Harrison Barnes Preseason Stats.

[Capn'O]

40 mil combined for Matthews and Barnes.

Yeah, don't even start me on Matthews. There are like two NBA players who managed to come back from an achilles rupture effectively, ever.

How has his (Matthews) mobility looked in preseason. Some encouraging stats. I loved him in Portland. That injury broke my heart (and that team's spirit, apparently).

[sims]

It's the preseason. Barnes isn't a stunner, but I wouldn't make much of his preseason numbers.

i would. this guy just doesn't have it. having just been thrust into a featured role from a supporting role on a stacked team, he needs to show something - anything - to prove that he's worth that contract. come out and dominate for a quarter or a half, go on a little shooting run, score 15 quick points and flash some of what you can do even if it is the preseason. all the top players do. his problem is that it's just not there. he's being asked (and paid) to be someone he's not. his signing was a train wreck in slow motion and everyone saw it coming.

[Edrees]

Lol if you don't want to count pre season how about we look at his stats last playoffs to judge him? That gives me an even worse impression of him

[LouisLitt]

Lol if you don't want to count pre season how about we look at his stats last playoffs to judge him? That gives me an even worse impression of him

Do we judge Curry by his playoff performance? No.

Barnes was fine last season, but no one in their right mind should have thought he would be more productive statistically than KD.

[SF_Warriors]

People can say its the preseason and they have a point, but HB shot 38.5% from FG in the playoffs, and had only one game where he scored above 15points. That is with curry being out for almost two series.

The contract and the expectations that come along with it seem to be getting to his head. He will never live up to that contract.

[SF_Warriors]

Lol if you don't want to count pre season how about we look at his stats last playoffs to judge him? That gives me an even worse impression of him

Do we judge Curry by his playoff performance? No.

Barnes was fine last season, but no one in their right mind should have thought he would be more productive statistically than KD.

Curry was playing injured and had the entire defense focused on him.
Barnes was wide open almost the entire time.

Plus curry has shown that he can play at a very high level. Barness has never averaged even 12ppg in his career thus far and there was a good number of people who thought he could be a go to scorer type of player without any evidence to support.

[tsherkin]

It's the preseason. Barnes isn't a stunner, but I wouldn't make much of his preseason numbers.

i would. this guy just doesn't have it.

Again, you're not looking at a reasonable sample, the numbers differ too dramatically from his previous four seasons AND he's not likely to be given a volume role with certain guys still on the team. If the Mavs try to make him a top volume option, then Carlisle is a moron. RC has never proven to be a stupid coach, so that isn't likely to happen. A lot of these expectations seemed rooted in contract size without regard for the change in the cap.

[Takingbaconback]

Barnes is more of a bench guy than a starter, but he's much better than what he's shown so far. I had a dream last night that he scored 20, hopefully it happens for the Mavs cuz he's been abysmal

[MrCheerios]

Y'all remember Trevor Ariza's first season in Houston where he tried to be a scorer? That's going to be Harrison Barnes this year. Dude is straight garbage at creating his own shot. Hell, he can barely hit the open ones.

[dc]

Just throwing the numbers out the window for a moment here and forgetting about whether this is pre-season or the NBA FInals, I could never quite put a finger on what was missing from him during 4 years of watching him, but someone else pointed it out and I think it's the best summary of him:

You never got the sense that Barnes really ever made life easier for his teammates. Never took any pressure off of them. Not even during the games where he was scoring well. Mostly, he was just kind of there. He filled a spot in the lineup.

When he'd have a good scoring game, it felt like found money. It never felt as though he had a huge presence in the game or ever imposed his will. Never felt as though opponents were ever worried about this guy, and never felt as though Barnes ever really made them pay for that.

[dc]

Barnes is more of a bench guy than a starter

When the Warriors first signed Igoudala, Mark Jackson made Barnes the 6th man and the primary offensive option off the bench. He was terrible at it. His efficiency dropped off from his rookie season when he was a starter.

Kerr specifically put Barnes back into the starting lineup to get him going again. And it did work, as Barnes efficiency his 3rd and 4th seasons were clearly better than the season where he spent much of it coming off the bench.

[ken6199]

Mavs have been the worst run organization since 2011's championship. Cuban has made mistake after mistake in personnel decisions. The only reason they aren't as bad as they should be is because of Carlisle.

Clearly a Rockets bias at work. Look at the Nets for example and then say again with a straight face that the Mavs have been the worst run organisation since 2011.

Rockets fans in general don't hold any grudge towards Mavs in recent years - Mavs simply haven't been competitive enough in SW division to deserve our 'bias'. The whole Cuban Moray fiasco has actually been very entertaining and you know they have mutual respect for each other.

Nets is a good mention, but you have to look at it from different angle though. Billy King didn't single handedly dismantle a championship team like Cuban did. This is not about direct comparison between Mavs and the rest of the league, it's a combination of what they had in place and what they choose to throw away, with a league top 3 coach in Rick Carlisle, a true servant Dirking for years, non-stop flipping cards with 1-year vet deals, the franchise history, culture, fan base they have, all that. I think Cuban can't get away with that.

[ken6199]

Barnes is more of a bench guy than a starter

When the Warriors first signed Igoudala, Mark Jackson made Barnes the 6th man and the primary offensive option off the bench. He was terrible at it. His efficiency dropped off from his rookie season when he was a starter.

Kerr specifically put Barnes back into the starting lineup to get him going again. And it did work, as Barnes efficiency his 3rd and 4th seasons were clearly better than the season where he spent much of it coming off the bench.

Same goes for Iggy. His first year as starter under Jackson, came with better FG% TS% and 3PT% than his following 2 years spent on the bench. Playing with Curry, Klay, and later on Green, obviously benifits for any player, and leading the 2nd unit will hurt anyone's efficiency. It's more of Iggy's ability to lead the 2nd unit made Kerr switch him to bench, which Harrison Barnes has none - and Cuban somehow believes he got some.

[RGM_SU]

Rockets fans in general don't hold any grudge towards Mavs in recent years - Mavs simply haven't been competitive enough in SW division to deserve our 'bias'.

As a neutral observer I'm a bit amused by this condescending attitude considering that in the last five years the Rockets have won a total of 12 games more than Dallas and only last year have the Rockets managed to outperform the Mavericks in the playoffs. Let's face it, in the big picture of things neither the Rockets nor the Mavericks have been particularly competitive in the Southwest Division that's run by the Spurs.

Nets is a good mention, but you have to look at it from different angle though. Billy King didn't single handedly dismantle a championship team like Cuban did. This is not about direct comparison between Mavs and the rest of the league, it's a combination of what they had in place and what they choose to throw away, with a league top 3 coach in Rick Carlisle, a true servant Dirking for years, non-stop flipping cards with 1-year vet deals, the franchise history, culture, fan base they have, all that. I think Cuban can't get away with that.

Dallas struck gold at the right time. Even if they brought back the whole championship team they were a second-round team at best in 2011-12. Not with Dirk's injury, the progressing age of key players and the lockout schedule. So I don't think Cuban made a mistake when he decided to rebuild. That his rebuild was not conducted in a structured fashion, that doesn't need to be debated.

[Dirk]

Mavs have been the worst run organization since 2011's championship. Cuban has made mistake after mistake in personnel decisions. The only reason they aren't as bad as they should be is because of Carlisle.

Clearly a Rockets bias at work. Look at the Nets for example and then say again with a straight face that the Mavs have been the worst run organisation since 2011.

Rockets fans in general don't hold any grudge towards Mavs in recent years - Mavs simply haven't been competitive enough in SW division to deserve our 'bias'. The whole Cuban Moray fiasco has actually been very entertaining and you know they have mutual respect for each other.

Nets is a good mention, but you have to look at it from different angle though. Billy King didn't single handedly dismantle a championship team like Cuban did. This is not about direct comparison between Mavs and the rest of the league, it's a combination of what they had in place and what they choose to throw away, with a league top 3 coach in Rick Carlisle, a true servant Dirking for years, non-stop flipping cards with 1-year vet deals, the franchise history, culture, fan base they have, all that. I think Cuban can't get away with that.

Regular Season Mavs vs Houston since 2011

11/12
3-0

12/13
3-1

13/14
2-2

14/15
1-3

15/16
2-2

Mavs 11
Rockets 8

(1-3 Rondo series)

Rockets 230 wins overall
Mavericks 218 wins overall

The Mavs didn't have a "championship team". That team wasn't going to be repeating. The year they won, no one believed they would beat the Lakers, OKC...hell... even after a collapse in Portland in the first round people doubted them. In hindsight, yes, they probably would have had better success if they just tried to bring everyone back --- but they wouldn't repeat.

The Mavs have tried to sign a major free agent. And failed. In hindsight it's easy to say that they shouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket and should not have wasted draft picks, etc... they even let some good players go in order to pursuit the 'top fa'. They tried and failed.

But they were/are in a very particular situation. The Celtics traded Pierce, Garnett away... for Dallas that was not an option. They have tried to win games. In the NBA teams are ridiculed for making the playoffs --- this user just said that a team that has only missed the playoffs one season and hasn't had a losing record is badly managed.

[Roddy B for 3]

Clearly a Rockets bias at work. Look at the Nets for example and then say again with a straight face that the Mavs have been the worst run organisation since 2011.

Rockets fans in general don't hold any grudge towards Mavs in recent years - Mavs simply haven't been competitive enough in SW division to deserve our 'bias'. The whole Cuban Moray fiasco has actually been very entertaining and you know they have mutual respect for each other.

Nets is a good mention, but you have to look at it from different angle though. Billy King didn't single handedly dismantle a championship team like Cuban did. This is not about direct comparison between Mavs and the rest of the league, it's a combination of what they had in place and what they choose to throw away, with a league top 3 coach in Rick Carlisle, a true servant Dirking for years, non-stop flipping cards with 1-year vet deals, the franchise history, culture, fan base they have, all that. I think Cuban can't get away with that.

Regular Season Mavs vs Houston since 2011

11/12
3-0

12/13
3-1

13/14
2-2

14/15
1-3

15/16
2-2

Mavs 11
Rockets 8

(1-3 Rondo series)

Rockets 230 wins overall
Mavericks 218 wins overall

The Mavs didn't have a "championship team". That team wasn't going to be repeating. The year they won, no one believed they would beat the Lakers, OKC...hell... even after a collapse in Portland in the first round people doubted them. In hindsight, yes, they probably would have had better success if they just tried to bring everyone back --- but they wouldn't repeat.

The Mavs have tried to sign a major free agent. And failed. In hindsight it's easy to say that they shouldn't have put all their eggs in one basket and should not have wasted draft picks, etc... they even let some good players go in order to pursuit the 'top fa'. They tried and failed.

But they were/are in a very particular situation. The Celtics traded Pierce, Garnett away... for Dallas that was not an option. They have tried to win games. In the NBA teams are ridiculed for making the playoffs --- this user just said that a team that has only missed the playoffs one season and hasn't had a losing record is badly managed.

IDK about you, but before the lockout in 2011 when the rumblings about Cuban being willing to let Chandler walk began- I used my foresight to know that would be a bad move.

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

Barnes the brand and business is well run.. How he still can have people believe all the brand hype is curious. The actual product is mediocre. And that is being kind. Very bland, no fire, no real character that I can see outside of his brand. For whatever reason he came highly regarded from High School and the rep carried all the way to lotto pick.. If you watched his warrior career I think by the end of it everyone was ready to move on. All except those that have avatars with his pics and name etc. For whatever reason there are a few.. I feel for the maverick fans that still expect him to contribute.

[ken6199]

As a neutral observer I'm a bit amused by this condescending attitude considering that in the last five years the Rockets have won a total of 12 games more than Dallas and only last year have the Rockets managed to outperform the Mavericks in the playoffs. Let's face it, in the big picture of things neither the Rockets nor the Mavericks have been particularly competitive in the Southwest Division that's run by the Spurs.

Speaking of condescending, my reply was mostly directed at your comment 'Clearly Rockets bias at work', so you were implying some unnecessary correlation there. We can still stay on topic without bringing 'Rockets bias' into it, which has nothing to do with the topic on point. You started your reply with that statement, and I have a problem with that attitude.

Lets be honest, these two organizations had a long history, and generally perceived as rivalries. However I remember that I have stated in multiple threads that things aren't the way it appears to be, I really don't have issue with Mavs. We haven't met much in the playoffs lately and the only series 2 years ago was one sided.

Rockets fans in general don't hold any grudge towards Mavs in recent years - Mavs simply haven't been competitive enough in SW division to deserve our 'bias'. The whole Cuban Moray fiasco has actually been very entertaining and you know they have mutual respect for each other.

"Deserve" is not an accurate word - not my original intention, if that sounds condescending I apologize. My point is, to me a rivalry means the opponent is better than us and keep crushing us. Mavs, if like you said, is on the same level as Rockets, so I wouldn't see them as a rivalry because they simply haven't been competitive enough to be head and shoulder above us, nor have they been beating us 9 out of 10 times. Same as if I was a LAC fan I would see GSW as rivalry but not the other way round. And same way MIA to IND a few years ago. That's just me.

[Duke4life831]

I'm not going to lie when he spurred Duke and chose UNC I was devastated. He was an elite recruit, was looked at as the sure fire #1 pick and was supposed to be the next great NBA player. The second I saw him take his first dribble at UNC I was basically glad we missed on him.

It became apparent that he really struggled to put the ball on the court and create for himself. Also he's a great jumper and fast in a straight line, but plays very stiff and isn't the most agile guy. So it became pretty apparent that his athleticism wasn't going to be affective. He'll throw down a nice dunk every once and awhile but either than that, he didn't have the lateral quickness or ability to constantly get by people. He was extremely lucky to be surrounded by the team he had at GS. It allowed him to maximize his potential. If you ask him to create his own shot on a nightly bases he will be horrible. Also his defense was overrated as well, it has always been more about potential than actual production. He's a guy you can stick in front of 3s and 4s but that doesn't mean he's all that great at defending him, he's average.

As a GS fan I don't even compare him to KD, KD is going to have a much bigger role. Mccaw is the guy that I'm going to compare to Barnes, 6'7 going to be asked to defend multiple positions (1-3, not 3-4) and only take wide open jumpers. McCaw so far looks like the more aggressive defender and it all depends if he can hit with a 35-37% clip from 3.

[3toheadmelo]

Not a good look but I hope he turns it around in the season. I think he can be a great player.