Is DeAndre Ayton the consensus #1 Overall Draft Choice?

Post #61 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:19 pm

Doncic

Balkman32 · Post #62 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:21 pm

If I am selecting #1 I take Doncic unless the Suns Head Coach says he's not interested in him.

D3ko · Post #63 » by **D3ko** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:41 pm

Balkman32 wrote:If I am selecting #1 I take Doncic unless the Suns Head Coach says he's not interested in him.

The problem with Phoenix is that Ayton is the local dream, they hope him to be a league changer, because they have seen dunking and shooting in Arizona . The next Kobe and Shaq , nothing less, :crazy:

The big deal is that Phoenix hasnt seen the playoff for years so they haven't used to the way of playing, tempo, efficiency that is needed to succeed in the league, as a foreigner fan of Phoenix I can't believe what is happening in Phoenix to be so sold to Ayton , I would think that some agents are moving the local media to support Ayton going first.

For me Ayton is going to be another 18/8 big man with 0 effect on the result. Drummond,Whiteside, Miles Turner , Kanter.

The best outcome for Ayton would be a Prime Pau Gasol but Pau is one of the biggest passer ever for a big man and a incredible passion for the game , although quite soft normally .

I would love to see what could have happened if Ayton would have played at Indiana for example .

Droping a pick 1 in Ayton is the next biggest mistake in Phoenix history.

If Phoenix were a serious franchise, they would draft Doncic, or trade down to grab Mamba plus assets if you really want a big man . As I wrote in Phoenix forum I want the best for the franchise , but is quite clear that something is happening under the public view .

GYK · Post #64 » by **GYK** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:08 pm

Why is Pau an exception? When his talent was decent the team did as it should. But when the team fell off they rightfully sucked with Pau.
Drummond hasn't been built around like Howard was.
Turner is young and his team looks to be on the upswing.
Hassan like DPOY Rudy had trouble in the pick and roll hunting situations.
As easy for Ayton to be a bust so could Luka. Defenders are faster. He's going to be asked to do more than ever before in his first few games. The whole played better competition thing is bordering nonsense. The level of talent towards the bottom of rosters might be better but their top tier is NCAA that never made the league, washed out NBA and Euroleague lifers who have historically come over to be role players.
Like Ayton, Luka skillset and physical attributes have to be what you go on.

Balkman32 · Post #65 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 pm

I just keep going back to that the big man is getting ran out of this league. If you are picking !3 you should zag with the league rather than zig.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #66 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:49 pm

I'm kind of shocked to see how few votes Bagley has gotten. I didn't vote for him but I think he could easily end up being the best player in the draft.

D3ko · Post #67 » by **D3ko** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:29 pm

GYK wrote:Why is Pau an exception? When his talent was decent the team did as it should. But when the team fell off they rightfully sucked with Pau.
Drummond hasn't been built around like Howard was.
Turner is young and his team looks to be on the upswing.
Hassan like DPOY Rudy had trouble in the pick and roll hunting situations.
As easy for Ayton to be a bust so could Luka. Defenders are faster. He's going to be asked to do more than ever before in his first few games. The whole played better competition thing is bordering nonsense. The level of talent towards the bottom of rosters might be better but their top tier is NCAA that never made the league, washed out NBA and Euroleague lifers who have historically come over to be role players.
Like Ayton, Luka skillset and physical attributes have to be what you go on.

For me Pau is an exception in that group because he was able to impact the game as a scorer and a passer, he was an incredible passer Jokic level with less usage than the Serbian . Was a kind of stretch 5 able to punish mismatch inside and open the line for Kobe and Odom . I don't feel the same impact with Ayton , but anyway if he ever achieve that level he will need a HOF player and coach to win a championship.
If Ayton achieve that level is a clear worthy number 1 pick .
I love Bender as that kind of player in 5 years , but he needs to work a lot.

The thing with Doncic is that is a 6'8" point guard with decent shooting , if he never improves more ( as some people want to say) he will have a Real impact in the game , a much worse prospect with some similarities was the second pick last year. So at least Doncic would be a kind of good shooting Ricky Rubio /Ben Simmons/Lonzo Ball .

How many big mans impact the game more than those type of players , only the great ones , I can see Ayton being exposed in playoff repeatedly ( Kat, Whiteside, even Dpoy Gobert was unable to be a factor ) , I can't imagine a situation where Doncic is a liability , some would say , no he will be attack in ISO by the best player in the position , Just try , he would surprise you, he has a Marcus Smart kind of grit ness ,he can switch against anyone , yeah Curry Irving could score 30 on Doncic, Hello welcome to the NBA , they can score that against anyone, the defense against a point guard can be fixed with rotations switch and traps.

The playoff has demonstrated that is impossible to cover a center liablity .

I really don't want Luka to going first because I can tell you he is not a championship MVP player in the NBA, and some haters would put a lot of pressure on the pick 1 , but he can be a really decisive player to win a championship . Argument that I'm unable to defend with most of the player on the top 10 this year.

I don't like Ayton at all, he can be a All star player but not a real piece of a winning team

Mamba is a absolutely unknown for me, he can be Desagana Diop or 3&D DPOY player in a few years , I wouldn't pick him first .

Bagley is a PF/C that I would love on my team as a starter as a glue guy . He would be the steal of the draft if he were out of the loterry , but at top 5 is a non sense .

So As the recent draft has shown the best selection are PG , SG ,SF so go ahead with the best one of Those and that is Doncic.

E-Balla · Post #68 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:40 pm

Bagley. Doncic is obviously loved by basketball fanatics but his athleticism is really limiting. He'll still be a star but its an issue. Bagley on the other hand has no real flaws. All the flaws people bring up are things that don't make sense outside of his rim protection (but he did lead Pearl Jam in blocks and was a shot blocker before Duke). He's a generational type talent.

Jagic Mohnson · Post #69 » by **Jagic Mohnson** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:41 pm

I would take Porter. He has height, handles, quickness, seems pretty strong, and has a good but not great jump shot. He pretty much looked like Ben Simmons when he grabbed a board and went coast to coast to score.

E-Balla · Post #70 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:42 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:I'm kind of shocked to see how few votes Bagley has gotten. I didn't vote for him but I think he could easily end up being the best player in the draft.

Most posters follow hype and mock drafts. Doncic has been getting hyped for years on realgm and Ayton is always first. Bamba had that thread about his athletic results too. People around here most likely haven't seen much of these guys so they learn on realgm and unless you visit the Bagley thread you won't see much about him.

Billy Goat · Post #71 » by **Billy Goat** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:46 pm

Balkman32 wrote:I just keep going back to that the big man is getting ran out of this league. If you are picking !3 you should zag with the league rather than zig.

Just because Golden State has an all star team doesnt mean the big is useless. Plenty of bigs who have a ton of impact.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #72 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:56 pm

E-Balla wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:I'm kind of shocked to see how few votes Bagley has gotten. I didn't vote for him but I think he could easily end up being the best player in the draft.

Most posters follow hype and mock drafts. Doncic has been getting hyped for years on realgm and Ayton is always first. Bamba had that thread about his athletic results too. People around here most likely haven't seen much of these guys so they learn on realgm and unless you visit the Bagley thread you won't see much about him.

Ya I voted for Doncic but I think Bagley is the surest thing in this draft.

Big Mac Biyombo · Post #73 » by **Big Mac Biyombo** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:11 am

E-Balla wrote:(but he did lead Pearl Jam in blocks and was a shot blocker before Duke)

I'm not sure that's saying much. McCready can slay a mean solo, but he was never much of a rim protector.

Stillwater · Post #74 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:19 am

Most experts agree Doncic is the best player in this draft because the sample size is much larger and you know what you are getting.
Ayton,Bamba,Bagley and MPJ all have some flaws in their game despite elite skills in one area and need time to prove they will be complete players down the road.
JJJ is the most balanced skilled big in this draft but needs time to improve in most areas and isn't elite at anything yet but is very solid at most aspects of the game and what you want in a modern big. I'd take the big that has the tools and ceiling to maximize them on both sides of the ball over any that are adept at one but less than average on the other.
I have the best pros in 5 years as
1 Doncic
2 JJJ
3-60 the rest.

E-Balla · Post #75 » by **E-Balla** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:30 am

Big Mac Biyombo wrote:
E-Balla wrote:(but he did lead Pearl Jam in blocks and was a shot blocker before Duke)

I'm not sure that's saying much. McCready can slay a mean solo, but he was never much of a rim protector.

Sheesh I'm tired as hell I meant Peach Jam. :lol:

I'm in Atlanta and went to some games last year too. :oops:

Chuck Everett · Post #76 » by **Chuck Everett** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:30 am

You guys are going to be disappointed in Doncic and then lie and say you never said he would be a superstar. Happens every year.

Big Mac Biyombo · Post #77 » by **Big Mac Biyombo** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:48 am

Chuck Everett wrote:You guys are going to be disappointed in Doncic and then lie and say you never said he would be a superstar. Happens every year.

19 year olds dominate former NCAA stars and win Euroleague MVP every year? Where have I been?

karkinos · Post #78 » by **karkinos** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:58 am

Gordon wrote:Centers are thing of the past, i don`t know why so many bigs are projected to go in Top 6 of the draft, but i think this is huge mistake.

this many bigs ranked in the t10 is a red flag that the overall class is weak imo

i still think porter jr has the highest upside

GYK · Post #79 » by **GYK** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:03 am

D3ko wrote:
GYK wrote:Why is Pau an exception? When his talent was decent the team did as it should. But when the team fell off they rightfully sucked with Pau.
Drummond hasn't been built around like Howard was.
Turner is young and his team looks to be on the upswing.
Hassan like DPOY Rudy had trouble in the pick and roll hunting situations.
As easy for Ayton to be a bust so could Luka. Defenders are faster. He's going to be asked to do more than ever before in his first few games. The whole played better competition thing is bordering nonsense. The level of talent towards the bottom of rosters might be better but their top tier is NCAA that never made the league, washed out NBA and Euroleague lifers who have historically come over to be role players.
Like Ayton, Luka skillset and physical attributes have to be what you go on.

For me Pau is an exception in that group because he was able to impact the game as a scorer and a passer, he was an incredible passer Jokic level with less usage than the Serbian . Was a kind of stretch 5 able to punish mismatch inside and open the line for Kobe and Odom . I don't feel the same impact with Ayton , but anyway if he ever achieve that level he will need a HOF player and coach to win a championship.
If Ayton achieve that level is a clear worthy number 1 pick .
I love Bender as that kind of player in 5 years , but he needs to work a lot.

The thing with Doncic is that is a 6'8" point guard with decent shooting , if he never improves more ( as some people want to say) he will have a Real impact in the game , a much worse prospect with some similarities was the second pick last year. So at least Doncic would be a kind of good shooting Ricky Rubio /Ben Simmons/Lonzo Ball .

How many big mans impact the game more than those type of players , only the great ones , I can see Ayton being exposed in playoff repeatedly ( Kat, Whiteside, even Dpoy Gobert was unable to be a factor ) , I can't imagine a situation where Doncic is a liability , some would say , no he will be attack in ISO by the best player in the position , Just try , he would surprise you, he has a Marcus Smart kind of grit ness ,he can switch against anyone , yeah Curry Irving could score 30 on Doncic, Hello welcome to the NBA , they can score that against anyone, the defense against a point guard can be fixed with rotations switch and traps.

The playoff has demonstrated that is impossible to cover a center liablity .

I really don't want Luka to going first because I can tell you he is not a championship MVP player in the NBA, and some haters would put a lot of pressure on the pick 1 , but he can be a really decisive player to win a championship . Argument that I'm unable to defend with most of the player on the top 10 this year.

I don't like Ayton at all, he can be a All star player but not a real piece of a winning team

Mamba is a absolutely unknown for me, he can be Desagana Diop or 3&D DPOY player in a few years , I wouldn't pick him first .

Bagley is a PF/C that I would love on my team as a starter as a glue guy . He would be the steal of the draft if he were out of the loterry , but at top 5 is a non sense .

So As the recent draft has shown the best selection are PG , SG ,SF so go ahead with the best one of Those and that is Doncic.

Memphis Pau? Joker level passer/ballhandler? A stretch five mid 00's?
Oh the impact Pau was able to make with Kobe.
Doesn't sound like an exception. Sounds like a talented player who came from a mediocre team and his skillset shown out.
Bender wasn't Ayton. He wasn't as physical. Nor the rebounder. Ayton has his one skill and questionable who came in better.

Eh. He's not going to be as efficient around the rim as Ben, nor rebound and certainly not be the defender Been is. Zo is likely to stay a better athlete and his potential as a defender is clear, will he be able to make the passes of those two? Time will tell. Same as Rubio, a clear elite passer and defender. I can praise Luka, I'm very high. But if you think sure fire you would be crazy. He could very well be Mike Miller, a 6'8 player who could shot and pass likely with a larger role. A decent player in his own right but not what anyone would take over a promising big.

Players get attacked. That's what playoff basketball is about. Luka could very well be the defensive liability some think he will be. Not quick enough for points. Not physical enough for wings. If his offensive output doesn't dramatically offset that then he will be seeing little time. Comparing his grittiness to a league elite defender in Smart is foolish. If you think it's come down to heart not scheme, practice, focus and ability you will have an bad time.

I get you like him. I have said multiple times on this board I think the Sun's should put everything not named Booker/Ayton/Jackson(maybe Josh) on the table to get him. They would have a young core. Presumably two ballhandlers who could score or pass, a screener who finishes elite of spot up and a promising two way wing. Very Rockets, who might have shown us the future this year, with more of window to tweak and get it together. But as we can be sure on Luka. Milo's, the Euroleague MVP, can't get playing time on the Clippers. He is essentially an unknown prospect.

NBARocks · Post #80 » by **NBARocks** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:06 am

Ayton is going to be a bust. Bamba will be better than him. Porter would be the steal in this draft if he can overcome his injury. But Doncic is the surest thing in this draft. May not turn out to be the best player in the draft, but he won't bust, that's for sure. He's better than Rubio and Rubio's a starter in the league. If I'm the Suns, i'd trade down and let some other teams take Ayton. Trade Booker for another pick in this draft, then pick Doncic and Bamba.

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