Jan Vesely is the best 6'11+ athlete in NBA history

ManualRam · Post #61 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 10:47 pm

In-N-Out wrote:just remembered that this guy will play for the wiz.
with john wall and mcgee
wiz will fly

...and then suck in the halfcourt.

NOODLESTYLE · Post #62 » by **NOODLESTYLE** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 10:51 pm

UcanUwill · Post #63 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 10:59 pm

xprt wrote:Kirilenko? Vesely is below average defender. Calling him AK74 is like saying griffin will be bill rusell.

LOL what?
First of all, he is a Great perimeter defender, and thats what he is - SF. Why do you mean he was taken 6th. overall? Cause he can dunk? Geez... He is defensive specialist type of player...
Secondly, Andrei Kirilenko is the most popular, and Imo the best comparison... Similar players, Kirilenko is stronger, better passer and more versatile. Jan is faster and taller.

BH8 wrote:
shaolin wrote:
BH8 wrote:Vesely has pretty amazing potential. He's really a 6"11 SG.

Can't shoot. More of a taller aggressive Kirilenko, without some of Ak's smarts.

Actually, he was 35%-40% from 3 during the last two Euroleague seasons. He can shoot.

35% in Euroleague doesnt mean hes a good shooter... Hes a pretty bad shooter, and you dont want him to shoot...

More.
Actually, if I was a Wizards fan, I wouldn't like this pick. Why...?

First of all, 6th. pick was too hight IMO. I mean, overrated...

Again, he is not a bigmen, he is SF... End of story...
So, the WIZ basically drafted 2 very similar players in one draft... A defensive minded small forwards... Vesely runs the floor like crazy, always first in fastbreaks, athletic, but thats it... Limited offensively...

And finally, hes far away from being a good shooter. Having Wall and Vesely at the same time would be a terrible D stretching lineup.

Johnny Firpo · Post #64 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:15 pm

Jan has a good form though, a nice ark on the shot, and good rotation on the ball, i'm not sure if he will struggle shooting-wise.

Wizardspride · Post #65 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:23 pm

doctorfunk wrote:Yea seems like a nice wingman for Wall, anyways Wizards have some nice size and athleticism, would be funny to see Vesely-Yi-McGee frontcourt

I wonder if Yi and McGee gonna make any progress this year

Yi is a free agent and won't be returning to the Wiz.

Elden Payton · Post #66 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:32 pm

ShabazzMuhammad wrote:did somebody seriously make a comparison to David Robinson ?

He was saying that D-Rob was onr of the best 6'11+ athletes in NBA history.

7-Day Dray · Post #67 » by **7-Day Dray** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:39 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:Jan has a good form though, a nice ark on the shot, and good rotation on the ball, i'm not sure if he will struggle shooting-wise.

This. He doesn't have stiff shooting mechanics like say a Jared Jeffries. I can at least see him becoming respectable from 3 in the future.

7-Day Dray · Post #68 » by **7-Day Dray** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:40 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
doctorfunk wrote:Yea seems like a nice wingman for Wall, anyways Wizards have some nice size and athleticism, would be funny to see Vesely-Yi-McGee frontcourt

I wonder if Yi and McGee gonna make any progress this year

Yi is a free agent and won't be returning to the Wiz.

Good riddance lol.

doctorfunk · Post #69 » by **doctorfunk** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:43 pm

he's restricted, so Wizards can match if they feel like it

Leslie Forman · Post #70 » by **Leslie Forman** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:43 pm

The correct answer is Jason Smith. He put up combine numbers that would have been awesome…for a point guard. He's just not that good at the playing basketball thing.

Matter of fact the most athletic big in NBA history is probably some dude nobody has heard of because he really sucked.

doctorfunk · Post #71 » by **doctorfunk** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 11:48 pm

Well obviously thread is very premature. But Vesely has great athleticism, awesome speed, vertical and he seems to have a great passion for the game I think he might struggle at times vs 4s that are stronger but he will put the effort in so I'm sure he will gradually get better at defense at 4. I think he can be most athletic 6'11-7'0 player in the NBA next season I'll cheer for him no doubt.

nykballa2k4 · Post #72 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 1:44 am

Wiz have him, McGee and Blatche... going with the "if we get enough of the same player, one of them will be good" philosophy.

BH8 · Post #73 » by **BH8** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 1:46 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:Wiz have him, McGee and Blatche... going with the "if we get enough of the same player, one of them will be good" philosophy.

Vesely is a perimeter player. He's nothing like McGee and Blatche.

Jimmy Recard · Post #74 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 1:49 am

[quote="UcanUwill"][/quote]
He looks good guarding euro's on the perimeter sure, now imagine him trying to stay in front of Durant or James or Melo, along with having to fight through picks from guys twice his size. I'm not really sure if he's a capable SF in the NBA. Great athlete for his size, but his lateral quickness isn't exactly on the same level as those guys i just mentioned. Besides, his jumper isn't even close to be consistent enough for him to be considered a full time 3 in the NBA. His ball handling too, isn't good enough for him to play on the perimeter.

I think his best bet is to try and get as big as he possibly can without it effecting his athleticism and try his hand at the PF. He's a nightmare matchup for any other 4 with his overall length, athleticism and ability to run the court like a deer. What you call limited offensively, i call raw. He'll almost certainly improve his jumpshot, along with his face-up post game. And from everything i've heard about him as a person and a competitor so far, he has a great work ethic, very coachable kid and just a good head on his shoulders.

ManualRam · Post #75 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 1:50 am

BH8 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:Wiz have him, McGee and Blatche... going with the "if we get enough of the same player, one of them will be good" philosophy.

Vesely is a perimeter player. He's nothing like McGee and Blatche.

how is he a perimeter player when he's not even a good shooter or ball-handler?

BH8 · Post #76 » by **BH8** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:08 am

ManualRam wrote:how is he a perimeter player when he's not even a good shooter or ball-handler?

The guy played for Partizan in the Euroleague for three season. He played SG/SF. He's a decent ball handler and has the potential to be a good shooter (he's not a bad shooter). Under no way, shape or form is he a PF. He never player PF in Europe. He's a face-up perimeter player.

ManualRam · Post #77 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:24 am

right now, he's neither a good ball-handler (no, he's not decent) nor is he a good shooter. what purpose would he serve playing on the perimeter? catching the ball and moving it?
given his lack of ball skills, he'd best be utilized on the offensive end as a garbage man. someone who'll make off the ball cuts, occasional pick n roll, alley oops, dump offs and crashing the glass. if he improves his shooting to the point where he's a legit deep threat, THEN he can move his game out there.

also, he's ~6'11 240. he's closer to PF size than he is a SF's size. his length and jumping ability would be wasted on the perimeter defensively.

BH8 · Post #78 » by **BH8** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:27 am

ManualRam wrote:right now, he's neither a good ball-handler (no, he's not decent) nor is he a good shooter. what purpose would he serve playing on the perimeter? catching the ball and moving it?
given his lack of ball skills, he'd best be utilized on the offensive end as a garbage man. someone who'll make off the ball cuts, occasional pick n roll, alley oops, dump offs and crashing the glass. if he improves his shooting to the point where he's a legit deep threat, THEN he can move his game out there.

also, he's ~6'11 240. he's closer to PF size than he is a SF's size. his length and jumping ability would be wasted on the perimeter defensively.

He's a decent shooter and he can be a good shooter eventually. He has the lateral quickness to defend the perimeter.

The guy never played PF in Europe. Trying to play him at PF is guaranteeing he will be a bust IMO. Best option is to allow him to develop as a SG/SF.

Post #79 » by **tsherkin** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:30 am

BH8 wrote:The guy never played PF in Europe. Trying to play him at PF is guaranteeing he will be a bust IMO. Best option is to allow him to develop as a SG/SF.

That's an indictment, not praise. Bargnani played SF in Europe too, and he's effing useless as both a SF AND as a PF because he's too slow to be a SF and too horrible defensively at either spot. He's a tall dude who is a horrible rebounder and defender who can stick set jumpers and be the pop in the pick and pop. And he sets crappy screens.

I'm not saying Vesely is exactly the same, but what position you play in Europe as a shooting big is irrelevant. They can get away with playing him at SF there, but not in the NBA. Vesely, athleticism or no, will not be effective there as a consistent primary role.

7-Day Dray · Post #80 » by **7-Day Dray** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:30 am

His post offense is actually pretty good. Here's an excellent scouting report from NBAPlaybook.com:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/24/overs ... an-vesely/

Right now, he stands as an oversized combo-forward. He has the potential to be a very good mismatch as SF, but is still developing his perimeter skills. He has ideal size for a PF, but he still needs to get stronger and tougher, and he isn't a good rebounder.

The position he will play if the position the Wizards choose to develop him at. I think the Wizards will try to devlop him at SF, because they're best SF currently is Rashard Lewis. They need a SF-of-the-future to develop, and I think they have faith that Dray will turn it around at PF.