redraft the current league in their primes

[Volcano]

You aren't the first one to say this, which surprises me a little. Make a case for Pierce over any of these guys:

Lebron
Duncan
Durant
Kobe
KG
Dirk
CP3
Dwight
Wade
Melo

I think there's 10 who are clear-cut over Pierce, and that doesn't count guys like Griffin, Davis, Love, or Curry who will likely have better careers. Sure, his longevity is great, but he was never the kind of player who could carry a team to the playoffs, as everybody on the above list has done. Before KG and Ray got to Boston, he was leading them straight to the lottery in the bad conference.

didn't Pierce make the ECF with Antoine Walker as his #2? I'm not a Celtics fan, but I think when Celtics were hitting the lottery, Pierce was injured for one year and I get the feeling based on his interviews, he didn't really care as much about winning when his team was complete crap and tanking.

[Cyrusman122000]

If Pierce isnt in your top 10 you need to reevaluate.

You aren't the first one to say this, which surprises me a little. Make a case for Pierce over any of these guys:

Lebron
Duncan
Durant
Kobe
KG
Dirk
CP3
Dwight
Wade
Melo

I think there's 10 who are clear-cut over Pierce, and that doesn't count guys like Griffin, Davis, Love, or Curry who will likely have better careers. Sure, his longevity is great, but he was never the kind of player who could carry a team to the playoffs, as everybody on the above list has done. Before KG and Ray got to Boston, he was leading them straight to the lottery in the bad conference.

Prime Paul Pierce is better than Carmelo Anthony, and arguably better than CP3

[Cyrusman122000]

Duncan
James
Garnett
Bryant
Durant
Dirk
Wade
Pierce
Carter
Paul

I left Nash off because it took 8-9 years just for his prime to begin lol. I left Dwight off cause I wouldn't want his personality, and low IQ, low leadership guy as my franchise player. I also felt Prime Pierce, and Carter are underrated here. They would do even better if their primes were in this era.

[NaturalBuns]

Tier 1

Lebron
Duncan
Bryant
Dirk
Durant


Tier 2

Nash
Garnett
Howard
Wade
Paul

Tier 2.5
VC
Pierce

Tier 3
The rest.


That's going off what what title suggest. My top 10 is simple a guy who can carry a team.
I feel like two were left out so I made 2.5 because some of the rosters they had didn't support them that much.
Tier 3 is just the rest I'm not sleeping on anyone the rest outside of my list is just way to hard to rank

[aal04]

As an owner id pick Kobe for 1. Hes a marketing gold mine.

As a manager id pick Tim Duncan. He will stay and he will bring me jewelry.

[aal04]

KD is officially the most overrated player on realgm.

One mvp in which he is deferring to WB and people are rating him above a full KG,wade, Nash, Howard, CP3 career.

[NaturalBuns]

KD is officially the most overrated player on realgm.

One mvp in which he is deferring to WB and people are rating him above a full KG,wade, Nash, Howard, CP3 career.

Not really.
I think your misjudging the thread.

This is who's not the best players for a career .
It's just who's best in prime. It makes a huge difference I think some ppl are ranking it differently

[schnakenpopanz]

People seem to forget how good steve nash was. He led the best offenses for nearly a decade in the league. Easily Top 10.

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[Rosque]

PG: Nash, CP3
SG: Kobe, Wade
SF: LeBron, KD
PF: Dirk, KG
C: Timmy, Jermaine O'Neal

I know I forgot few of them...I apologize, it was not intentional.

[jpengland]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Faaaarrr too big of a group to rank and no definition of what 'prime' is. Do you draft the player for a one season push at a title with their best season? Do you get them for the entire prime? Do you draft them as rookies and have them for their career?

Ridiculous.

[TommyTBolt]

I'm bored and this seemed like fun so here we go...

The Lottery Picks
1. LeBron James
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Dwight Howard
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Kevin Durant
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Chris Paul
10. Paul Pierce
11. Carmelo Anthony
12. Pau Gasol
13. Steve Nash
14. Derrick Rose

The Mid and Low First Rounders
15. Vince Carter
16. Lamarcus Aldridge
17. Amar’e Stoudemire
18. Ray Allen
19. Russell Westbrook
20. Tony Parker
21. Jermaine O’Neal
22. Kevin Love
23. Stephen Curry
24. Blake Griffin
25. Chauncey Billips
26. Zach Randolph
27. Al Jefferson
28. Deron Williams
29. Chris Bosh
30. Rajon Rondo

The Second Rounders
31. Elton Brand
32. Ron Artest
33. DeMarcus Cousins
34. Shawn Marion
35. Lamar Odom
36. Anthony Davis
37. Carlos Boozer
38. James Harden
39. Monta Ellis
40. Andre Iguodala
41. Joe Johnson
42. Gerald Wallace
43. Andrew Bynum
44. Paul George
45. John Wall
46. Manu Ginobili
47. Kyrie Irving
48. David Lee
49. Joakim Noah
50. Marc Gasol
51. David West
52. Kenyon Martin
53. Richard Jefferson
54. Al Horford
55. Luol Deng
56. Jason Richardson
57. Tayshaun Prince
58. DeMar DeRozan
59. Rashard Lewis
60. Paul Millsap

[SunsRback4Good]

How would that draft look ?

1.Duncan
2.LeBron
3.KG
4.Kobe
5.Durant
6.Wade
7.Dirk
8.Rose
9.Paul
10.Howard
11.Anthony Davis
12.Love
13.Westbrook
14.Griffin

Man if a Phoenix chooses one of those players we'd definitively be contenders quickly.

[TommyTBolt]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Faaaarrr too big of a group to rank and no definition of what 'prime' is. Do you draft the player for a one season push at a title with their best season? Do you get them for the entire prime? Do you draft them as rookies and have them for their career?

Ridiculous.

prime is best years first off, that could be age 24 or age 27 or age 31, primes can vary person to person but its when you are at your best. you draft the player for one season, its a ranking basically, it would be pretty silly to draft guys for their careers since alot of players are in the middle of theirs and we dont know they could have a career ending injury tommorow. lebron is obviously a better play in his peak than kobe but if he had a career ending injury tommorow kobe would get the edge on longevity if your drafting, however since we aren't fortune tellers or prophets we will just say for one year at their peak.

not that hard to figure out, if your too dumb to understand the idea dont participate go to another thread no need to hate like that.

[TommyTBolt]

when making my list here are some players that seem underrated by the younger fans...
Amar'e Stoudemire in his prime was a 26 point, 9 rebound, freak of nature that could jump through the roof of the gym and even racked up a couple blocks a game despite not being a great defender just based off his pure athleticism.

Jermaine O'Neal in his prime was a 24 and 10 guy, 24 points per game, 10 rebounds per game and an intense defender.

Elton Brand was 23 and 10 with good defense and a great basketball iq

Ron Artest was the best defender in the league and was a 20 ppg scorer at the same time. Imagine Tony Allen today if he was averaging 20 points, 6 rebounds, 3 or 4 dimes to go along with his all world D.

Shawn Marion was a 20/10 guy who was a great athletic defender and could defend multiple positions.

Lamar Odom remember was one of the most versatile players in the game and could average 17 pts / 10 reb / 5 or 6 assists

Gerald Wallace was a 19 pt / 9 rebound guy who was playing all league defense while toiling away on horrible bobcat teams.

Richard Jefferson was once a 22 ppg scorer on a team that went to two NBA finals

these guys might seem like old bums now adays but lets not forget there was a time when these guys were top flight players and could hold their own with some of these young bucks. please no more lists with guys like klay thompson ranked over artest / brand / marion.

[TommyTBolt]

People seem to forget how good steve nash was. He led the best offenses for nearly a decade in the league. Easily Top 10.

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We can agree to disagree about his ranking being top 10, I could see it but I have him 14 on my list. However don't tell me "easily". Lets assume he is not easily better than Lebron / Duncan / Garnett / Kobe the top 4 on any reasonable persons list in some particular order.

Nash in his prime was a 19 ppg, 11 and a half assist, 4 rebound floor general for like you said the best offense in the game although non existent defense. He had a perfect coach and a perfect partner in crime in Amar'e for his best seasons. Always had plenty of help scoring on that offense maybe thats why his scoring NEVER reached 20 ppg because he had Amar'e, Marion, Richardson who were all 20 ppg scorers. With all of that in context I again acknowledge he was a heck of a player but easily top 10, easily better than...
Howard - 22 pts per game, 14.5 rebounds, 3 blocks / very good defense
Wade - 30 ppg, 7.5 assists, 6 rebounds, very good defense
Durant - 30 ppg, 5 assists, 8 rebounds, equally high shooting percentage
Nowitzki - 26 ppg, 9 rebounds, equally high shooting percentage
Paul - equals Nash's 11.5 assists but 22.5 pts, very good defense / 3 steals compared to none from nash
Pierce - 26 pts / 5 assists / 7 rebounds / 2 steals / 1 block - all around player, scorer, distributor, rebounder, defender, clutch
Anthony - 29 pts / 8 rebounds
Gasol - 21 pts / 11 rebounds / 4 assists and good ball movement
Rose - 4 less assists but 6 more points at 25 and 7.5
Vince Carter - 27 pts / 5 assists / 5 rebounds

I could name a few more but I don't it's easy to say in their best seasons that Steve Nash is "easily" better than any of those guys.

[TommyTBolt]

KD is officially the most overrated player on realgm.

One mvp in which he is deferring to WB and people are rating him above a full KG,wade, Nash, Howard, CP3 career.

I disagree.

He is the number 2 overrated player on realgm behind Harden. There are so many Harden dick riders its amazing he is a good player and I used to think he was underrated when he was first drafted but he is one of the biggest beneficiaries of "superstar calls from refs" and he is a choke artists evidenced not only by his disappearing act this playoffs but his airballed shot to tie I believe it was game 2 of the finals with the Heat when he was on OKC I remember him being wide open and airballing for that good of a shooter, one thing, choke artist.

As far as Durant, I agree to an extent, KG, Wade, Howard were all clearly ahead of Durant. However I think he easily beats Nash and slightly beats CP3. Neither Nash or CP3 have been to a finals and Durant has, meaning as the best player on his team in his prime he did something the other two havent. Nash had as much or more talent albeit in a more top heavy Western Conference. Nash played with prime A'mare, and Marion who I had a 17 and 34 on my list while Durant played with Westbrook and Harden numbers 19 and 38 on my list. Nash was an assists machine but thats the only thing he did better than Durant. Durant is a better scorer and rebounder and a better defender by default because Nash is a stiff. CP3 is a little bit closer since he scores better than Nash and is a MUCH better defender but I give Durant the edge since he got his team to the finals in his prime and CP3 hasn't, fair or not if the Clippers make the finals this year I would be forced to move him over Durant.

[TommyTBolt]

Tier 1

Lebron
Duncan
Bryant
Dirk
Durant


Tier 2

Nash
Garnett
Howard
Wade
Paul

Tier 2.5
VC
Pierce

Tier 3
The rest.


That's going off what what title suggest. My top 10 is simple a guy who can carry a team.
I feel like two were left out so I made 2.5 because some of the rosters they had didn't support them that much.
Tier 3 is just the rest I'm not sleeping on anyone the rest outside of my list is just way to hard to rank

Just to illustrate the point I was agreeing with the last guy on. To not have Garnett in Tier 1 is criminal. Garnett is the only guy I could really see anyone arguing over Duncan for 2 or LeBron for one because if you dropped prime Garnett in todays game and gave him a prime Dwayne Wade I believe they would win titles just as easily as LeBron is. It's not just his lack of help but also the fact that his absolute prime years on mediocre supporting casts went head to head with Shaq's who happens to be a top 10 all time player who was on a team that gave him proper support.

If you think that prime Dirk/Durant/Howard are on another level than prime Garnett your outta your mind. It's the other way around. The gap between Garnett and Lebron for no.1 is probably smaller than the gap between Garnett and whoever you pick no.5 after Kobe goes.

Prime Garnett - 24 points, 14 rebounds, 6 assists, 1.5 steals, 2 blocks
Prime Howard - 22 points, 14 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks
Prime Durant - 30 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 block
Prime Nowitzki - 26 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Faaaarrr too big of a group to rank and no definition of what 'prime' is. Do you draft the player for a one season push at a title with their best season? Do you get them for the entire prime? Do you draft them as rookies and have them for their career?

Ridiculous.

Not that complicated. A player's prime is their peak years.

If you had to order the best players if you are looking at the best possible version of them in what order would you pick them up from best to worst

A top 10 wouldn't be that hard to make considering at least 5 guys are locks for the top ten (KG/Lebron/Kobe/Duncan/Wade)

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I'm bored and this seemed like fun so here we go...

I disagree with a couple that are understandable choices, however, Pau Gasol is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to high up on your list

[QPR]

KD is officially the most overrated player on realgm.

One mvp in which he is deferring to WB and people are rating him above a full KG,wade, Nash, Howard, CP3 career.

Well currently his prime is a 32/8/5 season on 50/40/88 clips. As has been stated it's not a "whose career would you take?" thread.