To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ

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Do you think b-ball IQ is overrated, or actually non-existent?

No way, it's one of the most important aspect of basketball
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It does exist, but talent is much more important
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There is no such thing as basketball IQ
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#61 » by Swift924 » Fri May 3, 2013 2:45 pm

Nate Robinson is a perfect example of low BBIQ . Just happen a week or to ago on a jump ball he tries to pull the stunt by not jumping and running over to try and get ball . Last night he does it in a important part of the game . He was I believe jumping with Blatche and stood little chance but he didnt jump tried to pull the fast one and gets called on it

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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#62 » by JSmooth93 » Fri May 3, 2013 3:04 pm

Swift924 wrote:Nate Robinson is a perfect example of low BBIQ . Just happen a week or to ago on a jump ball he tries to pull the stunt by not jumping and running over to try and get ball . Last night he does it in a important part of the game . He was I believe jumping with Blatche and stood little chance but he didnt jump tried to pull the fast one and gets called on it

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I don't like Nate but if a 5'8" dude is jumping with a 6"9 dude, I rather he force an inbounds than a jump where the defense can't set up as well.
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#63 » by fleet40 » Fri May 3, 2013 3:09 pm

Like everything in this life - Having a high IQ can give many people an advantage upon others who do not.

LeBron’s IQ for the game of basketball has grown in the past few years. And I cannot stand the HEAT. He is both physically the best player in the world, and his approach to the game and preparation is exemplary.

Watching the game of basketball for so many years has shown me so many players that have a distinct mental advantage over their rivals. And when the game becomes truly easy for players is usually when their minds fully grasp what they are supposed to be doing out on the floor, and what the team as a whole is supposed to be doing and what they trying to accomplish together.

So many guys try to do too much, and they simply cannot wrap their minds around what their true "job" is on their teams. And this goes far beyond just the game of Basketball or sports in general. This goes for everything in our daily lives.

For example. Some folks believe that they can drive their car, be in a full conversation mode on their smart phone. While checking their texts, tweets, and bleeps while at the same time sipping their macchiato as well as putting on their eye liner. This is just one of the many geniuses we run into each and every day. And this same mindset applies to many players on the basketball court since the game has been played.

There has always been mental midgets in the NBA. Doing the same boneheaded mistakes again, and again. Taking the same low percentage shots, again and again. Or how about the huge amount of guys who have been great scorers, but they simply cannot properly help their teams become more successful - because they either cannot do all the little things winning a professional basketball game takes, or simply refuse to do them.

LeBron in today’s game has truly become an NBA genius. He has learned to still be the focal scoring threat on his team. While also helping every single one of his teammates be better with him on the floor. He shoots less bad shots, and posts more than he ever has. He shoots less from the 3 line, and has gotten more efficient shooting from outside. I may not like the guy very much, and the Heat annoy me - But I have to give credit where credit is due.
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#64 » by Higga » Fri May 3, 2013 3:23 pm

It definitely matters. Talent without brains goes wasted(see recent Wizards teams). A low IQ player with talent is just as likely to lose you games with boneheaded plays as he is to win them(Javale McGee is basically the perfect example of this).
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#65 » by GeneralNbaFan » Fri May 3, 2013 3:32 pm

1 person voted for " There is no such thing as basketball IQ". Who was it?
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Post#66 » by Johnny Firpo » Fri May 3, 2013 3:40 pm

erudite23 wrote:To those comma who don't believe in basketball IQ


Comma on...
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Post#67 » by Tave » Fri May 3, 2013 3:42 pm

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tha_rock220 wrote:Compare Gerald Green and prime Tracy McGrady and you'll see why basketball iq is important.


TMac was vastly more skilled at every facet of the game compared to Green; however, I wouldn't cite him as high-IQ player. He skirted by on natural talent and athleticism.


BBIQ is what separated Tmac from Lebron.


No, work ethic and health is what separated McGrady and LeBron.

McGrady was absolutely a high IQ player. It takes a high IQ to be able to transform athleticism into "talent".


No, just because you dribble well or have good footwork doesn't make you a highIQ player.

TMac, given his skillset, size, and athleticism, posed a nightmare matchup problem for the entire league. But he broke down defenses through 1-on-1 dominance. He didn't pick them apart by playing smart basketball.
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Post#68 » by LeChosen1 » Fri May 3, 2013 4:42 pm

Does being good make a person have a High BBIQ or Does having a High BBIQ make a Person good
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#69 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Fri May 3, 2013 4:51 pm

LeChosen1 wrote:Does being good make a person have a High BBIQ or Does having a High BBIQ make a Person good

Probably neither. Two years ago Westbrook was a good player but his BBIQ was at best slightly below average. If a person has a big athletic advantage over somebody they could get by with not playing smart basketball.

Derek Fisher has high basketball IQ and he isn't what most would consider good.
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Post#70 » by ceremony816 » Fri May 3, 2013 4:52 pm

All you need to do is watch the Kobe Doin' Work series to see that BBIQ exists.
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Post#71 » by Yoshun » Fri May 3, 2013 5:54 pm

Tave wrote:
No, just because you dribble well or have good footwork doesn't make you a highIQ player.

TMac, given his skillset, size, and athleticism, posed a nightmare matchup problem for the entire league. But he broke down defenses through 1-on-1 dominance. He didn't pick them apart by playing smart basketball.


My argument is this, it's hard to dominate anything on the NBA level if you do not play smart basketball. TMac dominated because he knew how to read the defense of the other team and exploit it to his advantage. Even when one on one a player needs to be able to read the other player and know where to move, when to take it to the hole, when to pull up, etc... Many, many players in the NBA have great footwork and ball handling skills and are super athletic, but don't dominate. Often it's because they don't read defenses quickly enough, position themselves properly, and make good decisions with and/or without the basketball.
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#72 » by M4P » Fri May 3, 2013 5:56 pm

BBIQ is important but it is grossly exaggerated. Priorgini, despite being 35, still has great stamina and footwork for a guy his age. You can't discredit his other attributes and only prop up his BBIQ. Derek Fisher has great BBIQ but that still doesn't change the fact that he's the worst perimeter defender in the league and an overall net negative.
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Post#73 » by tsherkin » Fri May 3, 2013 6:36 pm

Basketball IQ is, I think too broad a term. We're talking about reading sets, spatial awareness, reaction time, clock management, knowing when to foul, all of the intellectual and perception components of the game.
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Post#74 » by High 5 » Fri May 3, 2013 7:13 pm

What a strange thread. Of course basketball IQ is a real thing.
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Post#75 » by NikolaPekovic » Fri May 3, 2013 7:25 pm

This is why having a point guard to manage games is so important.
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Post#76 » by Chocobanana » Fri May 3, 2013 7:34 pm

Talent > Basketball IQ. Basketball IQ doesn't amount to anything if you have no talent.
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Post#77 » by mixerball » Fri May 3, 2013 11:35 pm

talent can get you in the best league, but only IQ and hard work can keep you there
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#78 » by sunskerr » Sat May 4, 2013 12:00 am

I think the term is very vague...I also think its used by a lot of people who aren't thinking about that and are satisfied with an explanation that I hope will be better defined in the future. Perhaps it is knowing what to do in a small (small) window of time or it being something which certain players have inherently which allows them to become superior at it as they develop their basketball skills. But then again, knowing what to do when you're falling out of bounds (deflect ball of opponent or flop, etc) is completely different from knowing how many seconds are left on the shot clock and so forth.

I dunno, seems like an invention that humans use to explain something that they can't quite yet (but they would like to) or prop up people to be more than they are (as we so like to do). I don't think its as simple as some people make it out to be. Is it inherent? Is it a result of practice? A result of the role the player is expected to perform on court? How separate mentally is knowing where your teammates are on the floor from a skill like shooting or ball handling?
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Re: To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ 

Post#79 » by 83SixersRocked » Sat May 4, 2013 12:14 am

GeneralNbaFan wrote:1 person voted for " There is no such thing as basketball IQ". Who was it?

Me. You gonna egg my house?

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