Lakers FTA advantage since March

[Joker]

Not sure if this has been brought up, but what kind of team FTA discrepancies existed when it was Shaq and Kobe playing together?

[Effigy]

Here's an updated one, includes games through last night.

What's funny about this is that Laker fans wrote off last nights discrepancy saying golden state is a jump shooting team, their shots come from guards away from the basket. Utah has tons of bigs, they are in the top ten in terms of free throw attempts for the season, yet in the last six games they are dead last.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Here's an updated one, includes games through last night.

So why would GS be higher than LA is Stern was fixing things? Why isn't Houston at the bottom. Take a step back and yourself why he would focus on Utah, when catching Hou/GS would put LA in the playoffs and a better seeding.

[Tubal]

Here's an updated one, includes games through last night.

So why would GS be higher than LA is Stern was fixing things? Why isn't Houston at the bottom. Take a step back and yourself why he would focus on Utah, when catching Hou/GS would put LA in the playoffs and a better seeding.

Because Lakers don't need to have a better record than GS and Houston to get into the playoffs. They need to beat Utah (and Dallas up until a few games ago). And wouldn't you know it, Dallas and Utah are the two teams getting screwed by the refs the last 6 games, and after last night's joke of a game, LA is getting all the help they want.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Here's an updated one, includes games through last night.

So why would GS be higher than LA is Stern was fixing things? Why isn't Houston at the bottom. Take a step back and yourself why he would focus on Utah, when catching Hou/GS would put LA in the playoffs and a better seeding.

Because Lakers don't need to have a better record than GS and Houston to get into the playoffs. They need to beat Utah (and Dallas up until a few games ago). And wouldn't you know it, Dallas and Utah are the two teams getting screwed by the refs the last 6 games, and after last night's joke of a game, LA is getting all the help they want.

That makes zero sense. Dallas was down there with Portland back then, and LA was trying to get a #6 or #7 seed. Again, if Stern was fixing things, he wouldn't give a crap about Dallas, and would be hitting GS/Hou.

Fact: Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games. Before that, they went 2-9.....so if Stern is fixing things, he must be doing it in Utah's favor, lol.

[Tubal]

Because Lakers don't need to have a better record than GS and Houston to get into the playoffs. They need to beat Utah (and Dallas up until a few games ago). And wouldn't you know it, Dallas and Utah are the two teams getting screwed by the refs the last 6 games, and after last night's joke of a game, LA is getting all the help they want.

That makes zero sense. Dallas was down there with Portland back then, and LA was trying to get a #6 or #7 seed. Again, if Stern was fixing things, he wouldn't give a crap about Dallas, and would be hitting GS/Hou.

Fact: Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games. Before that, they went 2-9.....so if Stern is fixing things, he must be doing it in Utah's favor, lol.

You make zero sense. The NBA can't control what the players do. Only the refs. And it's absolutely clear that the refs have been helping LA and hurting Utah and Dallas. Utah has been winning in spite of the refs. Not because of them.

And Dallas wasn't down with Portland 6 games ago. Dallas was 36-38. Portland was 33.41. That game between LA and Dallas on April 2nd was pivotal to LA's playoff chances. If they won that, they'd only have to beat Utah. And guess what. Dallas shot 12 free throws, and LA shot 33.

[drexlerfan11]

As a Warriors fan, I was honestly impressed last night. If we almost won 8 on 5, I think that says a lot about how we played.

It won't matter what the Lakers do in the playoffs because OKC will get more calls than them each game will be a blowout and a sweep...I hope Durant ref baits like crazy so the Lakers get a taste of there own medicine.

So you do enjoy watching poor/biased officiating, but only if it's in the favor of non-Laker teams.

[mct]

I'm sure Utah fans would be complaining a lot more had we been losing games. The numbers do look a little fishy, but there are two plays that give me faith in the league.

1) Favors' block at the end of the Warrior game. The score was close, Draymond Green drove in, and threw his body into Favors. Favors went straight up, made a clean block, and no foul was called.

2) Favors' contest at the end of the Wolves game. He switched out onto Barea, who got Favors up in the air. There was probably a little contact after the ball was out of Barea's hands. The refs could have given him three free throws, and no one would have been able to complain too much.

Both were clean plays, but, if you ever watch the Jazz, you would know that these are calls that regularly go against Favors. It was nice to see him starting to get some respect from the refs, and the timing is encouraging. The refs could have called two fouls and given the games to the other teams.

[drexlerfan11]

Also this data is eye-opening, but it is not overly convincing evidence for the "conspiracy" claims. This requires watching the games; each game has a unique context. It is interesting that some Jazz posters have different explanations for these discrepancies (see: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1243867 and the post above me). Not saying the truth lies in what they're saying or what someone else is claiming, but just pointing out the fact that there are a number of different explanations. And I'm sure its not just one that's actually in play here.

[Ettorefm]

The Lakers' perimeter defense is the worst in the league FOR SURE. They're one of the worst in rotations and off-ball guarding.
.
That leads to a lot of open looks and shots, and they can abuse Nash, Kobe, Blake easily...not to mention having the 3x DPOY and current rebounding leader below the rim makes it more complicated to get to the line. Players tend not to challenge Howard in the paint. I sure never try to get a contested layup when I'm playing a pick up game and the other team's big is 6'5+. For sure I'm going to get blocked or hit
.
Those are just some explanations for why teams tend to shoot less FT agains the Lakers, but feel free to ignore logic, numbers, advanced stats (that show exactly where teams tend to shoot against the lakers )and rational thinking and go with the 'rigged' thing. Thinking is kinda hard, I get it
.
PS: Suns fan here, Lakers hater for more than a decade. But you can't argue with facts

[shawngoat23]

The data are shocking but they don't tell the whole story. However, watching the games, especially in tight fourth quarter situations, will tell you the rest.

[UnderdogRaptors]

As a Warriors fan, I was honestly impressed last night. If we almost won 8 on 5, I think that says a lot about how we played.

It won't matter what the Lakers do in the playoffs because OKC will get more calls than them each game will be a blowout and a sweep...I hope Durant ref baits like crazy so the Lakers get a taste of there own medicine.

So you do enjoy watching poor/biased officiating, but only if it's in the favor of non-Laker teams.

well the Lakers have gotten this bias officiating for a while now its nothing new but it will be funny to see how they react when KD goes to the line 20 times a game in the playoffs.

[bebit]

http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/4/13/42 ... piracy-nba

SOME INTERESTING ****. THE STATS DONT LIE

[shawngoat23]

It's irrelevant now. Even if they make the playoffs, they're not going anywhere without Kobe.

The Lakers still have a very dangerous team with 3 other HOFs (assuming Nash heals) plus MWP and other solid guys off the bench. I wouldn't count them out even without Kobe.

[druggas]

They asked Pau to go the post more, and screw D'Antoni's offense. Kobe and Dwight kept going to the line like they usually would, and of course you would have a great FTA advantage. The Lakers don't foul a lot... because, well, the perimeter D is so bad opposing teams have an easy time getting wide open jumpers or easy drives to the lane. Dwight Howard is the only one that plays any kind of "defense", on that roster. The rest of the team is a liability on that end.

Honestly, though, if you're convinced there's conspiracy, you really shouldn't be watching the sport.

[drexlerfan11]

http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/4/13/4219640/Los-Angeles-Lakers-playoffs-refs-referee-free-throws-officiating-conspiracy-nba

SOME INTERESTING ****. THE STATS DONT LIE

The stats can't lie because they make no claim on their own. The bulk of the text in this article is the stats presented in written form. Pretty much similar to what's in this thread. The only game the article provides some insight to is the LAL vs GSW game from last night. The conclusion of the article even admits it's own limitations.

Also I would reword the last sentence of the conclusion to this: "Even with the numbers we have here we can say this: Comparing free throw trends in the last 10 games of this playoff chase with season averages there's no doubt the Lakers have received a higher amount of free throws than they normally receive while the Jazz have received less than their normal amount."

[An Unbiased Fan]

Again, Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games. Before that, they went 2-9

Utah has it's BEST stretch of games during what people call ref fixing. Both GS & Hou have doing good too. Take off the tinfoil.

[Tubal]

Again, Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games. Before that, they went 2-9

Utah has it's BEST stretch of games during what people call ref fixing. Both GS & Hou have doing good too. Take off the tinfoil.

YOU DON'T GET IT. FTA IS NOT THE ABSOLUTE DETERMININE FACTOR IN A W/L. REF'S CAN'T WIN OR LOSE A GAME. THEY CAN ONLY CALL MORE/LESS FOULS TO TRY TO MANIPULATE THE GAME. TEAMS CAN STILL WIN IN SPITE OF THE REFS IF THEY PLAY GOOD ENOUGH, WHICH IS WHAT THE JAZZ HAVE BEEN DOING.

During the season, Utah had 23 FTA per game. During the battle for 8th seed, they've had 14 FTA per game. Utah has been playing with a disadvantage while the Lakers have been getting help.

[bebit]

Again, Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games. Before that, they went 2-9

Utah has it's BEST stretch of games during what people call ref fixing. Both GS & Hou have doing good too. Take off the tinfoil.

Don't get why you keep bringing up GSW and Hou as they have already clinched the playoffs. It's the Jazz that stand in the Lakers way.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Again, Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games. Before that, they went 2-9

Utah has it's BEST stretch of games during what people call ref fixing. Both GS & Hou have doing good too. Take off the tinfoil.

YOU DON'T GET IT. FTA IS NOT THE ABSOLUTE DETERMININE FACTOR IN A W/L. REF'S CAN'T WIN OR LOSE A GAME. THEY CAN ONLY CALL MORE/LESS FOULS TO TRY TO MANIPULATE THE GAME. TEAMS CAN STILL WIN IN SPITE OF THE REFS IF THEY PLAY GOOD ENOUGH, WHICH IS WHAT THE JAZZ HAVE BEEN DOING.

During the season, Utah had 23 FTA per game. During the battle for 8th seed, they've had 14 FTA per game. Utah has been playing with a disadvantage while the Lakers have been getting help.

The Laker's FTs over the last 5 games is nearly the same as their season average, what advantage do you speak of? They are taking a whopping 2 more FTs, and that's with Kobe playing crazy minutes, and hack-a-Dwight. The stats refute your very argument.

And you don't fix games by giving a huge volume of FTs. You fix them by getting star players in foul trouble. Stern must be the worst fixer of alltime considering that Utah is 8-2 in their last 10 games, after going 2-9.

Don't get why you keep bringing up GSW and Hou as they have already clinched the playoffs. It's the Jazz that stand in the Lakers way.

because they are only a few games above LA, and Stern could have easily screwed them to increase LA's chances. GS/Hou/Utah have all been winning, so where is the fixing?