WT: Jazz Shopping Jefferson, Millsap

BH8 · Post #61 » by **BH8** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:27 pm

LApwnd wrote:Jefferson is no worse then Zbo, people use to say the exact same thing bout Zbo as some here are saying of Al, give Jefferson Mem type situation and they flourish, all this negativity will disappear.

He's lee mobile, less versatile and far less talented than Zbo, but I would agree that pairing him with a defensive C is the only way to go.

LApwnd · Post #62 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:30 pm

BH8 wrote:
LApwnd wrote:Jefferson is no worse then Zbo, people use to say the exact same thing bout Zbo as some here are saying of Al, give Jefferson Mem type situation and they flourish, all this negativity will disappear.

He's lee mobile, less versatile and far less talented than Zbo, but I would agree that pairing him with a defensive C is the only way to go.

how do u figure he "FAR" less talented then Zbo? Jefferson best season was on par with Zbo and prior to his the Mem playoff run, peole said same exact thing bout Zbo, only cared bout stats and was a black hole on offense....he still is a black hole on offense but since he's on a winning team people over look that now.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #63 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:33 pm

I actually think Big Al will be moved, but Millsap will be kept as a 6th man off the bench getting heavy minutes. The Hawks could use Jefferson on the low block.

HeartSouloma · Post #64 » by **HeartSouloma** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:34 pm

OKC needs to get Al Jeff, it would be a good pick-up but it won't hppen

Post #65 » by **HMFFL** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:38 pm

Winsome Gerbil wrote:Well, on that sort of thing just go around the league looking for teams in or around the playoffs who need PFs. Young rebuilding teams won't want them. But a team like Indiana might. Or Orlando looking for help for Dwight. Or Philly desperate for frontcourt help. Or Atlanta looking at Jefferson as a center. etc. Would the Jazz go for a Paul George, or Evan Turner?

Atlanta probably has nothing that appeals to Utah. They have no need for Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, or Al Horford. Sadly, a combination of Kirk Hinrich & Marvin Williams (plus Jazz filler), Kirk Hinrich & ZaZa Pachulia, or Marvin Williams & ZaZa Pachulia is about all Atlanta would be able to offer. Maybe some draft pick considerations but the pick most likely won't have any significant value.

idajazz · Post #66 » by **idajazz** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:13 pm

I have watched just about every game the Jazz have played for over 15 yrs.
Last year I watched every game, some live, most on tv.

My impression was that the team went through a tremendous amount of turmoil last year and still showed a ton of potential.
Big Al was awesome down the stretch, I don't think he has ever been in a situation to really show what he can do. He came in and just when things seemed like they were starting to click he injured his hand and then lost both Deron Williams and Sloan. In comes a bunch of new players and a new coach, he still averaged better than 20/10 down the stretch, pretty impressive if you ask me.

Milsap is a warrior. period end of story. He is the type of player every team loves to have. I don't see him going anywhere.

Summed up, I think the rumors that one or both are on the block is a bunch of hooey. KOC has always kept things extreemly quiet. I'm sure they have listened to offers and that is where this stuff comes from, But to twist it that they are on the market is just spin.

My thoughts from being a 30 year Jazz fan is that they will both be starting this season.
Favors and Okur will be the first two off the bench, Kanter is still very young and very raw, he will earn minutes in practice and get 5-10 a game based on his progress.
The biggest question for Utah is AK, and Watson.

nofours · Post #67 » by **nofours** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:20 pm

KDfan35 wrote:OKC needs to get Al Jeff, it would be a good pick-up but it won't hppen

This. Al Jefferson is exactly the type of player the Thunder need. Their defensive bigs would cover his short comings. Not to mention they could get him for cheap. A core of Durant,Harden, Westbrook, Jefferson, Ibaka and Perkins for the next 4-5 years would be amazing. You could fill rest of the roster with minimum salaries and draft picks and they wouldn't miss a beat.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #68 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:35 pm

nofours wrote:
KDfan35 wrote:OKC needs to get Al Jeff, it would be a good pick-up but it won't hppen

This. Al Jefferson is exactly the type of player the Thunder need. Their defensive bigs would cover his short comings. Not to mention they could get him for cheap. A core of Durant,Harden, Westbrook, Jefferson, Ibaka and Perkins for the next 4-5 years would be amazing. You could fill rest of the roster with minimum salaries and draft picks and they wouldn't miss a beat.

Sorry, but OKC is not getting Jefferson without giving up at least one of those core guys.

EddieJonesFan · Post #69 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:50 pm

I wonder how many teams Jefferson is going to get shipped off to before his career is done. He's just one of those players that is a good individual player, but just isn't apart of a winning equation.

ankle420breaker · Post #70 » by **ankle420breaker** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:06 pm

Philly could be a good trade partner seeing as they need frontcourt help and Utah could use a solid swing man. Millsap/Hayward for Iguodala?

Litany · Post #71 » by **Litany** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:08 pm

EddieJonesFan wrote:I wonder how many teams Jefferson is going to get shipped off to before his career is done. He's just one of those players that is a good individual player, but just isn't apart of a winning equation.

Kinda like Z-Bo was until Memphis? I think LApwnd is right. I think they are similar and he needs the right situation. I wonder what will happen.

Man FA period is going to be exciting.

Jazzy13 · Post #72 » by **Jazzy13** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:14 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Philly could be a good trade partner seeing as they need frontcourt help and Utah could use a solid swing man. Millsap/Hayward for Iguodala?

Hayward is untouchable at this pt. Whether that thought is justified or not wont change the fact that he is still untouchable for the most part.

Jazzfan12 · Post #73 » by **Jazzfan12** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:16 pm

Jefferson had the 4th worst adjusted defensive +/- in the league last season and easily the worst net defensive +/- last year. The team was 7.3 points worse per 100 possessions with him on the court which is pretty damn terrible.

Pacersike · Post #74 » by **Pacersike** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:26 pm

If they want value back and target not to get in the playoffs, they better not trade Jefferson.

DanTown8587 · Post #75 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:28 pm

Let's say the Raptors don't get a C

Bayless, Barbosa for Jefferson? Toronto gets a guy who at least moves Andrea to the 4, Jonas is a year away anyway so it's not a terrible deal in blocking his development and this gives the Jazz a decent backup at the 1 and gives them some cap space for next year.

ankle420breaker · Post #76 » by **ankle420breaker** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:32 pm

Jazzball wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:Philly could be a good trade partner seeing as they need frontcourt help and Utah could use a solid swing man. Millsap/Hayward for Iguodala?

Hayward is untouchable at this pt. Whether that thought is justified or not wont change the fact that he is still untouchable for the most part.

Interesting, but ok. What are your thoughts on Iguodala for Millsap/Okur (expiring)?

Mattya · Post #77 » by **Mattya** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:35 pm

Jefferson is not like ZBo. Zbo likes contact in the post and can shoot the ball. As a Wolves fan and a fan of Big Al, he isn't efficient on offense and was an awful defensive player. He has amazing footwork but its so good that he often loses the two to three guys that guarded him but then he doesn't initiate contact for fouls. For being a good free throw shooter it really sucks that he can't get to the line more. He has gotten some bad habits over the years. He shoots too many mid range shots, and takes hook shots to far out of the post sometimes. He can't pass at all, which hurts since he draws extra attention. His defense is just flat out bad. Very low recognition of defensive switches. His post game sure is pretty to watch though. He just doesn't get you a lot of wins. He would be a pretty good 3rd option for OKC, since those guys draw so many fouls. I don't know their cap situation, but I would trade Milsap, I think he has more value, then they should amnesty Big Al. Let teams bid for him, and take some of the burden of his contract off the Jazz. Thats how i would go into full rebuild mode with the Jazz. Give all the minutes to Favors and Kanter and get lots of cap space.

Jazzy13 · Post #78 » by **Jazzy13** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:40 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
Jazzball wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:Philly could be a good trade partner seeing as they need frontcourt help and Utah could use a solid swing man. Millsap/Hayward for Iguodala?

Hayward is untouchable at this pt. Whether that thought is justified or not wont change the fact that he is still untouchable for the most part.

Interesting, but ok. What are your thoughts on Iguodala for Millsap/Okur (expiring)?

I prefer to get a PG or a granger type player. Iggy isnt the best fit and I dont like his contract.
But thats a fair deal.

Jazzy13 · Post #79 » by **Jazzy13** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:41 pm

Mattya wrote:Jefferson is not like ZBo. Zbo likes contact in the post and can shoot the ball. As a Wolves fan and a fan of Big Al, he isn't efficient on offense and was an awful defensive player. He has amazing footwork but its so good that he often loses the two to three guys that guarded him but then he doesn't initiate contact for fouls. For being a good free throw shooter it really sucks that he can't get to the line more. He has gotten some bad habits over the years. He shoots too many mid range shots, and takes hook shots to far out of the post sometimes. He can't pass at all, which hurts since he draws extra attention. His defense is just flat out bad. Very low recognition of defensive switches. His post game sure is pretty to watch though. He just doesn't get you a lot of wins. He would be a pretty good 3rd option for OKC, since those guys draw so many fouls. I don't know their cap situation, but I would trade Milsap, I think he has more value, then they should amnesty Big Al. Let teams bid for him, and take some of the burden of his contract off the Jazz. Thats how i would go into full rebuild mode with the Jazz. Give all the minutes to Favors and Kanter and get lots of cap space.

Jazz will not pay Al to go away. We would be better off letting him expire.
Besides, I think we can get something good for him too.

Litany · Post #80 » by **Litany** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:42 pm

Mattya wrote:Jefferson is not like ZBo. Zbo likes contact in the post and can shoot the ball. As a Wolves fan and a fan of Big Al, he isn't efficient on offense and was an awful defensive player. He has amazing footwork but its so good that he often loses the two to three guys that guarded him but then he doesn't initiate contact for fouls. For being a good free throw shooter it really sucks that he can't get to the line more. He has gotten some bad habits over the years. He shoots too many mid range shots, and takes hook shots to far out of the post sometimes. He can't pass at all, which hurts since he draws extra attention. His defense is just flat out bad. Very low recognition of defensive switches. His post game sure is pretty to watch though. He just doesn't get you a lot of wins. He would be a pretty good 3rd option for OKC, since those guys draw so many fouls. I don't know their cap situation, but I would trade Milsap, I think he has more value, then they should amnesty Big Al. Let teams bid for him, and take some of the burden of his contract off the Jazz. Thats how i would go into full rebuild mode with the Jazz. Give all the minutes to Favors and Kanter and get lots of cap space.

Wait, you are a "fan of big Al?" After reading that post it is hard to arrive at that conclusion. You hate his offensive game, say he is inefficient, say his footwork is too good and gets in his way, say he is awful and a liability on defense and he doesn't get you wins. Why are you a fan of his again?

I agree about freeing up minutes for Favors and Kanter.