The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right?

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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#61 » by og15 » Mon May 9, 2016 3:49 am

Jagic Mohnson wrote:
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They made a mistake by giving Milsap a 20 mill per year deal.


29 other teams would be willing to fix that "mistake" and give up assets to make it happen.


Would you give brandon bass 20 mill per year because that is who Milsap plays like. Check out the stats, defensive and offensive ratings.

Now you're just killing your own credibility
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#62 » by DusterBuster » Mon May 9, 2016 3:58 am

theGreatRC wrote:Minny gives #5 pick, Bazz for Millsap. Hawks shed salary, get a young athletic wing stuck on the bench of a talented roster and get to have a top 5 pick. Wolves get good quick and Hawks rebuild moves along faster than expected


Really, thats a super shortsighted move imo.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#63 » by Scalabrine » Mon May 9, 2016 4:59 am

0to100 wrote:It is pretty clear that many people in this thread don't watch the Hawks and I could care less. But some of the statements here are pretty ridiculous. We actually had a shakeup when we let Josh Smith go and signed Millsap 2013 and last year we won 60 games. But now the new team is getting old and our main problem is that we don't have a superstar player. If we could sign a good SG/SF who has star potential or who can score in the playoffs when things get though we could actually matchup against Cleveland very well.


Who is that? Derozan? Not seeing anyone else available that you could be talking about. Maybe DWade?

Anyway, I agree that retooling is more probable, and what they have to offer would likely be Teague or Schroeder and there 1st round pick. Then hope that Splitter can come back healthy.

But what if Horford bolts? What if Bazemore bolts? They are both UFA's that will receive interest from a big handful of teams, the Hawks can't do anything about either of them bolting.

Teague and Schroeder are both going to be up for extension next offseason and it's incredibly unlikely that the Hawks would sign both point guards when they struggle playing together, and will both be commanding BIG deals. I think regardless it makes sense to move one of them and strengthen another position this offseason, especially if they lose Horford or Bazemore.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#64 » by Scalabrine » Mon May 9, 2016 5:09 am

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theGreatRC wrote:Minny gives #5 pick, Bazz for Millsap. Hawks shed salary, get a young athletic wing stuck on the bench of a talented roster and get to have a top 5 pick. Wolves get good quick and Hawks rebuild moves along faster than expected


Really, thats a super shortsighted move imo.


Let's getting even more "shortsighted"...Dieng (or Lavine or Bazz), Bejelica, and #5, #35 for Milsap and Korver

Towns/Pek
Milsap/KG/Payne
Korver/Bazz
Wiggins/Lavine
Rubio/Jones

They'd still have about 10 million+ exceptions still in capspace to beef up the bench.

That team would be sooo much fun to watch, using the capspace elsewhere and having another young guy with a small locked in deal could be the better option but that would make the Wolves one of the better teams in the West as soon as next year I would imagine, this isn't considered to be an exceptionally deep draft and the Wolves are loaded with young players right now that could use more playing time.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#65 » by phillycheese » Mon May 9, 2016 6:30 am

Cleveland is highest salaried team and paying the most in luxury tax. That and having Lebron is why they are producing. If they really have a hard salary cap, I think Cleveland would be done for.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#66 » by SOUL » Mon May 9, 2016 6:38 am

They don't have to go bare cupboard with it, but I doubt they'll come back with the same team.

Also Millsap >>>>> Bass, that's a really silly comparison.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#67 » by TroubleS0me » Mon May 9, 2016 6:39 am

its gonna be hard for this team to attract free agents considering what their GM said a few yrs ago, the racist comment
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#68 » by greenbeans » Mon May 9, 2016 6:40 am

Brandon Bass and Paul Millsap good lord someone needs to show our friend the door
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#69 » by BayArea408415 » Mon May 9, 2016 7:09 am

Honestly, this core isn't going to win anything. The Hawks need a legit no. 1 option and not multiple 2nd or 3rd options on a championship team. They also need a legit rebounding/shot blocking big. Someone like Bogut, Whiteside, the pre-Rockets/Lakers Dwight, etc. As others have mentioned, definition of treadmill team and truth be told, playoff fodder for the Cavs who have a legit superstar no. 1 and 2 all-stars + legit rebounding big + 3 and D guys.

Someone like Paul George would due wonders for the Hawks. KD + legit rebounding big would be championship quality.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#70 » by jpengland » Mon May 9, 2016 7:13 am

Scalabrine wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:Minny gives #5 pick, Bazz for Millsap. Hawks shed salary, get a young athletic wing stuck on the bench of a talented roster and get to have a top 5 pick. Wolves get good quick and Hawks rebuild moves along faster than expected


Really, thats a super shortsighted move imo.


Let's getting even more "shortsighted"...Dieng (or Lavine or Bazz), Bejelica, and #5, #35 for Milsap and Korver

Towns/Pek
Milsap/KG/Payne
Korver/Bazz
Wiggins/Lavine
Rubio/Jones

They'd still have about 10 million+ exceptions still in capspace to beef up the bench.

That team would be sooo much fun to watch, using the capspace elsewhere and having another young guy with a small locked in deal could be the better option but that would make the Wolves one of the better teams in the West as soon as next year I would imagine, this isn't considered to be an exceptionally deep draft and the Wolves are loaded with young players right now that could use more playing time.


I like that approach for Minny this summer. They have their key young pieces, adding much more youth is going to be diminishing returns at this point (except for genuine superstar level prospects). Getting some vets that fit what they need (Shooting, Korver. Power forward, Milsap) would allow them to start winning (and be a dangerous playoff team) right now and help develop the young core into winners.

Milsap and Korver are almost ideal in what they provide, I don't see them being THAT available though.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#71 » by johanliebert » Mon May 9, 2016 7:40 am

BayArea408415 wrote:Honestly, this core isn't going to win anything. The Hawks need a legit no. 1 option and not multiple 2nd or 3rd options on a championship team. They also need a legit rebounding/shot blocking big. Someone like Bogut, Whiteside, the pre-Rockets/Lakers Dwight, etc. As others have mentioned, definition of treadmill team and truth be told, playoff fodder for the Cavs who have a legit superstar no. 1 and 2 all-stars + legit rebounding big + 3 and D guys.

Someone like Paul George would due wonders for the Hawks. KD + legit rebounding big would be championship quality.

Truth be told 95% of teams are "treadmill" teams. Matter fact how many finals has lebron been in the last 7-10 years? Its always going to be the same teams in the finals.

You either in the playoffs or selling your fans empty dreams.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#72 » by BayArea408415 » Mon May 9, 2016 7:43 am

johanliebert wrote:
BayArea408415 wrote:Honestly, this core isn't going to win anything. The Hawks need a legit no. 1 option and not multiple 2nd or 3rd options on a championship team. They also need a legit rebounding/shot blocking big. Someone like Bogut, Whiteside, the pre-Rockets/Lakers Dwight, etc. As others have mentioned, definition of treadmill team and truth be told, playoff fodder for the Cavs who have a legit superstar no. 1 and 2 all-stars + legit rebounding big + 3 and D guys.

Someone like Paul George would due wonders for the Hawks. KD + legit rebounding big would be championship quality.

Truth be told 95% of teams are "treadmill" teams. Matter fact how many finals has lebron been in the last 7-10 years? Its always going to be the same teams in the finals.

You either in the playoffs or selling your fans empty dreams.


That's the sad truth of the NBA. The NHL tried to use salary caps to create more parity between teams I believe so you don't have teams as bad as the current Lakers and Sixers and less treadmill teams. The NHL has multiple teams from each conference who would win it all even if the Kings and Blackhawks were dominant as of late. Fortunately, they are both out. Although, for whatever reason, the NHL Western Conference teams are also top heavy and better than most of the Eastern Conference teams.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#73 » by OsuCavsfan103 » Mon May 9, 2016 7:46 am

The first move Atlanta should make is firing their in-house announcer who says "<insert name> for threeeeee" in that high pitch squeel that sounds like Goofy from the Disney Channel lol
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#74 » by NBAfan3024 » Mon May 9, 2016 7:47 am

Need a star who can win a game they just have none
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#75 » by giberish » Mon May 9, 2016 8:44 am

Austincys21 wrote:You're only going yo ever win if you have a top 3 player or if you're the Detroit Pistons of 04.

I'd try my best to get into a top 5 pick and hope you land a star. That what every team should try and do.

If you don't have Curry, Lebron, Leonard, Davis, Durant, Westbrook, Lillard, or George your team will never sniff the finals


The plan of sucking for years if not decades in the hope of getting the right combination of suck, lotto luck and having a stud available in the draft isn't appealing for fans who have to watch the sucking.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#76 » by smallgains » Mon May 9, 2016 11:22 am

Schroeder is only 22? Wow, he has a bright future.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#77 » by contract » Mon May 9, 2016 11:31 am

laploutocratie wrote:Some teams are just content making the 2nd round year in and year out.

Maybe give Lebron and the Cavs a little credit?
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#78 » by massive attack » Mon May 9, 2016 12:52 pm

NBAfan3024 wrote:Need a star who can win a game they just have none


Yes the Hawks have too many players on that borderline all-star level. They're a great regular season team, but in the playoffs they seem to lack that one player to give them the edge against big teams like the Cavs.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#79 » by baldur » Mon May 9, 2016 1:12 pm

they should hire lebron james. problem solved. There is no other solution for them as long as lebron is on the floor.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#80 » by tidho » Mon May 9, 2016 1:28 pm

phillycheese wrote:Cleveland is highest salaried team and paying the most in luxury tax. That and having Lebron is why they are producing. If they really have a hard salary cap, I think Cleveland would be done for.

Cleveland is playing at next year's cap a year early. There will probably be 8-10 teams rivaling their money this time next year. That really has nothing to do with what the Hawks need to do though.

Atlanta needs one more big piece. Either a rim protector so they can play the perimeter tighter, or a pure scorer that can keep them in tough games. Horford for Harden framed deal when Dwight bolts?

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