MVP Derrick Rose, I am disappoint.

[darth_federer]

Chicago has good players

Boozer
Noah
Deng
Korver
Brewer
Gibson

Not saying these guys are stars but they should be producing. Rose shouldnt have to/take so many shots.

[orangeparka]

Talk about overreacting to a few games. Continue on though

This is the PLAYOFFS. By the same logic a couple of playoff games shouldn't matter right?

[Mk0]

Boozer has been on decline every month since he came back from his broken pinky. The guy is killing me.

Noah is finally (kinda) looking like himself again.

Deng has been our glue guy all year. Not a world beater and he cannot ISO for his life, but he can pop a J, slash and defend like a beast. Before the series began I stated that Granger would be lucky to have one 30pt game. He has been scoring around 22ppg. No complaints.

Korver, hot or cold we need him to keep shooting it. Issue is that unlike Boston our screens for him are weak. The culprit on that one is usually Boozer.

Brewer is a non-factor with his hand injury. Which is sad because he causes a lot of turnovers and provides us with fast break opportunities.

Gibson is great when he is on, all hustle and provides the things that Boozer doesn't do. Issue is that he can't score for his life.

Rose looks worn out. I suspect that come Tuesday he will beast again and all this will be forgotten. I would prefer it if his teammates stepped up and the Bulls put up a convincing win. He needs to facilitate more and stop with the heat check 3s. He looked good when he was driving to the cup but I think his ankle has been an issue. If it is healed by Tuesday then you can expect to see him at the ft line 18 times.

We could really use another ball handler or someone that can iso. CJ Watson has disappeared on us. Over all our offense has been Mike Brown-esque and it is bothersome. Rose may have played poorly but that is why there are four other guys on the court with him. It gets harder and harder to carry a team the further you go along.

If Deng can cut and Korver can hit a J this is over on Tuesday. Boozer will probably continue to be a non-factor. Hopefully the Bulls can get through it without any more injuries.

[Antetokounmpo]

This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league. He will get to the first tier some day because of his untapped potential but not now. This is why there was so much controversy over his MVP award.

If this was Kobe, Wade, or Lebron playing against the Pacers, they'd average 35ppg on 50+ FG%.

The Bulls have the 11th best ORTG this year and have 0 offensive gameplan or strategizing. It's give the ball to Rose and he'll make it happen. They don't run pnrs despite having Boozer, don't have another ballhandler, don't run the break. It's Rose and a bunch of offensive rebounders.

Rose deserves a ton of credit for carrying the offense that well. You need both to win games.

The Bulls have Boozer, who is an elite offensive player, Deng, Rose, Korver, who are all great offensive players. They also have Noah who is descent.

They should be #11.

I don't know why Boozer has a reputation for being an elite player, even offensively, he really isn't. He doesn't defend at all, offensively he's not too good at creating his own shot, blows a lot of bunnies around and at the rim etcetera. Deng is a solid spot up shooter, but not too good at creating his own shot either, not too good of a ballhandler to take away much pressure from Rose. Korver is a spot up shooter. Noah gets his from putbacks and broken plays. Rose is the only solid ballhandler on the team that can create for himself and others, but he'd be five times the player he is if he would get his shot selection to where it should be.

Funny thing is, basically everyone used to think that Rose had a really good shot selection, then he started out the season shooting like over 40% on threes, might've gotten too confident with that shot and here we are now.. Live by 3, die by 3.

I hope the Bulls can grab a solid SG that can shoot, create his own offense and put in effort on the defensive end. And I hope that Boozer starts showing effort on the defensive end. Then, I hope that Rose would work out his shot selection and play a bit more aggressively, which leads to shots at the rim and a ton of free throws (no, not because the NBA is rigged or anything), perhaps he won't hesitate for the three that much next year. If all these things would work out next year, oh wow..

[boogydown]

Bulls have 4 guys capable of scoring 15+ a game, and Korver who is one of the best shooters in the league. The Bulls are also the 9th best passing team in the league.

The problem seems to be more related to the offensive sets Thibodeau is running as in my opinion, he has been out coached this series.

[czoneny]

Rose is a shooting guard masquerading as a point guard.

Takes 25 shots to get 30 pts and then listens to ESPN tell him how good he is.

[jax98]

There is a list of things I'd like to excuse Rose for, and then there's a list of things I won't excuse him for. Let's start with that second one first:

- The three-pointers. The shot isn't falling, so having two games in this series with 9 attempts from that area is just not good idea. Especially the quick pull-up. Even in the regular season he did too much to my liking.

- The fast-break 1-on-3 attempts. Usually for Derrick, it's a good play. But he's so obviously and visibally fatigued that he needs to back that ball back out if he doesn't have a teammate right behind him. He's not done that, and by my count it's been six failed attempts of these because of it. Granted, in the regular season I reckon four of these six attempts would have been scores, but not now. It's the playoffs, and quick scores aren't easy to get.

- Now this will sound crazy, but hear me out. He's too timid. Yes, I understand a guy taking 22 shots a night doesn't seem timid, but he is. He's passed up mid-range opportunities that he could easily have made into good shots. This happens mostly after an interior scorer gets a bucket. Say Gibson or Boozer finally makes a lay-up, Rose then tries to milk that by going to them again for the next few stretches. This is where he should read the floor better and get the best shot possible, even if that shot comes from himself.

Now comes the things he should be excused for:

- Throughout the course of the year, Chicago has had one ballhandler. Him. I've followed this game for many years and I have never, ever, seen a team use their primary ballhandler as much as Chicago has used Rose. He dribbles the ball up every single time. He's the one creating the offense every single time. Add a secondary ballhandler to the Bulls, and Rose's efforts would be maximized. But when you have players who cannot dribble, it limits your options and drains your stamina.

- Offensive execution. This section might as well be called the need for a secondary ballhandler version 2.0. As stated before, not having players who can create their own offense, severly limits your offensive game plan. Thibodeau, who's been excellent all year long, has simply not made adjustments to the offense so they can try to get around that problem. Sure, it's difficult to create such a system in which you rely on non-dribblers to effectively create. But then at least lose the play in which you try to dump it down to Boozer. It eats clock, and he's been very unsuccesful with it.

Rose shooting 35% is a product of himself and the make-up of the team. Putting it solely on his shoulders, while completely ignoring the context of it all, is laughable. Does Rose deserve criticism? Hell yes. He does. I'm sure he's banging his head against a wall right now, and I'm not even kidding. He knows he's played poorly. But let's not sit back and pretend like he was on easy street here. Coming into the game last night, Boozer had a PER of 7.9 with a TS% of .421 while playing the third most amount of minutes on the team. When you receive that kind of ''help'' from your supposed second-best player, I don't know what you frankly expect.

[BROWN]

Durant or Howard always had my vote, Rose was never under any consideration to be my MVP, even though he's having an incredible year, I never felt that Rose was truly the Leagues Most Valuable Player.

He's an All-Star, but he's had the role players, he's had the offensive weapons, he's able to create for himself, having the ball on him all the time. The most important factor he added the perfect coach. The environment he's around was bound to win, I just can't see him deserving that award.

That's just my opinion, he's still a terrific player, should be an All NBA 1st team, but the MVP shouldn't always be given to the best story.

[boogydown]

Thing is, Rose is shooting 44.5% on the season which is about Allen Iversons best efficient season. The past two years, Rose shot close to 50.0%. He obviously is capable of shooting efficiently so I wouldn't compare him to Iverson's efficiency in anyway unless he starts to continue to decline as the years go by.

[lorak]

This is what more intelligent people have been saying all season long. Tom Thibodeu and team defense had much more to do with their wins than Rose.

Rose is a second tier star in this league. He will get to the first tier some day because of his untapped potential but not now. This is why there was so much controversy over his MVP award.

If this was Kobe, Wade, or Lebron playing against the Pacers, they'd average 35ppg on 50+ FG%.

The Bulls have the 11th best ORTG this year

That's misleading, because Bulls ORTG above league average is only 1.0 so their offense isn't too good.

[Stretch82]

Rose is a shooting guard masquerading as a point guard.

Takes 25 shots to get 30 pts and then listens to ESPN tell him how good he is.

this is how it is. imagine him not handling the ball all the time, waiting for a pg to pass it to him. he might not even be in mvp consideration.

[Benny Gold]

Thing is, Rose is shooting 44.5% on the season which is about Allen Iversons best efficient season. The past two years, Rose shot close to 50.0%. He obviously is capable of shooting efficiently so I wouldn't compare him to Iverson's efficiency in anyway unless he starts to continue to decline as the years go by.

Allen Iverson played under different rules.

[dezsays]

Stop using /b/ lingo outside of /b/

it doesnt make you cool



Rose 4 MVP

[TheAdmiral]

Thing is, Rose is shooting 44.5% on the season which is about Allen Iversons best efficient season. The past two years, Rose shot close to 50.0%. He obviously is capable of shooting efficiently so I wouldn't compare him to Iverson's efficiency in anyway unless he starts to continue to decline as the years go by.

It was the team defense that made Rose finish the season with 25/7.7/4.1 on 55.0 TS% (which is efficient.). All defense defense defense!

[TheAdmiral]

this is how it is. imagine him not handling the ball all the time, waiting for a pg to pass it to him. he might not even be in mvp consideration.

Same could be said about the best players in the game: LeBron and D-Wade. Take the ball out of their hands and they might not even be in MVP consideration.

[s_g_b]

poor man iverson

[Ice Man]

Thibs asks Rose to do more than any other guard. For 84 games that worked. For the past 2, it hasn't. The Pacers now are doubling Rose and the other 3 guys are laying off, cutting out passing lanes and ready to make it 1v5 if Rose drives. It's hard to pass when double-teamed with players looking for the steal, and it's even harder to drive.

What the Bulls need to do is mix things up against the junk defense, have Rose play off the ball. But that's hard because the other Bulls players are bad with the ball, and because Thibs doesn't appear to coach offense -- a few screens, a few picks, and let Rose figure it out.

[D-31]

- Throughout the course of the year, Chicago has had one ballhandler. Him. I've followed this game for many years and I have never, ever, seen a team use their primary ballhandler as much as Chicago has used Rose. He dribbles the ball up every single time. He's the one creating the offense every single time. Add a secondary ballhandler to the Bulls, and Rose's efforts would be maximized. But when you have players who cannot dribble, it limits your options and drains your stamina.

Hyperbole of the century? Good Lord.

- Offensive execution. This section might as well be called the need for a secondary ballhandler version 2.0. As stated before, not having players who can create their own offense, severly limits your offensive game plan. Thibodeau, who's been excellent all year long, has simply not made adjustments to the offense so they can try to get around that problem. Sure, it's difficult to create such a system in which you rely on non-dribblers to effectively create. But then at least lose the play in which you try to dump it down to Boozer. It eats clock, and he's been very unsuccesful with it.

Bulls need a true PG. They should try to use Watson/Rose in the backcourt to put Rose in his natural position.

Rose shooting 35% is a product of himself and the make-up of the team. Putting it solely on his shoulders, while completely ignoring the context of it all, is laughable. Does Rose deserve criticism? Hell yes. He does. I'm sure he's banging his head against a wall right now, and I'm not even kidding. He knows he's played poorly. But let's not sit back and pretend like he was on easy street here. Coming into the game last night, Boozer had a PER of 7.9 with a TS% of .421 while playing the third most amount of minutes on the team. When you receive that kind of ''help'' from your supposed second-best player, I don't know what you frankly expect.

Why is Boozer playing the worst of his career against a middling defensive team? He doesn't have Deron obviously. Rose is simply incapable of making other guys better.

[wowski]

Being an Orlando Magic fan (which of course makes me a D12 homer) , I am lovin how Rose has struggled the past 2 games.

But come on. He struggled shooting for 2 games and suddenly he is not that good? Let's wait until the finish of the Bulls run, be it an early exit or the finals, before he should be judged.

[Charlie Sollers]

If this is the reaction Rose is getting for a couple of bad games, I fear the site might have to shut down if/when LeBron has a bad game in these playoffs.