The Genius work of Billy King....

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Re: The Genius work of Billy King.... 

Post#61 » by jeff1624 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:04 pm

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Giving up a lottery pick for less than half a season for an aging wing player that was going to be a free agent at the end of the year on a team that didn't even make the playoffs might be the worst trade I've ever seen in the NBA.


Yep. Maybe not the highest stakes or the most lopsided, but easily the stupidest trade in NBA history.


The trade was REALLY stupid. but again...

Washington traded the 5th pick(Rubio) for A year of Mike Miller and Randy Foye.

Toronto Traded Vince Carter for Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, 3 picks in the 20's and the right to buyout Alonzo Mourning for a cool 8 mil.
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Post#62 » by wigglestrue » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:12 pm

Yeah, those two aren't even close to this one, given the contexts. To be honest, it's so mindboggingly stupid that I have a hard time believing anyone ever hired to be an NBA GM, no matter how bad, could have conceived/accepted it. It has to be owner interference.
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Post#63 » by nykballa2k4 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:17 pm

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nykballa2k4 wrote:Biggest problem is there is no positive way to re-sign Wallace and Lopez and put together a 500 team. Lopez/Wallace/Deron was the same core the Nets had last season, yes, the team, if Humphries is brought back will improve, but the idea is that will future assets, and whoever they pick this year be able to obtain Dwight at the deadline? That is even assuming everything goes perfect meaning Dwight does not go somewhere he likes, Deron stays on etc.

Williams wants a championship, and I believe sign/trades are harder now to execute.

The BEST thing the Nets can do this off-season is make a 3 way sign and trade deal to send Deron to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum, have Bynum go to Houston, have Rockets picks, Lowry and Dalembert come back to NJ. Maybe even have Dalembert go the Lakers instead if there are any assets left there that can be involved... Basically, try to turn Deron into Lowry and 2 first rounder picks.



False.

Brook Lopez played 5 games... none with Wallace. And in the games that both Wallace and Deron played the Nets were 6-5... still not great, but decent when you consider Shelden Williams and Johan Petro were two of our 3 rotational bigs.


We only have 4 players on the roster as of now... I think it's foolish to say with certainty what the nets will or won't do next season when you have no idea what players will be on the roster.


I don't mean this as an insult but part of the problem is "broke" Lopez.

the dude can not stay healthy. Crash has the very same problem. Making a leap of faith that both will play 70+ games, develop chemistry and play well is dangerous. In theory BroPez, Humph, Crash, Brooks and Deron could be a good team, but ultimately is a treadmill looking club. Yes, we don't know what Nets will look like, but we know limitations and bird rights and cap holds, so between the 10+ mil on Crash, the 12+ mil on Lopez the 18 mil on Deron, the 4 mill on morrow and possible the 4 mil on farmar, ur best bet is to keep Humphries rights and offer him a deal.
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Re: The Genius work of Billy King.... 

Post#64 » by Winsome Gerbil » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:20 pm

ManualRam wrote:the nets FO can gain back a little of their respectability if they poach the euro market like they're in a position to do.
ak47, mirza teletovic, their 2nd round stash bojan bogdanovic.
re-sign d-will which it looks more likely than not. farmar opts in and re-sign humphries.

d-will/farmar
morrow/brooks
ak47/bogdanovic
hump/teletovic
lopez/petro


You know you have a problem when even a fantasy scenario ends up looking that uninspiring.

Now resign Gerald as well and maybe there is something there.
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Post#65 » by jeff1624 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:22 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:Biggest problem is there is no positive way to re-sign Wallace and Lopez and put together a 500 team. Lopez/Wallace/Deron was the same core the Nets had last season, yes, the team, if Humphries is brought back will improve, but the idea is that will future assets, and whoever they pick this year be able to obtain Dwight at the deadline? That is even assuming everything goes perfect meaning Dwight does not go somewhere he likes, Deron stays on etc.

Williams wants a championship, and I believe sign/trades are harder now to execute.

The BEST thing the Nets can do this off-season is make a 3 way sign and trade deal to send Deron to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum, have Bynum go to Houston, have Rockets picks, Lowry and Dalembert come back to NJ. Maybe even have Dalembert go the Lakers instead if there are any assets left there that can be involved... Basically, try to turn Deron into Lowry and 2 first rounder picks.



False.

Brook Lopez played 5 games... none with Wallace. And in the games that both Wallace and Deron played the Nets were 6-5... still not great, but decent when you consider Shelden Williams and Johan Petro were two of our 3 rotational bigs.


We only have 4 players on the roster as of now... I think it's foolish to say with certainty what the nets will or won't do next season when you have no idea what players will be on the roster.


I don't mean this as an insult but part of the problem is "broke" Lopez.

the dude can not stay healthy.
Crash has the very same problem. Making a leap of faith that both will play 70+ games, develop chemistry and play well is dangerous. In theory BroPez, Humph, Crash, Brooks and Deron could be a good team, but ultimately is a treadmill looking club. Yes, we don't know what Nets will look like, but we know limitations and bird rights and cap holds, so between the 10+ mil on Crash, the 12+ mil on Lopez the 18 mil on Deron, the 4 mill on morrow and possible the 4 mil on farmar, ur best bet is to keep Humphries rights and offer him a deal.



You're basing this on ONE season? Lopez had played all 82 games in each of his first three season before this one. He missed most of this year with an injury, it happens. It isn't fair to label him 'injury prone' just yet. I mean, Griffin missed his first season, yet we don't label him injury prone...
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Re: The Genius work of Billy King.... 

Post#66 » by Rockice_24 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:15 pm

King just said he isn't likely to even trade into the 1st round let alone #3. How do these rumors even start.
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Post#67 » by PetroNet » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:45 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
I don't mean this as an insult but part of the problem is "broke" Lopez.

the dude can not stay healthy. Crash has the very same problem. .


cant stay healthy?

08-09 - 82 games
09-10 - 82 games
10-11 - 82 games

this was the first year he missed a game since coming into the league
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Post#68 » by VCRJKidd15 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:59 pm

You can't take someone serious as a poster anymore when they call a player injury prone just because he was injured for one shortened season...
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Post#69 » by VCRJKidd15 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:00 pm

Rockice_24 wrote:King just said he isn't likely to even trade into the 1st round let alone #3. How do these rumors even start.
more then half of NBA offseason stories are rumors/ and bullsh** this story is most likely one of them.
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Re: The Genius work of Billy King.... 

Post#70 » by Otis Gotta Go » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:03 pm

PetroNet wrote:Rumors from David aldridge have the nets trying to move up into the top 3 to try and draft Thomas Robinson... Which will certainly take each and every asset the nets have(which isnt a ton).

so basically, this is King's master plan...

STEP 1: Trade a top 6 pick for a 6 week rental of Gwallace.

STEP 2: Trade 2 first round picks, Marshon Brooks, Anthony morrow for the #2 pick, as well as taking back a terrible contract.

brilliant!

part of me wants dwill to walk just so we can fire this guy sooner rather then later.



What part was genius? This isn't NBA2k where you could make that unrealistic trade.
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Re: The Genius work of Billy King.... 

Post#71 » by rottenzombie » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:10 am

jeff1624 wrote:
wigglestrue wrote:
Giving up a lottery pick for less than half a season for an aging wing player that was going to be a free agent at the end of the year on a team that didn't even make the playoffs might be the worst trade I've ever seen in the NBA.


Yep. Maybe not the highest stakes or the most lopsided, but easily the stupidest trade in NBA history.


The trade was REALLY stupid. but again...

Washington traded the 5th pick(Rubio) for A year of Mike Miller and Randy Foye.

Toronto Traded Vince Carter for Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, 3 picks in the 20's and the right to buyout Alonzo Mourning for a cool 8 mil.


Carter forced the trade by deliberately playing poor basketball. If anything, Toronto was stupid to not trade him before the season started.
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Re: The Genius work of Billy King.... 

Post#72 » by BlueDawn » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:00 am

Brook Lopez had mono for most of last season which is known to be a very debilitating disease, coincidentally that's when everyone started calling him "soft". He's out one lock-out season, and now he is dubbed "injury" prone. If this logic were a fruit, I would die.

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