatumless Boston who is likely still superior. MIL still has Giannis, and a team like Detroit played like a 50-win team for a significant chunk of last year.

Hell even some teams below you are worrisome. You have the Hawks (who won a whopping 2 less games than you last year) bringing back Jalen Johnson, TOR who had horrible health also bringing in Ingram and #9, and the Sixers who for all their faults is a team with Maxey/PG/Embiid/#2 who could easily surpass 50 wins again in 25/26.

So Orlando still might not even be a home court advantage team, who sold a ton of draft capital and cannot trade a 1st until 2032, and has 109M locked up next year in Bane/Franz/Suggs with Paolo due for an extension in 26/27.

So yes - this is the definition of a bad trade for Orlando. There is limited upside, and a down of downside. You simply just don't trade 7 years of flexibility away for a non-star player. Is he a good fit? Absolutely. But he doesn't change a thing that 3 of your top 4 guys (Suggs/Franz/Paolo) are all career 32% shooters from 3. Not to mention your "stretch 5" shot 23% from 3 last year. In fact - you guys sold your top 2 3-point shooters from last year to get back 1. Big brain move.

[FlatearthZorro]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Considering their contract situations, I'm pretty sure Brown would not net more picks than Bane.

This is the thing the fans kinda overlook, people cite deals like the Mikal trade and the Bane trade and think, "oh I can get a much better haul for my player". No, even if you think Brown is a better player in a vacuum, him making 53, 57, 61 and 65 million dollars over the next 4 seasons is a value killer looking at it from a GM standpoint.

Bane at his peak salary in 2028-29 will make 10 million less than Brown's 2025-26 salary.

That's important. Brown's current salary is that of a franchise player at the moment, which he is not. Bane is making 3rd option money, which he is.

Nexxt year Bane's making ~40 mils. Brown has way more experience and has had way more success, overall. In 2 years, Bane makes about 50 mils, that's 3rd option money?
Still kinda crazy, imo. Hope it works for the Magic.

[John Murdoch]

Im glad Orlando is actually taking a swing tbh but i feel like two 1st was market value for Bane

[Magic_Johnny12]

A LOT of crow will be fed in this post. I hope some people left some room in their noggins.

[lethalizer]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Considering their contract situations, I'm pretty sure Brown would not net more picks than Bane.

This is the thing the fans kinda overlook, people cite deals like the Mikal trade and the Bane trade and think, "oh I can get a much better haul for my player". No, even if you think Brown is a better player in a vacuum, him making 53, 57, 61 and 65 million dollars over the next 4 seasons is a value killer looking at it from a GM standpoint.

Bane at his peak salary in 2028-29 will make 10 million less than Brown's 2025-26 salary.

That's important. Brown's current salary is that of a franchise player at the moment, which he is not. Bane is making 3rd option money, which he is.

Nexxt year Bane's making ~40 mils. Brown has way more experience and has had way more success, overall. In 2 years, Bane makes about 50 mils, that's 3rd option money?
Still kinda crazy, imo. Hope it works for the Magic.

Your numbers are wrong. Bane will make 36.7 million in 25-26. Brown will make 53 million. That's a 16 million dollar difference. Bane will never make 50 million in his current contract, he will peak at 44.8 million in 28-29. Brown will be making 64.9 million dollars around that time, good for a 20 million dollar difference in salary.

[basketballRob]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Considering their contract situations, I'm pretty sure Brown would not net more picks than Bane.

This is the thing the fans kinda overlook, people cite deals like the Mikal trade and the Bane trade and think, "oh I can get a much better haul for my player". No, even if you think Brown is a better player in a vacuum, him making 53, 57, 61 and 65 million dollars over the next 4 seasons is a value killer looking at it from a GM standpoint.

Bane at his peak salary in 2028-29 will make 10 million less than Brown's 2025-26 salary.

That's important. Brown's current salary is that of a franchise player at the moment, which he is not. Bane is making 3rd option money, which he is.

Nexxt year Bane's making ~40 mils. Brown has way more experience and has had way more success, overall. In 2 years, Bane makes about 50 mils, that's 3rd option money?
Still kinda crazy, imo. Hope it works for the Magic.

Bane makes $37m next season and $39m the season after that.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Im glad Orlando is actually taking a swing tbh but i feel like two 1st was market value for Bane

I genuinely don’t think you know what “market value” means.

[Sixers in 4]

For that package Orlando could get a better player. I dont know is Jamal Murray considered better than Bane but id gladly trade him for said package.

He's not.

His contract is also god awful

[Sixers in 4]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Bane is way better than Brown in analytics. Bane also provides what the Magic needs. Brown's contract is way higher. Brown makes $53m and Bane makes $36m next season.


https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=banede01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

Brown is just a much better defender. Unfortunately Bane is a trex.

[Magic_Johnny12]

My 2 cents- this is crazier than the Bridges trade. How many picks would a fully healthy Brown be worth? 6?

Bane is way better than Brown in analytics. Bane also provides what the Magic needs. Brown's contract is way higher. Brown makes $53m and Bane makes $36m next season.


https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=banede01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

Brown is just a much better defender. Unfortunately Bane is a trex.

Much better ehh? You know this can be measured right?

Advanced analytics doesn’t agree with you.