NBA looking to change Draft Lottery; 76ers say no

[omerome]

So you'd be ok with what they were doing if they had traded cap space for useless players along with draft picks? Sure, that would have been nice (though they did this to a small extent). But it wouldn't change the tank outcome that you appear so offended by.

Well, what do you expect other teams to do for the Sixers? Bail them out? You don't think a veteran can help a team like the Sixers? While their contract may be a negative, it's that negative that the Sixers can ask for future draft picks in exchange. At least I can see they are trying to do something instead of purposely lose.

If I was a Sixers ticket holder, you can sell that to me much easier instead of saying "watch the Sixers lose 60+ games all for the low low price of $25 a game!"

What exactly would a veteran help the Sixers do? Win 25 games instead of 19? Would that appease the masses?

YES.

While they may only win six more games because of a veteran presence, it could help with the growth of someone like Carter-Williams or any of their other young players. That would defintely appease the masses because they can see progress.

[BullyKing]

Not sure why you asked the last question.

Because you apparently fail to understand that regardless of whether you like what the Sixers are doing, they are playing by the rules as they exist. It's unfair to change the rules without any warning when teams have already done things based on the rules that exist.

Also, a full year to basically say that the NBA is chaning the percentage the worst team is getting isnt a terrible thing imo. They 76ers had a year to destroy their team in hopes of drafting the #1 prospect. They have another full year to figure out how to adjust for the new format.

They are talking about implementing the change for THIS year. After the offseason is all but complete.

[BullyKing]

Well, what do you expect other teams to do for the Sixers? Bail them out? You don't think a veteran can help a team like the Sixers? While their contract may be a negative, it's that negative that the Sixers can ask for future draft picks in exchange. At least I can see they are trying to do something instead of purposely lose.

If I was a Sixers ticket holder, you can sell that to me much easier instead of saying "watch the Sixers lose 60+ games all for the low low price of $25 a game!"

What exactly would a veteran help the Sixers do? Win 25 games instead of 19? Would that appease the masses?

YES.

While they may only win 6 more games because of a veteran presence, it could help with the growth of someone like Carter-Williams or any of their other young players. That would defintely appease the masses because they can see growth.

LOL, ok, sure.

[Snotbubbles]

If there's anything the Sixers prove in the last two years, it's that you don't need to have the no.1 pick to get the best players in the draft.

Sixers didn't had the no.1 pick for MCW and Noel. Sixers again didn't have the no.1 pick for Embiid.

Changing the system on the other hand would just make teams with poor scouts and FO a harder time to improve their team.

This move only benefits the big market teams by eliminating the advantage that is the ONLY advantage by small market teams because of their difficulty to lure big time FA to sign with them. They will now rely on more luck in the lotto and more luck that some teams would just bend over them.

This big market/small market argument doesn't make sense to me. The last two teams that won a championship were not big market teams. The Thunder isn't a big market team and they are title contenders. Look at Portland, they have a young up and coming team as well and they aren't one of the highest earners, either.

It's about environment. If you have a coach/management that has the goal about building a winning organization, players will want to play there. If your direction is to lose games to get lottery picks, your organization is a losing one. Who wants to play for a losing organization? Win games and that's your bait to FAs.

Guess you were asleep when the OKC was created. They stunk for multiple years and drafted Durant (#2), Westbrook (#4) and Harden (#3) in consecutive drafts.

[biggestbullsfan]

If there's anything the Sixers prove in the last two years, it's that you don't need to have the no.1 pick to get the best players in the draft.

Sixers didn't had the no.1 pick for MCW and Noel. Sixers again didn't have the no.1 pick for Embiid.

Changing the system on the other hand would just make teams with poor scouts and FO a harder time to improve their team.

This move only benefits the big market teams by eliminating the advantage that is the ONLY advantage by small market teams because of their difficulty to lure big time FA to sign with them. They will now rely on more luck in the lotto and more luck that some teams would just bend over them.

If a team has a poor FO and scouts, get better ones. No one said it would be an easy process. But if you're simply depending on luck to win, you're doing a terrible job running a team.

This big market/small market argument doesn't make sense to me. The last two teams that won a championship were not big market teams. The Thunder isn't a big market team and they are title contenders. Look at Portland, they have a young up and coming team as well and they aren't one of the highest earners, either.

It's about environment. If you have a coach/management that has the goal about building a winning organization, players will want to play there. If your direction is to lose games to get lottery picks, your organization is a losing one. Who wants to play for a losing organization? Win games and that's your bait to FAs.

Sigh. And the way to start winning games is by getting good players with high draft picks like Miami with Wade, OKC with Durant, or SAS with Duncan.

1. No one is taking away their chances of getting #1, just making it more balanced at the bottom of the lottery.

2. Having #1 doesnt guarantee you get a great player. Its proper drafting. If you team is bad at drafting, then that has nothing to do with what pick you made, becuase those same #1's went to Olawakandi, Kwami Brown, Andre Bennet, etc. Its the right pick not the high pick. Also, Durant went #2. Since we making facts.

3. You mention those dtars but plenty of starts didnt go #1. Wade, Melo, McGrady, Kobe, Shaw, Bosh, friggin Jordan! etc etc. I bet those #1 teams wish they could have made those choices over again.

I think it says more about what the 6ers think about their ability to run a successful organization than it does about the league being unfair to a team "rebuilding".

[sorokii]

Changes like this should be done with at least 2 seasons notice.

[LloydFree]

Go ahead and change the system. But they shouldn't have waited until after the Draft and Free agency period to try to change rules for the upcoming season.
The NBA let Orlando and Cleveland get away with blatant tanking for two year periods without a thought. Now its an issue?

They lost Lebron. I think anything after Lebron is probably considered tanking. Also they tried to get better. They traded for Deng and Hawes with hopes of making the playoffs.

And the Magic actually had a talented young roster. A fan of alot of their current guys too.

The 76ers literally traded away all their players for a bag of chips. None of those trades brought back meaningful young talent. Its not the same. If they didnt make any trades last year, they wouldve made the playoffs in the east. Thats how sad the east is.

Cleveland lost Lebron 5 years ago. They traded for Hawes and Deng the 2nd half of last year. They tanked and held out healthy players from 2010 to 2013.

And Orlando's 'not so talented' young roster won 23 games last year. Four (4) more than the 76ers. And those talented players only won 20 the year before. So they should be praised because they covered up their tanking a little better? Silly.

[biggestbullsfan]

Because you apparently fail to understand that regardless of whether you like what the Sixers are doing, they are playing by the rules as they exist. It's unfair to change the rules without any warning when teams have already done things based on the rules that exist.

Also, a full year to basically say that the NBA is chaning the percentage the worst team is getting isnt a terrible thing imo. They 76ers had a year to destroy their team in hopes of drafting the #1 prospect. They have another full year to figure out how to adjust for the new format.

They are talking about implementing the change for THIS year. After the offseason is all but complete.

They have 11 months. The lottery literally just ended last months. I said next year as in 2015. Not saying the 2015-2016 season

[BullyKing]

If a team has a poor FO and scouts, get better ones. No one said it would be an easy process. But if you're simply depending on luck to win, you're doing a terrible job running a team.

This big market/small market argument doesn't make sense to me. The last two teams that won a championship were not big market teams. The Thunder isn't a big market team and they are title contenders. Look at Portland, they have a young up and coming team as well and they aren't one of the highest earners, either.

It's about environment. If you have a coach/management that has the goal about building a winning organization, players will want to play there. If your direction is to lose games to get lottery picks, your organization is a losing one. Who wants to play for a losing organization? Win games and that's your bait to FAs.

Sigh. And the way to start winning games is by getting good players with high draft picks like Miami with Wade, OKC with Durant, or SAS with Duncan.

1. No one is taking away their chances of getting #1, just making it more balanced at the bottom of the lottery.

2. Having #1 doesnt guarantee you get a great player. Its proper drafting. If you team is bad at drafting, then that has nothing to do with what pick you made, becuase those same #1's went to Olawakandi, Kwami Brown, Andre Bennet, etc. Its the right pick not the high pick. Also, Durant went #2. Since we making facts.

3. You mention those dtars but plenty of starts didnt go #1. Wade, Melo, McGrady, Kobe, Shaw, Bosh, friggin Jordan! etc etc. I bet those #1 teams wish they could have made those choices over again.

I think it says more about what the 6ers think about their ability to run a successful organization than it does about the league being unfair to a team "rebuilding".

No one is talking about guaranteeing the No. 1 pick or that getting that pick is the only way to be good. But the current proposal would have the worst team with equal chances of getting the 6th pick as the 1st. How many of the guys you listed were that at 6? Kobe - back when NBA teams were scared of HS players?

[j-ragg]

Orlando is doing a much better job then them right now

Don't think it's really laughable, but the thread has nothing to do with the Magic.

[biggestbullsfan]

Go ahead and change the system. But they shouldn't have waited until after the Draft and Free agency period to try to change rules for the upcoming season.
The NBA let Orlando and Cleveland get away with blatant tanking for two year periods without a thought. Now its an issue?

They lost Lebron. I think anything after Lebron is probably considered tanking. Also they tried to get better. They traded for Deng and Hawes with hopes of making the playoffs.

And the Magic actually had a talented young roster. A fan of alot of their current guys too.

The 76ers literally traded away all their players for a bag of chips. None of those trades brought back meaningful young talent. Its not the same. If they didnt make any trades last year, they wouldve made the playoffs in the east. Thats how sad the east is.

Cleveland lost Lebron 5 years ago. They traded for Hawes and Deng the 2nd half of last year. They tanked and held out healthy players from 2010 to 2013.

What healthy players did they sit out that mattered? Irving played when healthy, and waiters played. They both were injury plagued before they even came to the NBA. Everyone else sucks on that team.

[BullyKing]

Also, a full year to basically say that the NBA is chaning the percentage the worst team is getting isnt a terrible thing imo. They 76ers had a year to destroy their team in hopes of drafting the #1 prospect. They have another full year to figure out how to adjust for the new format.

They are talking about implementing the change for THIS year. After the offseason is all but complete.

They have 11 months. The lottery literally just ended last months. I said next year as in 2015. Not saying the 2015-2016 season

And, aside from injuries, the next 11 months, cumulatively, have much less opportunity to change your team than the previous 6 weeks.

[omerome]

Sigh. And the way to start winning games is by getting good players with high draft picks like Miami with Wade, OKC with Durant, or SAS with Duncan.

I had no problem when it happened to those teams. I'd have no problem if the Sixers drafted a player with a high draft pick, but not simply throwing seasons away to do it.

[76ciology]

What Sixers is doing is actually the best for the league. Because it is the FASTEST and has the LOWEST CHANCE FOR FAILURE way of building a contender. And the amount of current assets the Sixers has right now and the projected assets they have in the next 2 seasons should speak volumes on the effectiveness of this plan.

By Sixers' 3rd year in their rebuilding plan they will have..

MCW
NOEL
EMBIID
SARIC
2015 lotto
2016 lotto
30m in cap space

McDaniels
Jerami Grant
Wroten
Thaddeus Young

ALL IN JUST 3 YEARS

If we are looking out to 2016, highly unlikely Thad is there. But it doesn't matter - the Sixers are ruining the competitive balance of the league by not signing guys so they could lose by 15 every night instead of 20.

But in the long term (projected to be in the playoffs by 2016; 3rd year), having anotheryoung contender in the east will be greatly beneficial for the league for a long time.

[OrlandoNed]

If there's anything the Sixers prove in the last two years, it's that you don't need to have the no.1 pick to get the best players in the draft.

Sixers didn't had the no.1 pick for MCW and Noel. Sixers again didn't have the no.1 pick for Embiid.

Changing the system on the other hand would just make teams with poor scouts and FO a harder time to improve their team.

This move only benefits the big market teams by eliminating the advantage that is the ONLY advantage by small market teams because of their difficulty to lure big time FA to sign with them. They will now rely on more luck in the lotto and more luck that some teams would just bend over them.

It has been proven that MCW/Noel and Embiid are the best players in their respective drafts? News to me. I didn't know you could go without playing a single NBA minute and be proven to be the best in your draft class.

You could argue that MCW is the best in the 2013 draft but when is a rookie of the year award proof of that? Tyreke Evans won the 2009 ROY award, but does anybody think he's better than James Harden, Blake Griffin or Stephen Curry? No way.

[biggestbullsfan]

Sigh. And the way to start winning games is by getting good players with high draft picks like Miami with Wade, OKC with Durant, or SAS with Duncan.

1. No one is taking away their chances of getting #1, just making it more balanced at the bottom of the lottery.

2. Having #1 doesnt guarantee you get a great player. Its proper drafting. If you team is bad at drafting, then that has nothing to do with what pick you made, becuase those same #1's went to Olawakandi, Kwami Brown, Andre Bennet, etc. Its the right pick not the high pick. Also, Durant went #2. Since we making facts.

3. You mention those dtars but plenty of starts didnt go #1. Wade, Melo, McGrady, Kobe, Shaw, Bosh, friggin Jordan! etc etc. I bet those #1 teams wish they could have made those choices over again.

I think it says more about what the 6ers think about their ability to run a successful organization than it does about the league being unfair to a team "rebuilding".

No one is talking about guaranteeing the No. 1 pick or that getting that pick is the only way to be good. But the current proposal would have the worst team with equal chances of getting the 6th pick as the 1st. How many of the guys you listed were that at 6? Kobe - back when NBA teams were scared of HS players?

Kobe, Larry Bird, Mcgrady, Paul George, Stephen Curry, Noah, Rudy Gay, Nene, amare when he was a healthy all star etc. Talent is talent. Most superstars go in the top few picks but at the end of the day, its the scouts job to determine talent.

[[e]]

Oh the team that wants to tank doesn't want the lottery system to change. What a surprise lol

I don't think it needs to change, but don't care if it does. I think they should simplify it - while giving teams better odds to win the lottery.

14 teams in lottery. Worst team gets 14 chances at 1st pick. First team to miss Playoffs gets 1 chance at getting first pick. Don't only draw for the first 3 picks or whatever, do it for the entire lottery.

These would be the odds for each of the 14 teams at their chance of landing the 1st pick
13.33%
12.38%
11.43%
10.48%
9.52%
8.57%
7.62%
6.67%
5.71%
4.76%
3.81%
2.86%
1.90%
0.95%

[BullyKing]

Sigh. And the way to start winning games is by getting good players with high draft picks like Miami with Wade, OKC with Durant, or SAS with Duncan.

I had no problem when it happened to those teams. I'd have no problem if the Sixers drafted a player with a high draft pick, but not simply throwing seasons away to do it.

You mean like the Spurs sitting out Sean Elliott? Or do you mean the pre-Durant Sonics giving over 25 minutes a game EACH to Nick Collison, Luke Ridnour, Earl Watson, Chris Wilcox, and Damien Wilkins. Or maybe the big minutes they got from Johan Petro (18.6mpg), or the 18 mpg for something named Mickael Gelabale.

[LloydFree]

Sigh. And the way to start winning games is by getting good players with high draft picks like Miami with Wade, OKC with Durant, or SAS with Duncan.

I had no problem when it happened to those teams. I'd have no problem if the Sixers drafted a player with a high draft pick, but not simply throwing seasons away to do it.

The lack of knowledge of history is astonishing. San Antonio got Tim Duncan by "throwing away" a season. They famously beat out Boston, who was also 'throwing away' a season to get him.

Additionally: Houston got Olajuwon by shamelessly sitting their starters the entire last two months of a season. And Cleveland out-dueled Denver in a season long tank war for Lebron the first time. Stop acting like last year was the 1st time this happened.

[Sixteen]

People need to get lives. I cant think of any other reason why a non sixers fan would get so ticked off about it besides jealously.