Bucks Trade Miles Plumlee For Roy Hibbert & Spencer Hawes

[magnumt]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244778/Bucks-Trade-Miles-Plumlee-To-Hornets-For-Roy-Hibbert-Spencer-Hawes

Ummm what?

Very nice upgrade for the Hornets.

JKidd continues to be an idiot.

--Mags

Wait what?

This:

Do you realize the other two are backup bums (at best) these days?!

Unless you're paying the contact, people need to stop always prioritizing salary. Yes, he's making a lot. But Kidd is an idiot. He gave big contracts to BOTH Monroe and Plumlee, then proceeds to hardly play them and tank their value.

This move helps (even if just a little) to solidify their playoff push. With the East so tight, they could use it.

It's the little moves that sometimes have a bigger impact.

--Mags

It's like the Noah contract. If people ignore the first obvious caveat of his contract, they'd see he actually produces almost 5 PPG, 9 RPG and 3 APG in JUST about 22 MPG. Yes contracts matter for Cap and FA purposes, but in reality most marquee FAs don't consider Charlotte. Most of the big players on their current Roster have either been Drafted or Traded for.

They might as well secure that Playoff spot while losing relatively little talent in the process.

Bucks indeed do shed $$$ (props btw ), but Kidd created that situation for them (as I alluded to above.

--Mags

[MartinToVaught]

The NBA needs to step in and remove Jordan from ownership. This is absurd.

If the NBA's going to step in and start firing people, Prokhorov and Doc Rivers need to be on the list too.

[bondom34]

No idea what Charlotte's thinking here.

[phanman]

I initially thought this was one of those baseless rumors, but wow man what a terrible trade for Charlotte. Dudes making 12.m/year and has averaged 2.6p/1.7r this year on a team that is LOOKING for more help on the interior! I mean the guy has two DNP's in the last 2 games!!

Bucks getting rid of that contract will probably go down as the trade of the year . Even Hawe's opts in next year, its only for half of Plumlee's amount and only 1 year shoooooot. Things looking up in Milwaukee. Despite how slow Hibbert is, he is going to have an impact for them, I mean Kidd did coach Lopez.

[Apollo64]

I am thinking that this is a nice favor that Charlotte expects to be returned at some point at the future, can't rationalize it otherwise.

[JWizmentality]

Seems like something an overzealous Bucks fan would post to the Trade board. Most ridiculous trade I've seen in a while...and I get to watch Ernie Grunfeld's genius on the regular.

[BloodNinja]

Wow, Bucks managed to get rid of Plumlee. Good for them.

[hege53190]

I don't know what is crazier; Miles Plumlee tricking someone into believing he is worth $50 million or after averaging an 8.0 PER and getting benched in favor of Henson that someone thought he was worth the remaining 3 years and 37.5 million.

Are fans just that far off on their valuation of Miles Plumlee?

[ShazamDaShiznt]

its funny and sad at the same time. the guy has a 50million contract and he is playing less than 10 minutes per game. He is not a marketable player, no one cares about him no one wears his jersey or anything but he is making 50 millions to attend practice and to play 10 minutes per game. while there are plenty of jobs where people are risking their life everyday just to earn the small paycheck.

That's how much of a difference does winning genetics lottery make

[Scalabrine]

The NBA needs to step in and remove Jordan from ownership. This is absurd.

If the Nets didn't immediately fire King after the franchise ruining trade he had made, there's no way Cho is getting the boot.

That trade kinda made sense at the time. It was a huge risk, huge reward move, unfortunately for them, it didn't pan out. Going into that season though, the Nets were looked at as a real contender.

Clearly it didn't work, but at the time it still made sense to a degree. This just makes no sense at all. The Bellinelli trade was a lot to give up as well.

It would have been a good trade had they put any sort of protection on the pick...even just Top 3. It's not like they were acquiring guys that were gonna be on the team now or next year, they knew it was a win now move and just totally wiffed and its gonna go down as one of the worst trades in NBA history (depending on what Ainge can get out of the picks).

[chrisab123]

Member when Ainge offered a ton of picks to the Hornets?

I MEMBER!

Seriously how did the Bucks do this?

[Alonzo_Morning]

its funny and sad at the same time. the guy has a 50million contract and he is playing less than 10 minutes per game. He is not a marketable player, no one cares about him no one wears his jersey or anything but he is making 50 millions to attend practice and to play 10 minutes per game. while there are plenty of jobs where people are risking their life everyday just to earn the small paycheck.

That's how much of a difference does winning genetics lottery make

So true

[tcheco]

Well, let's see how he fares in the Hornetts
He never fit in the Bucks, that's obvious

[The_Hater]

I don't get why everyone hates Plumlee so much? When he receives playing time, he's pretty productive for a backup big. 13m for a backup center is the new normal, get used to it. And considering the Hornets wouldn't be able to sign anyone anytime soon being capped out, they did well here in sending away two has-beens for someone who still has a shot at producing in the future.

$13 million for a backup Center in a league where teams are playing bigs less and less minutes all the time is not the new normal. $13 million over 4 years for a 3rd string Center is simply one of the 3-4 worst contracts in the league.

You should be rejoicing today if you're a bucks fan

[The_Hater]

Very nice upgrade for the Hornets.

JKidd continues to be an idiot.

--Mags

Wait what?

This:

Do you realize the other two are backup bums (at best) these days?!

Unless you're paying the contact, people need to stop always prioritizing salary. Yes, he's making a lot. But Kidd is an idiot. He gave big contracts to BOTH Monroe and Plumlee, then proceeds to hardly play them and tank their value.

This move helps (even if just a little) to solidify their playoff push. With the East so tight, they could use it.

It's the little moves that sometimes have a bigger impact.

--Mags

It's like the Noah contract. If people ignore the first obvious caveat of his contract, they'd see he actually produces almost 5 PPG, 9 RPG and 3 APG in JUST about 22 MPG. Yes contracts matter for Cap and FA purposes, but in reality most marquee FAs don't consider Charlotte. Most of the big players on their current Roster have either been Drafted or Traded for.

They might as well secure that Playoff spot while losing relatively little talent in the process.

Bucks indeed do shed $$$ (props btw ), but Kidd created that situation for them (as I alluded to above.

--Mags

But you can't ignore the contract of any player. Or the players age. And you can't point to Noah's stats as being good when theyre not. He can't finish anymore and his defense has tanked.

Plumlee is a 3rd string Center getting paid like a low end starter for 4 years. And he's worse than HIbbert. It's a ridiculous trade on the bobcats part

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Do the Bucks know something about Rich Cho? Why would he pull the plug on this?

[yosemiteben]

Do the Bucks know something about Rich Cho? Why would he pull the plug on this?

Cho is notorious for nailing mid-season trades (McRoberts and Courtney Lee come to mind, also he had a deadline deal dumping Lance to BRK and getting Jack and Lamb back that King walked away from).

If Miles fits in well, his contact will bump us in to MLE territory next summer (newly increased next summer to just over $8M) so actually prevents us from having to dump assets to create cap space, so it's not just a $ for $ reduction in cap space.

Very risky if it doesn't work out, but very shrewd if it does.

[bigpimpatl]

If Miles fits in well, his contact will bump us in to MLE territory next summer (newly increased next summer to just over $8M) so actually prevents us from having to dump assets to create cap space, so it's not just a $ for $ reduction in cap space.

I don't understand this bit. What do you mean "dump assets to create cap space?"

[Alienware]

If Miles fits in well, his contact will bump us in to MLE territory next summer (newly increased next summer to just over $8M) so actually prevents us from having to dump assets to create cap space, so it's not just a $ for $ reduction in cap space.

I don't understand this bit. What do you mean "dump assets to create cap space?"

If you're under the cap you can't go over while signing someone. If you're already over, you are eligible to use the mle.

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[yosemiteben]

If Miles fits in well, his contact will bump us in to MLE territory next summer (newly increased next summer to just over $8M) so actually prevents us from having to dump assets to create cap space, so it's not just a $ for $ reduction in cap space.

I don't understand this bit. What do you mean "dump assets to create cap space?"

Next summer CHA had somewhere in the neighborhood of $96M in salary obligations, depending on whether Hawes exercised his PO. He's been terrible and is unlikely to have the opportunity to salvage that value as a third string big, so if we wanted to create more than the $6M in space we would have if he exercised his PO then we would have to make a move to clear it, since we'd be under the cap and wouldn't have the MLE. We tried packaging him and our pick last summer before the draft to clear space, and no one would do it.

With this move, we get a better fit at backup C and with the MLE still have more cap space than we would have had if we had just stayed put.