90s vs. modern defensive rules and Mythbusting

[jordan0386]

80: 12 of 22 teams under. 500
81: 13 of 23 teams under. 500
82: 9 of 23 teams under .500
83: 9 of 23 teams under .500
84: 11 of 23 teams under .500
85; 11 of 23 teams under .500
86: 13 of 23 teams under .500
87: 10 of 23 teams under .500
88: 10 of 23 teams under .500
89: 10 of 23 teams under .500

Top heavy basketball. Scored 110 a game, gave up 108. And half the league couldnt string together 5 consecutives wins?

"fundamental knowledge of how to play the game and compare him to a player of the 80's and you'll see the difference in skill level I'm talking about."

Then why did so many teams struggle to win 41 games, brah?

[jordan0386]

Majority of that league ran up and down the court and did nothing, for the most part. Stop singing the virtues of the 80s.

[ibraheim718]

80: 12 of 22 teams under. 500
81: 13 of 23 teams under. 500
82: 9 of 23 teams under .500
83: 9 of 23 teams under .500
84: 11 of 23 teams under .500
85; 11 of 23 teams under .500
86: 13 of 23 teams under .500
87: 10 of 23 teams under .500
88: 10 of 23 teams under .500
89: 10 of 23 teams under .500

Top heavy basketball. Scored 110 a game, gave up 108. And half the league couldnt string together 5 consecutives wins?

"fundamental knowledge of how to play the game and compare him to a player of the 80's and you'll see the difference in skill level I'm talking about."

Then why did so many teams struggle to win 41 games, brah?

Look at the league averages brah?

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I roll my eyes when people start pounding their chest about how this era is better than all that came before it... but this thread is no different, just comes off as an annoyed Jordan fan claiming his dad can beat up your dad.

I just hate era arguments with a passion because we're never really going to know which was better/tougher/more competitive... I'd prefer if people stuck to what we do know, things like whether an era was more about defense, offense, shooting, post play etc., rather than trying to downplay one era to praise the one they grew up watching.

[jordan0386]

As I said, ran up and down and did nothing. Played minimal defense.

For an era to be touted as tough as it was. No lay-ups and the like. Had to be a considerable amount of lay ups made to get to 110 and the like.

[jordan0386]

Everybody dropping buckets doesnt mean players were that well versed with their jumpshots. It shows that nobody gave a **** on defense.

[ibraheim718]

As I said, ran up and down and did nothing. Played minimal defense.

For an era to be touted as tough as it was. No lay-ups and the like. Had to be a considerable amount of lay ups made to get to 110 and the like.

Guys weren't infatuated with a shot they shouldn't be shooting so they made more shots. So as soon as you can get the modern NBA player to realize that making a 3 is a little harder than making a 2 by pointing out the simple mathematical truth behind it scores will go up.

You have a spike of 1000 more 3's being taken a game than in the eighties and early nineties today.

[ibraheim718]

Everybody dropping buckets doesnt mean players were that well versed with their jumpshots. It shows that nobody gave a **** on defense.

How can you make this ridiculous claim when the game used to be more physical?

[reapaman]

What's the point of starting a topic when you have a clear agenda and are unwilling to open yourself to opposing views?

What's the point of posting if you don't have any evidence or basis for your "opposing view"?

People are saying "Oh, well players are better now."

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. This post gives you the truth, no matter how much you hate it.

And I'm sorry if it's bursted your bubble, sometimes the truth hurts. I'm more than willing to listen to arguments, but frankly no one has contested it. I see desperation and trolling, that's it. So unless you have reasons for literally ALL OF THE PERIMETER PLAYERS scores jumping over those 2 seasons, including the field goals attempted,

it's pretty obvious that this is the truth and it's just been proven for those that have no idea.

Once again that didn't actually happen and is not even mathematically possible especially based on how little if any the overall FGA went up per game. The fact of the matter if we skip the lockout season (we can do that if you want but comparing two full seasons make more sense) and compare 97-98 to 99-00. Of the top 40 players who played enough to qualify for the leaderboard in scoring (including shot attempts), 27 of them were perimenter players in 97-98 (13 in the top 20) and in 99-00 there were 26 (12 in the top 20). In the top 20 there was a slight increase in scoring amongst all postions. The next 20 is pretty much the same, an the next 20 after that, the perimeter players scored (once again I took into consideration shot attemtps)more in 97-98 than they did in 99-00. the 00-01 season supports my argument even more.

Really if you want to compare overall perimeter scoring, you only have an argument from 96-97, 97-98 and 98-99 which is 2 and a half season and mabey 95-96 if you twist it a bit (and not the argument your making). If you actually look at the numbers, the perimeter scoring the last 12 seasons overall don't even compare to what happened the years before those 2 or 3 and half seasons. Mabey the top 20 looks different but overall it doesn't. I explained its just a shift and has little to do with rule changes.

[jordan0386]

Everybody dropping buckets doesnt mean players were that well versed with their jumpshots. It shows that nobody gave a **** on defense.

How can you make this ridiculous claim when the game used to be more physical?

How does physical and 100-120 per game equate?

[jordan0386]

As I said, ran up and down and did nothing. Played minimal defense.

For an era to be touted as tough as it was. No lay-ups and the like. Had to be a considerable amount of lay ups made to get to 110 and the like.

Guys weren't infatuated with a shot they shouldn't be shooting so they made more shots. So as soon as you can get the modern NBA player to realize that making a 3 is a little harder than making a 2 by pointing out the simple mathematical truth behind it scores will go up.

You have a spike of 1000 more 3's being taken a game than in the eighties and early nineties today.

Im pretty sure they shot way more shots per qtr in the 80s, to have the avgs that they hold.