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Clippers in 7
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Jazz in 6
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Jazz in 7
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Re: WCQF: P2 | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#61 » by dautjazz » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:00 pm

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jazzfan1971 wrote:I think the Jazz are clearly a better team than then Clippers when Griffin is injured and the Jazz are healthy. If you watched game 5 you 'd have seen that with your own eyes. Teh Jazz were clearly the better team, even if they were bricking tons of open looks. But, the deal is that they got TONS of open looks to brick. And they still won the game even though the Clippers had a huge advantage in free throw attempts.

When both teams are healthy I think it's pretty even. Clippers a little stronger starting 5, Jazz a stronger bench. But, with Griffin sitting, it's clearly advantage Jazz.


If that's really the case then that's pretty sad for a team lead by two players who were both considered top 10 and another all-star along with an "elite coach."

The Jazz are a young up and coming team. But Gobert just came on to the scene as a premiere player and Hayward just became an all-star for the first time.

There is no way you can justify the Clippers breaking even with them. It has to be seen as a massive failure.


When was Blake last considered a top 10 guy, maybe 2-3 years ago? Right now they have one top 10 player in CP3, and some would argue he's just outside that scope right now, and I think Gobert has proven he's a top 10 player in terms of impact, so I'd consider him a top 10 player in the league.

Hayward IMO is better than Blake, and I would put Hayward in that 15-20, and I'd put Blake in that range when healthy but he's unreliable, I definitely have him a few slots behind Hayward. DJ is not really an All-Star, who in their right mind would take him over Gobert, Jokic, Cousins, Gasol, Towns, and I think Nurkic is passing him too. In a 7 game series DJ can be exposed offensively (great FG% around the rim, but foul him and he's toast, defend strongly the pick and roll w/ him), he has poor defensive awareness, and doesn't box out that well for his size.
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Re: WCQF: P2 | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#62 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:42 pm

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Seems fair. This is the result of the Clippers declining over the last couple years as a team+Jazz growing rapidly. The Clippers on PAPER have a potential super team and should be 10-15 wins better. But the injuries, lack of heart, poor coaching and constant underachieving change things.


by the way. i want to give you some compliments. i read nearly everything in this series thread and you seem like a really cool guy, always fair even in times of defeat. thats not to be a given.

back to topic: another thing which is really obvious. Clips don't have a real home advantage. fans are like in the regular season (or have they given up on this team). as if they are watching by the way.


Thanks. I care less is why I've mellowed out. When I was a raging homer in previous years I admit I can be a bad sport at times. But in this series I have nothing to be mad about. The Jazz are winning fair and square with much harder, smarter play. All you can do in that situation is pay respect.
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Re: WCQF: P2 | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#63 » by TMU » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:41 pm

Call him an iso player all you want, but Joe Johnson is the most cold-blooded **** of all-time. I love watching that guy in the 4th quarter.
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Post#64 » by og15 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:50 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
Else_where wrote:OP looking for ways to edit this to "Doc Rivers no longer matters"


Nope, not really. I didn't watch the game last night as it's the one series that doesn't matter at all as the winner is out next round. But yeah I see cp3 had 28 points on 10/19. Wow. Looking at others shooting numbers, looks like they would have been better with him shooting 24-25 shots. I know it might drop his ts %, But seems like his team needed 35 out of him, which skill wise he coulda got. But he didn't shoot enough. I've already forgotten about him for the year/this meaningless series. Unfortunately the Griffin injury robs us of another chance to see him get smoked by a good team and start screaming at his teammates and the refs.

You don't understand basketball. In the three games which Blake has been out for 2.5 of that, Paul is averaging 30 PPG on 22 FGA/G. If you think that how the game works is "oh if he just took more shots", then go ask Westbrook how that 37 ppg triple double worked out in his 5 game series loss. I think all that needs to be read is "I didn't watch the game", the rest can be summarized as "and I have no clue what I'm talking about".
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Re: It's time to say it: cp3 no longer matters 

Post#65 » by Louie_Ruckuz » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:59 pm

Else_where wrote:OP looking for ways to edit this to "Doc Rivers no longer matters"


A change of COACH should've happen last year but for some odd reason they kept Doc Overrated Rivers :lol:
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Post#66 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:17 pm

With Joe Johnson having a great series right now, this recent interview with him on the SI breakaway podcast is well worth the listen:

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/dgital-media/breakaway-2/e/transformation-jazz-forward-joe-johnson-49890828

Nice overview of his career arc and transformation into the effective role player he is today.
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Post#67 » by og15 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:43 pm

Just thinking of the +/- discussion in relation to the OKC/HOU series, and just to think about, here is Chris Paul's +/- so far this series.

Game 1: +1 (lost by 2)
Game 2: +9 (won by 8)
Game 3: +7 (won by 5)
Game 4: -5 (lost by 7)
Game 5: +3 (lost by 4)

Series Total : +15

There was a while back as Clippers fans when some were still overly confident in Doc and not taking into account that basketball games are won over 48 minutes and your starters can't play 48 minutes. At that time, I was debating with people about the actual significance of the bench, even in the playoffs, and especially in a close series. It does make a difference if you bench can be neutral or close when there's a majority of them on the floor, it's not insignificant. A whole team wins, not just the star players or the starters. You can see that outside of game 1, it was the games where the team was able to at least keep it close (-1 to -2) with Paul off the court that they were able to win. When they start going -7, -12, etc when he's off the floor, then that just complicates things.
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Post#68 » by og15 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:58 pm

tundraknight wrote:I still can't believe Doc refused to trade his son Austin in a package for Carmelo :nonono:

This never actually happened. It's very interesting how the headlines can give certain perceptions.


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tundraknight wrote:I still can't believe Doc refused to trade his son Austin in a package for Carmelo :nonono:

When was that ever proposed?

People read a rumour or two then expand on them
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Re: It's time to say it: cp3 no longer matters 

Post#69 » by hardenASG13 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:16 am

og15 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Else_where wrote:OP looking for ways to edit this to "Doc Rivers no longer matters"


Nope, not really. I didn't watch the game last night as it's the one series that doesn't matter at all as the winner is out next round. But yeah I see cp3 had 28 points on 10/19. Wow. Looking at others shooting numbers, looks like they would have been better with him shooting 24-25 shots. I know it might drop his ts %, But seems like his team needed 35 out of him, which skill wise he coulda got. But he didn't shoot enough. I've already forgotten about him for the year/this meaningless series. Unfortunately the Griffin injury robs us of another chance to see him get smoked by a good team and start screaming at his teammates and the refs.

You don't understand basketball. In the three games which Blake has been out for 2.5 of that, Paul is averaging 30 PPG on 22 FGA/G. If you think that how the game works is "oh if he just took more shots", then go ask Westbrook how that 37 ppg triple double worked out in his 5 game series loss. I think all that needs to be read is "I didn't watch the game", the rest can be summarized as "and I have no clue what I'm talking about".


I'm not talking about anything, people keep trying to keep the discussion going based on this series, as if it matters at all. I made my point originally to see what others thought. Some agreed , some didn't. The utah/lac series is meaningless, I'm not watching it. Nothing cp3 does in that series will impact my view of him, positively or negatively. Just not a guy who can carry a team anywhere in my opinion . Won't get a chance to see this year unfortunately.
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Re: WCQF: P2 | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#70 » by baldur » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:39 am

millsap is mad at the refs.
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Post#71 » by DEEP3CL » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:23 am

Clippers are dead team walking, they may play a spirited game on Friday but Utah has clearly figured them out. The Clippers are too predictable in the last 5 minutes of a game. The fact that they can't run anything other than screen-roll is doing them in. I always said that you can't run any post offense through Griffin or Jordan because they lack offensive moves in the post. You have to credit the Jazz and coach Snyder, they have outplayed and out coached the Clippers in every way this series.
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Post#72 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:23 am

quite frankly, I've been expecting the Jazz to be really good since last last season... it is a very well coached team with some good young players... adding G Hill and JJ only speed up the development of this team
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Post#73 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:26 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Clippers are dead team walking, they may play a spirited game on Friday but Utah has clearly figured them out. The Clippers are too predictable in the last 5 minutes of a game. The fact that they can't run anything other than screen-roll is doing them in. I always said that you can't run any post offense through Griffin or Jordan because they lack offensive moves in the post. You have to credit the Jazz and coach Snyder, they have outplayed and out coached the Clippers in every way this series.


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Post#74 » by Mrakar » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:51 am

Everyone is talking about Westbrook's awfull suporting cast, lets look at Clippers without Griffin...

Paul------- ----- Westbrook
Redick --------- Oladipo
Mbah a Moute - Roberson
Speights --------Gibson
Jordan --------- Adams
Crawford ------ Kanter
Rivers ---------- Mcdermott
Pierce ---------- Grant
Felton ---------- Abrines


I dont see any major advantage for Paul, am i wrong?
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Post#75 » by ZaborgZaloog » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:48 am

Mrakar wrote:Everyone is talking about Westbrook's awfull suporting cast, lets look at Clippers without Griffin...

Paul------- ----- Westbrook
Redick --------- Oladipo
Mbah a Moute - Roberson
Speights --------Gibson
Jordan --------- Adams
Crawford ------ Kanter
Rivers ---------- Mcdermott
Pierce ---------- Grant
Felton ---------- Abrines


I dont see any major advantage for Paul, am i wrong?


I'd MUCH rather have LAC's supporting cast no question
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Post#76 » by HeartBreakKid » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:05 am

ZaborgZaloog wrote:
Mrakar wrote:Everyone is talking about Westbrook's awfull suporting cast, lets look at Clippers without Griffin...

Paul------- ----- Westbrook
Redick --------- Oladipo
Mbah a Moute - Roberson
Speights --------Gibson
Jordan --------- Adams
Crawford ------ Kanter
Rivers ---------- Mcdermott
Pierce ---------- Grant
Felton ---------- Abrines


I dont see any major advantage for Paul, am i wrong?


I'd MUCH rather have LAC's supporting cast no question

I'm not sure about that. Reddick and Jordan are better than anyone on the Thunder, but Pierce and Crawford are way worse than anyone on the Thunder. :lol:
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Post#77 » by Quiet-Dude » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:17 am

I was watching game 5, I just feel bad for the Clippers at this point, really sad what has happened to them on back to back playoffs.
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Post#78 » by Slava » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:49 am

Mrakar wrote:Everyone is talking about Westbrook's awfull suporting cast, lets look at Clippers without Griffin...

Paul------- ----- Westbrook
Redick --------- Oladipo
Mbah a Moute - Roberson
Speights --------Gibson
Jordan --------- Adams
Crawford ------ Kanter
Rivers ---------- Mcdermott
Pierce ---------- Grant
Felton ---------- Abrines


I dont see any major advantage for Paul, am i wrong?


That roster is designed to work for CP3. A good screen and roll big, shooters to space the floor and let Paul make the decisions with the ball. Westbrook's roster lacks any kind of shooting to let him do anything more than iso into tough shots.
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Post#79 » by Dupp » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:57 am

Slava wrote:
Mrakar wrote:Everyone is talking about Westbrook's awfull suporting cast, lets look at Clippers without Griffin...

Paul------- ----- Westbrook
Redick --------- Oladipo
Mbah a Moute - Roberson
Speights --------Gibson
Jordan --------- Adams
Crawford ------ Kanter
Rivers ---------- Mcdermott
Pierce ---------- Grant
Felton ---------- Abrines


I dont see any major advantage for Paul, am i wrong?


That roster is designed to work for CP3. A good screen and roll big, shooters to space the floor and let Paul make the decisions with the ball. Westbrook's roster lacks any kind of shooting to let him do anything more than iso into tough shots.


Plural?
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Post#80 » by Slava » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:04 am

Dupp wrote:
Slava wrote:
Mrakar wrote:Everyone is talking about Westbrook's awfull suporting cast, lets look at Clippers without Griffin...

Paul------- ----- Westbrook
Redick --------- Oladipo
Mbah a Moute - Roberson
Speights --------Gibson
Jordan --------- Adams
Crawford ------ Kanter
Rivers ---------- Mcdermott
Pierce ---------- Grant
Felton ---------- Abrines


I dont see any major advantage for Paul, am i wrong?


That roster is designed to work for CP3. A good screen and roll big, shooters to space the floor and let Paul make the decisions with the ball. Westbrook's roster lacks any kind of shooting to let him do anything more than iso into tough shots.


Plural?


They run line ups with Felton or Rivers alongside Paul when they need additional shooting, even Speights helps.
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