Spurs waive Jimmer Fredette

[StocktonShorts]

Couple things about Jimmer I noticed:

1. Everyone compares his size/athleticism to Curry, and why couldn't he succeed when Curry did. Curry is probably about an average athlete by NBA standards, but Jimmer is well below this. Another thing is Curry is definitely 1-2 inches taller with longer arms. Shrink Curry to the size of Jimmer and he's going to see a lot of his shotmaking disappear.

Based on DX's draft combine measurements it looks like Jimmer's wingspan/height ratio and standing reach/height ratio are both larger than Curry's, suggesting he actually has longer arms.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

Curry: 6'2" height w/o shoes, 6'3.5" wingspan, 8'1" standing reach
Jimmer: 6'0.75" height w/o shoes, 6'4.5" wingspan, 8'0.5" standing reach

[Tinseltown]

Jimmer has a sort of poor man's Tebow aura about him at this point. I don't imagine he's going to get another shot at the NBA.

Poor man's Tebow is right

Tebow took over a 1-4 Broncos team and led them to a playoff win. He is absolutely good enough to play in the NFL and isn't getting a chance because of his celebrity. Jimmer just sucks

Tim?

Obviously not. Tim Tebow would never say anything negative about another person

[jbk1234]

I was watching Fredette in a tourney game with my buddy who was one of his biggest fans. He was just get roasted by whoever he was guarding and I told him then that Jimmy would never make it the pros because they guy he could guard in that game would be a back up in the NBA. He just didn't have the later quickness.

[durden_tyler]

Even though he's undersized, I still thought he'd find a place in the NBA. he still might, he can shoot the ball.

Apparently he a "shooter" who can't shoot the ball so...

[Johnlac1]

Even though he's undersized, I still thought he'd find a place in the NBA. he still might, he can shoot the ball.

Apparently he a "shooter" who can't shoot the ball so...

So shooting over 40% from threes one year and close to 50% the next is not shooting the ball?

[pr0wler]

I think regardless of his lack of position, athleticism, handles etc. I think offensively he is a viable player in the NBA. A SG off the bench who can shoot the ball really well and put points on the board. However, as others mentioned, his defense is horrendous and although his offensive output is respectable...it's not enough to compensate for the fact that he's a huge defensive liability.

[AgentDRL]

Couple things about Jimmer I noticed:

1. Everyone compares his size/athleticism to Curry, and why couldn't he succeed when Curry did. Curry is probably about an average athlete by NBA standards, but Jimmer is well below this. Another thing is Curry is definitely 1-2 inches taller with longer arms. Shrink Curry to the size of Jimmer and he's going to see a lot of his shotmaking disappear.

Based on DX's draft combine measurements it looks like Jimmer's wingspan/height ratio and standing reach/height ratio are both larger than Curry's, suggesting he actually has longer arms.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

Curry: 6'2" height w/o shoes, 6'3.5" wingspan, 8'1" standing reach
Jimmer: 6'0.75" height w/o shoes, 6'4.5" wingspan, 8'0.5" standing reach

Or that Jimmer is just broader across the shoulders than Curry, which may give him that litte bit extra on the wingspan. But completely get your point though for sure....

[og15]

How many 6'2" guys who couldn't play point guard have been successful in the NBA? It's hard to think of any. Like, really hard.

Allen Iverson is the closest I can come up with, because he often played shooting guard but he could and did play point guard. In fact his assist numbers are quite good given how many shots he also put up.

Joe Dumars is another that comes to mind, but I just looked and he's listed at 6'3". And he also could play some point.

Iverson could play PG though, and he still played a lot of PG.

Even though he's undersized, I still thought he'd find a place in the NBA. he still might, he can shoot the ball.

Apparently he a "shooter" who can't shoot the ball so...

So shooting over 40% from threes one year and close to 50% the next is not shooting the ball?

Yea, the guy can certainly shoot, career 38% 3PT on 504 3PA and 88% FT, that's being able to shoot. Even his shot and long mid-range percentages are respectable as well as his at rim percentages even if he isn't getting there a lot. Last season with the Pelicans was certainly an awful outlier with him shooting as well as Lance Stephenson from 3PT range.

Still, if he had elite handles, which means he's getting wherever he wants, he's creating better seperation, and he's impacting more as a playmaker, then you have more offensive value that could possible justify keeping him on the court even as a poor defender.

[DrCoach]

Couple things about Jimmer I noticed:

1. Everyone compares his size/athleticism to Curry, and why couldn't he succeed when Curry did. Curry is probably about an average athlete by NBA standards, but Jimmer is well below this. Another thing is Curry is definitely 1-2 inches taller with longer arms. Shrink Curry to the size of Jimmer and he's going to see a lot of his shotmaking disappear.

Based on DX's draft combine measurements it looks like Jimmer's wingspan/height ratio and standing reach/height ratio are both larger than Curry's, suggesting he actually has longer arms.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

Curry: 6'2" height w/o shoes, 6'3.5" wingspan, 8'1" standing reach
Jimmer: 6'0.75" height w/o shoes, 6'4.5" wingspan, 8'0.5" standing reach

I love when facts squash incorrect opinions

[DaddyCool19]

Patty Mills is a pretty decent bench gunner and not a real PG. Manu is more of a playmaker on the bench of the Spurs. I think if Jimmer was slightly more athletic(maybe with better handles) or 2 inches taller he would still be in the league as a 15-18 mpg scorer from the bench.

[Manute Lol]

IMO, it's entirely possible that Jimmer's defensive problems compared to a guy like Curry are mainly the result of bad habits and bad coaching rather than any glaring athletic deficiency. I'm sure that's what the Spurs were hoping when they handed him that contract.

As a Dubs fan, I think the failure of the Jimmer experiment is actually pretty significant. Losing Bellinelli's bench shooting was a bigger blow to San Antonio than a lot of folks seem to think, and Jimmer was their home run swing to replace Marco on the cheap. It didn't work out, but it was a good idea.

[ALL HAIL]

I've always thought he'd look great as a (straight) backup to Curry.

Off the bench with Iguodala and Livingston, two long facilitators (who can't consistently shoot straight), Fredette would look really good.

[Renkz]

So either Keith "not very" Smart or Bobby Jackson doesn't like Jimmer and decided to anonymously stab him in the back? Nice.

Watch Jimmer go through the Spurs 100 recently. His lowest score was 82 and he hit 89 out of 100 three pointers on the move:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/9/28/9391773/video-jimmer-fredette-shoots-84-100-on-spurs-100-drill?_ga=1.189281963.1432726407.1445785297

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=37Jr-ugVlG4

Jimmer will be fine. Yes, his defense is bad, just a little better statistically than Enes Kanter. But there is a team out there that needs a shooter, even if it's in Europe or China.

He's still too slow on his release off the catch. I knew Jimmer wouldn't be a star in the NBA, but I thought he could have carved out a role like JJ Reddick did. After seeing that vid I'm not surprised he couldn't.

That youtube video highlights the exact issue. That hitch in his shot is terrible, but that's what made him successful in college. I remember his thing was to shoot long pull up threes in transition. That hitch actually made his shot stronger, as it gave his shot an extra push off of his running momentum, and since he jacked up shots way behind the arc defenders wouldn't usually defend him close enough for that slow release to be a problem. At the NBA level, he was expected to play a traditional role as more of a 3 point specialist, and defenders close out a lot quicker in the NBA.

100%. That hitch is much worse than I remember. And most of his shots were catch and shots.... imagine how slow it is off the dribble. It reminds me of the problem that DRose has sometimes.

So in a today's drive and kick league, Jimmer:

1. too slow to help and close out on shooters
2. no 1st step quickness
3. slow dribbler
4. can't create space off the dribble
5. hitch in shot that allows defenders to recover easily.

[dc]

Based on DX's draft combine measurements it looks like Jimmer's wingspan/height ratio and standing reach/height ratio are both larger than Curry's, suggesting he actually has longer arms.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

Curry: 6'2" height w/o shoes, 6'3.5" wingspan, 8'1" standing reach
Jimmer: 6'0.75" height w/o shoes, 6'4.5" wingspan, 8'0.5" standing reach

I love when facts squash incorrect opinions[/quote]

As mentioned, this just proves Jimmer is broader across the chest/shoulders. Doesn't necessarily mean he has longer arms.

[dc]

I've always thought he'd look great as a (straight) backup to Curry.

Off the bench with Iguodala and Livingston, two long facilitators (who can't consistently shoot straight), Fredette would look really good.

Warriors had the season they did in large part because they were the best defensive team in the league. That scheme would completely fall apart every minute Jimmer is on the floor. You can't have that big of an individual liability on the floor with the way they scheme their D. It's constant switching, which means you have to guard multiple positions. Jimmer can't even guard half a position, never mind 2-3 positions.

The Warriors signed Ian Clark in attempt to fill the role you described, and right now it looks as if he's going to make the team.

[Johnlac1]

IMO, it's entirely possible that Jimmer's defensive problems compared to a guy like Curry are mainly the result of bad habits and bad coaching rather than any glaring athletic deficiency. I'm sure that's what the Spurs were hoping when they handed him that contract.

As a Dubs fan, I think the failure of the Jimmer experiment is actually pretty significant. Losing Bellinelli's bench shooting was a bigger blow to San Antonio than a lot of folks seem to think, and Jimmer was their home run swing to replace Marco on the cheap. It didn't work out, but it was a good idea.

Contrary to what many people believe, players can improve their defensive reactions with certain exercises. I wonder if Fredette ever worked on that? Plus, his ballhandling wasn't as good as it should be for someone who wanted to play point.
Having said that, if Fredette is on his game, he's a dangerous off. player. Teams should have been working to get him shot opportunities the same as they do with Redick or Korver. And Fredette is a better one on one player than either of those two. But those two are not the def. liabilities Fredette is.
As he can't play anywhere near NBA level defense, he'll have problems getting playing time.....or now just on a team.

[dc]

I think if Jimmer was slightly more athletic(maybe with better handles) or 2 inches taller he would still be in the league as a 15-18 mpg scorer from the bench.

Same could be said of lots of other of undersized PFs and SGs playing overseas or in the D-League right now.

At the end of the day, he just can't get his shot off in the pros the same way he did in college. Guy was an absolute mad bomber at BYU, but he just doesn't have the daylight in the pros to get shots off the same way.

So his greatest strength from college is largely negated in the pros and he's well below average in just about every other aspect of the game at the pro level. There's not much else he can contribute and he's now just a severely deficient role player.

[ALL HAIL]

I've always thought he'd look great as a (straight) backup to Curry.

Off the bench with Iguodala and Livingston, two long facilitators (who can't consistently shoot straight), Fredette would look really good.

Warriors had the season they did in large part because they were the best defensive team in the league. That scheme would completely fall apart every minute Jimmer is on the floor. You can't have that big of an individual liability on the floor with the way they scheme their D. It's constant switching, which means you have to guard multiple positions. Jimmer can't even guard half a position, never mind 2-3 positions.

The Warriors signed Ian Clark in attempt to fill the role you described, and right now it looks as if he's going to make the team.

I hear you.

To me he's no worse of a defender than Craig Hodges or Steve Kerr were.

He just needs his mojo back, that's all. He needs the right situation.

[DrCoach]

Based on DX's draft combine measurements it looks like Jimmer's wingspan/height ratio and standing reach/height ratio are both larger than Curry's, suggesting he actually has longer arms.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

Curry: 6'2" height w/o shoes, 6'3.5" wingspan, 8'1" standing reach
Jimmer: 6'0.75" height w/o shoes, 6'4.5" wingspan, 8'0.5" standing reach

I love when facts squash incorrect opinions

As mentioned, this just proves Jimmer is broader across the chest/shoulders. Doesn't necessarily mean he has longer arms.[/quote]


It means his wingspan and standing reach are the same as S. Curry nullifying the arguement that he is smaller

[dc]

Based on DX's draft combine measurements it looks like Jimmer's wingspan/height ratio and standing reach/height ratio are both larger than Curry's, suggesting he actually has longer arms.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

Curry: 6'2" height w/o shoes, 6'3.5" wingspan, 8'1" standing reach
Jimmer: 6'0.75" height w/o shoes, 6'4.5" wingspan, 8'0.5" standing reach

I love when facts squash incorrect opinions

As mentioned, this just proves Jimmer is broader across the chest/shoulders. Doesn't necessarily mean he has longer arms.

It means his wingspan and standing reach are the same as S. Curry nullifying the arguement that he is smaller[/quote]

Ike Diogu (2005 combine) had a standing reach 1 " taller than Anthony Davis and his wingspan was just 1 inch shorter. Didn't change the fact that he was still a way undersized "bigman" and nobody would say he's the same or similar size as AD.

Curry's game would take a hit if he was the same body size as Jimmer.