Is Adam Silver going to step in like David Stern did in 2011?

[DusterBuster]

How did a thread this stupid make it to 3 pages without getting locked?

EDIT: 4 pages.

[Ballah]

EDIT:

I understand it was a trade in 2011, and that the league owned the Hornets at the time.

Really? cause it doesn't look that way from over here.

[The Duke]

In 2011, the 31 other owners technically owned the Hornets, and so many team GMs expressed to veto the trade. Stern listened to them as part of the process and the trade talks went dead.

In 2010, Michaek Jordan, the owner Charlotte, killed a deal that was agreed to by the GMs of Toronto and Charlotte, that would have sent Calderon/Evens to the Bobcats for Tyson Chanfler.

These are the same.

[whysoserious]

I doubt it. Stern stepped in because the NBA was technically in control of the Hornets franchise at the time; this is nothing like that situation at all, as it is a FA signing, as opposed to a trade, and the NBA should have no say over this given that it is a perfectly legal signing.

According to the rules, the trade in 2011 was perfectly legal as well..

As the commissioner he should be able to step in, in my opinion. It's not just a knock on KD, it's anyone trying to form a super team. It ruins the league. We need parity, not the opposite.

Why should he? KD is a free agent and the Warriors had room to make it work. Parity is great for many franchises across the board but these super teams also have benefits for the league.

[RGM_SU]

I never believed Stern vetoed the trade for competitive reasons. That angle got blown up after the Cavs' Dan Gilbert put out some inflammatory stuff. The original trade had the Lakers give up Pau Gasol to Houston and Lamar Odom to New Orleans with Houston trading Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and New York's first rounder to the Hornets. The trade would've hardly made the Lakers a lock for a championship. They would've gotten a lot smaller with a thinner bench. It would've kept the Lakers in contention much longer (depending on how the Dwight Howard situation would've turned out), but also only until Bryant's body gave out.

But from the Hornets perspective this was not a good deal at all, even without factoring in the hindsight knowledge of the wheels falling off Lamar Odom. With the exception of Dragic (who at that point was still a role player on limited minutes who would've gotten trade twice within half a year) none of those players had future upside and none of them were true stars who could carry a team. In the best case the Hornets would've been a fringe playoff team in the 8-10 range for a one or two years (thus missing out on Davis or Drummond) before the combination of players aging and leaving would've brought them down to the bottom of the conference.

The trade package of the Clippers was significantly better for the future of the team. They got a massive expiring in Chris Kaman, two young lottery talents with Aminu and Eric Gordon (who averaged 22 a game the previous season) and Minnesota's (who finished 17-65 in 2010-11) unprotected first rounder.

[HerSports85]

I really question how much some know about basketball. Adam
Silver can not step in and the 2 situations are nothing alike. My goodness


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[DiscoLives4ever]

There seems to be a lot of mis-information on what the commissioner can and cannot do. I thought it would be helpful to have a thread that laid out clearly what power the commissioner does and doesn't have. I'll try to keep this updated as things change and if I miss anything.

First and foremost, the commissioner is NOT a dictator nor CEO of all things NBA. The NBA is a corporation privately held by the ownership interests of the 30 NBA franchises, of which the commissioner is effectively the CEO of that corporation. The league does not own or control the teams (beyond the details laid out below), it is the other way around.

The NBA organization is governed by a constitution which is signed by all 30 organizations. As part of this agreement, the teams agree to give the NBA and commissioner very specific powers and be bound by his exercising of those powers. The league made this document public during the Donald Sterling mess, and the highlights of what the commissioner can and can't do are listed below. This document can really only be modified by a vote of 3/4ths of the league's Governors (basically the team owners).

Additionally, the bargaining agreements between the league and various entities (Players Association, ref's union, etc.) may also delegate further powers to the commissioner, but those are almost exclusively powers that exist only in regards to relationships with that specific group.

Finally, there are situations where the league (on behalf of the franchises that own it) take specific action as dictated by the Board of Governors (representatives of those owners), but those are extremely narrow. This would include their prior ownership of the New Orleans Pelicans when David Stern took actions as the team owner and not as the commissioner. Almost everything the league does in this circumstance needs 3/4ths approval from the Governors to happen.

I'm not sure if this is worth stickying or not, but I thought it would be helpful to have something consolidated and in lay-man's terms.

TL;DR The Commissioner CAN NOT do anything that he does not have specific powers granted to him for. He can't arbitrarily stop a trade, FA signing, etc. just because he doesn't like it.

Commissioner's powers enumerated in the constitution
-Require any information desired from an applicant for an expansion franchise - Article 4(a)
-Investigate and "deem appropriate" any applications for expansion franchises before allowing a vote by the Governors to allow membership - Article 4(d)
-Both of those same powers for any applications to sell partial or total membership of a team or relocate a team, as well as creating a committee to review the application. All applications can be stopped by the commissioner, but approval will eventually require a vote from the Governors - Article 5 and Article 7
-Set and require standards for arena design, construction, and operation. This can be enforced with fines up to $250k per game played in an inadequate arena - Article 8(a)
-If the Governors pass a 3/4ths vote to take control of a bankrupt team, that team and all it's properties are placed under the Commissioner's management and control - Article 12
-Charge teams with a violation of Article 13 that may result in terminating ownership of that team. This charge does NOT actually terminate the team, it only leads to the Governors voting to do so - Article 14(a)
-If a team's ownership is terminated by the procedure in Article 14 (including the 3/4ths vote by Governors), the Commissioner takes full control and management of that team, unless the Commissioner approves a different arrangement - Article 14A
-When directed by the Governors, the Commissioner can create committees and delegate his powers to them - Article 18(c)
-Call special meetings of the Governors at any time - Article 19(b)
-All powers needed for the business and affairs of the League - Article 24(c)
-Final jurisdiction of any dispute between teams - Article 24(d)
-Investigate any charges/accusations that might hurt the league or owners - Article 24(e)
-All powers given by the CBA - Article 24(f)
-Incur expenses for managing the league (office space, hire employees, etc.) - Article 24(g)
-Interpret and enforce the Constitution and other agreements involving the League - Article 24(h)
-Suspend or fine a player, coach, or owner as authorized by the constitution - Article 24(i)(i)
-Declare null and void any player transactions by/between teams - Article 24(i)(i)
-Withhold revenue from teams failing to fulfill their financial responsibilities - Article 24(j)
-Schedule games - Article 24(k)
-Implement any penalties (including fines up to $2 million) for any rule breaking that doesn't have a defined penalty - Article 24(l)
-Manage hearings for any violations of rules - Article 24(m)
-Appoint Vice Presidents and assign them some of the commissioner's duties - Article 26
-Disqualify players that have fixed games - Article 35(b)
-Suspend or fine (up to $50k) any player for actions during a game detrimental to the league or game - Article 35(c)
-Same as above but for actions outside a game or actions that violate the law or "standards of morality or fair play" - Article 35(d)
-Penalize a player in any way desired for gambling on games - Article 35(e)
-Same as the above 4 rules, but instead of players it applies to Owners, managers, coaches, staff, or refs and fines are up to $1,000,000 - Article 35A
-Fine teams up to $2.5 million for not showing up to a game - Article 36
-Fine (up to $250k) anybody who releases information about league business that he does not authorize - Article 41
-Set forth any penalty desired for teams violating the CBA - Bylaw 3.03
-Approve applications for hardship exceptions to sign extra players - Bylaw 6.07(b)
-Determine draft lottery tie-breaking order - Bylaw 7.0.2(i)(a)

[HotelVitale]

How? If he goes to Boston or SA, at least we know they won't be crowned champs before the season starts. Boston would still have to battle Cleveland. SA would still have to battle Golden State. Now we know the 2017 Finals matchup and winner in July 2016....

Cuz both teams just had dynasties like 2 years ago. It's not like we hate fans of those teams or anything, just isn't fun and seems unfair for y'all to be champ contenders again. Warriors are at least a) already champ contenders and b) only relevant for the last two years.

Boston had a dynasty? One title in 2008 and one Finals loss in 2010 is a....dynasty?

You were a top 5-6 team for 5 years straight, and won an average of like 60 games per season. Call it what you want but don't pretend you don't know what I mean.

[BigTrade92]

Cuz both teams just had dynasties like 2 years ago. It's not like we hate fans of those teams or anything, just isn't fun and seems unfair for y'all to be champ contenders again. Warriors are at least a) already champ contenders and b) only relevant for the last two years.

Boston had a dynasty? One title in 2008 and one Finals loss in 2010 is a....dynasty?

You were a top 5-6 team for 5 years straight, and won an average of like 60 games per season. Call it what you want but don't pretend you don't know what I mean.

Thats not a dynasty though, so try again to coherently make your point against mine...

[Bensational]

No, because the Warriors are the NBA's favorite team and they protect them. However, Stern was a declared anti-Laker and that's why he vetoed CP3 trade.

Lakers have had their fair share of one-sided deals and players demanding to join them over the last 20 years. They deserve to be the ones on the outside looking in on other teams getting preferred treatment.

Cali has 2 teams that are more popular than the Lakers now. I love it!

[emphi54]

Just let durant get what he want, they are not gonna dominate forever anyway, just stick with your team progress and see how your team rookie develop(in knick case Kp) .

In this era of twitter, waiting 4-5 years is a long time. Plus, another superteam will eventually form, the way things are going.

[Dominator83]

Are you kidding me he ain't stopping ****. When Lebron signed in Miami ratings went through the roof. Now the ratings darling Warriors get Durant? game over Adam Silver just got hard. He loves it now even more eyes will tune in.

Adam silver gets a ton of praise but the reality is he as the easiest job on the planet. Lebron and the Heat made the NBA ultra popular again. Now the Warriors + Durant magnify that popularity further. Anybody on this board can run the NBA right now and be considered a great commishioner.

[AndriPerdhian93]

Just let durant get what he want, they are not gonna dominate forever anyway, just stick with your team progress and see how your team rookie develop(in knick case Kp) .

In this era of twitter, waiting 4-5 years is a long time. Plus, another superteam will eventually form, the way things are going.

Hahha sure just hoping for the best

[sunskerr]

The NBA veto'd the 2012 Paul to Lakers trade and they were within their rights to do so. Let it go, Laker fans.

[NY2k1]

KD is a free agent, he's free to sign wherever he wants.