What are the Kings doing?

pipfan · Post #61 » by **pipfan** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:34 pm

terrible asset management

Keep the cap space and suck up bad deals-getting future picks (or a 2019 pick). These two guys will just eat minutes from young guys. The 2019 pick to Boston is a sunk cost-trying to win a few more games this year is a terrible strategy.

poultryfan · Post #62 » by **poultryfan** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:59 pm

Surprisingly the Kings are in a pretty good position for the long run. No bad long-term contracts (Bjelica's 3rd year is non-guaranteed) with a bunch of rookie scale contracts and a few veterans on big expiring deals to meet the salary floor. They dodged a bullet with the Lavine offer sheet getting matched.

RIPskaterdude · Post #63 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:23 pm

badass316 wrote:
donkeylips wrote:Getting Giles and hield seems like a good package for cousins.

Giles and Jackson essentially. Hield is meh. From what I understand Vlade had a better package a day earlier before taking the Pelicans trade. I think the trade essentially came down to Vivek's man crush on Hield and thinking he's the next Steph Curry.

He had a deal with NO for 2 1st round picks and Buddy, but then it got leaked that Cousins wouldn't resign there by his agents, so the deal changed to a 2nd instead of the extra 1st

blicka · Post #64 » by **blicka** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Having cap space for sacramento means nothing.Nobody wants to play for the kings unless they get offered a lot or have no other options

franchise been a clown show ever since vivek became owner

Sactowndog · Post #65 » by **Sactowndog** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:38 am

badass316 wrote:
donkeylips wrote:Getting Giles and hield seems like a good package for cousins.

Giles and Jackson essentially. Hield is meh. From what I understand Vlade had a better package a day earlier before taking the Pelicans trade. I think the trade essentially came down to Vivek's man crush on Hield and thinking he's the next Steph Curry.

I get that people like to bag on the Kings (for good reason) but Hield is far from meh when you shoot 43% from 3. Buddy averages 13.5 points on 25 minutes compared to Brown averaging 14.5 on 30 minutes. He does need to add more explosive dribble drives to his game and get to the foul line more but I expect we will see that this year.

As for the better trade know your facts. The Pels had offered Hield and two firsts before Boogi’s people got to them and said they may not resign. That changed it because of that to 1 first.

Post #66 » by **KF10** » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:00 am

Not drafting Doncic is a big blow in my opinion. I had him #1 in my big board. Bagley was somewhere in the top-5. I think he's gonna be a good player but I see stardom from Doncic already. Dallas got themselves an absolute gem. No pick for the '19 draft hurts too.

Divac was on record saying it was an "easy choice" in drafting Bagley over Doncic. First of all, nothing is easy in drafting potential franchise player in a draft. If it was so-called "easy" choice for him, them, he is not doing his job well enough. Period.

Also, soundbites like the Kings are a super team but young is easy pickings for the national media to barrage them.

That being said, the Kings technically don't have any long-term albatross contracts on their roster, they are practically clean when it comes to salaries owed. So, that's one thing that's going for them. A lot of their base on the roster are relatively young.

John Murdoch · Post #67 » by **John Murdoch** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:44 am

One doo tree nick rocks !

FlipBaller31 · Post #68 » by **FlipBaller31** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:35 am

Imagine being a fan of a team that drafted Jimmer, Thomas Robinson, McLemore, Sauce Castillo these past few years. Man it hurts to be a Kings fan sometimes. WCS has been decent but he's still soft. Fox looks to be really good. But I am not sold on Bagley, hope he proves us wrong though.

NikosTheGoat · Post #69 » by **NikosTheGoat** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:01 am

blicka wrote:Having cap space for sacramento means nothing.Nobody wants to play for the kings unless they get offered a lot or have no other options

franchise been a clown show ever since vivek became owner

you realize that team was run by the maloofs, right?

SF_Warriors · Post #70 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:44 am

Youth movement which is the right direction for them. Are they picking the right guys in the draft? We wont know for a while.

But based on their track record, its hard to be optimistic at times.

cgf · Post #71 » by **cgf** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:35 pm

They're biding their time until the Knicks are desperate enough to accept Shumpert for THJr ;-)

...I hope...

Karate Diop · Post #72 » by **Karate Diop** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:39 pm

FlipBaller31 wrote:Imagine being a fan of a team that drafted Jimmer, Thomas Robinson, McLemore, Sauce Castillo these past few years. Man it hurts to be a Kings fan sometimes. WCS has been decent but he's still soft. Fox looks to be really good. But I am not sold on Bagley, hope he proves us wrong though.

Can't decide if being a fan of a team who drafted those guys is better or worse than being a fan of a team that has not had their own first round picks for what seems like an eternity...

Curmudgeon · Post #73 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:46 pm

What are the Kings doing? No one has been able to answer that question since they moved from Kansas City to Sacramento.

Bologna Smasher · Post #74 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:49 pm

KF10 wrote:Not drafting Doncic is a big blow in my opinion. I had him #1 in my big board. Bagley was somewhere in the top-5. I think he's gonna be a good player but I see stardom from Doncic already. Dallas got themselves an absolute gem. No pick for the '19 draft hurts too.

Divac was on record saying it was an "easy choice" in drafting Bagley over Doncic. First of all, nothing is easy in drafting potential franchise player in a draft. If it was so-called "easy" choice for him, them, he is not doing his job well enough. Period.

Also, soundbites like the Kings are a super team but young is easy pickings for the national media to barrage them.

That being said, the Kings technically don't have any long-term albatross contracts on their roster, they are practically clean when it comes to salaries owed. So, that's one thing that's going for them. A lot of their base on the roster are relatively young.

I agree with picking Doncic as well. I like Bagley and think he will be good, but I think Doncic has the potential to be something special.

Bruteque · Post #75 » by **Bruteque** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:50 pm

Karate Diop wrote:
FlipBaller31 wrote:Imagine being a fan of a team that drafted Jimmer, Thomas Robinson, McLemore, Sauce Castillo these past few years. Man it hurts to be a Kings fan sometimes. WCS has been decent but he's still soft. Fox looks to be really good. But I am not sold on Bagley, hope he proves us wrong though.

Can't decide if being a fan of a team who drafted those guys is better or worse than being a fan of a team that has not had their own first round picks for what seems like an eternity...

I would say worse.

At least BKN fans can look forward to when they will have picks and hopes again. It's another level of despair knowing that all your picks past, present, and future will all turn into lumps of coal or be given away for lumps of coal.

InTheNBADraft · Post #76 » by **InTheNBADraft** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:58 pm

Vlade was one of my favorite players, but he sucks as a GM

ShazamDaShiznt · Post #77 » by **ShazamDaShiznt** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:59 pm

Kings are so bad I am starting to think of conspiracy theories why they are so bad. Vivek and Vlade got to be some agents ruining kings organization because kings once almost effed the nba plans up by almost beating the lakers. So ever since that reffing scandal got surfaced the kings have been on steady decline.

InTheNBADraft · Post #78 » by **InTheNBADraft** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:07 pm

PaKwAn wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:This team was dead in the water the day we made the Stauskas trade. You don't come back from a deal like that. Just ask the Nets. Not drafting Doncic was the nail in the coffin. For Kings fans, we just grab our liquor of choice and try to enjoy our 25 wins. Sadly, this year we won't even have Grandpa Jerry to sing us lullabys as another season goes down the drain.

that trade was one of the worst trades in the NBA! and just like the nets who have made horrible decisions that have set the franchise back, teams can recover when they have the right people to run the team. sean marks has done an excellent job with the nets with the little assets he had there to finally put them in a right/positive direction. it still hasn't shown in the wins column but they have created a positive vibe there because they have a very good and well respected GM guiding the team. The kings badly need someone like that to turn things around for that franchise.

Don't forget the trade that put them out of range of Kemba Walker, just so they can draft Jimmer.

Jadoogar · Post #79 » by **Jadoogar** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:15 pm

amcoolio wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'm truly baffled people dont like these moves. Once you remove the dead weight that has no future here past this year, here is what you are left with.

WCS/Giles
Bagley/Bjelica/Skal
Jackson
Bogdan/hield
Fox/Yogi/Mason

You can say that we messed up by not drafting doncic, most kings fan wont disagree. After that what was the answer? Overpay for ariza and vlade gets crucified, after that the only option is McDermott and he signed with Indiana immediately and Mario who chose NY over us.

Please tell me what other SF was available and attainable? I'm still hoping we move one of WCS or Skal for an oubre or Winslow but I'm glad we didnt force something that wasn't there. Next year Tobias, middleton and oubre are free agents. Maybe we dont get any of them but I'd rather try to overpay them then give McDermott 10 mil per year.

I get giving the kings crap on some things, but this is literally a no win situation once he passed on doncic. Either overpay a mediocre vet and get crucified or stand pat and get crucified. I'm stoked to have Bjelica who was criminally misused on the team and Yogi a proven bench scorer playing backup pg.

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This is RealGM where unless you have Lebron, are the Warriors or get incredibly lucky in the draft for a few years (its all just dumb luck) like the Celtics/Sixers you should blow it up and tank

There's a difference between being unlucky in the draft and being in the lottery for 13 years in a row. Kings have yet to hit on a lottery pick since Cousins (even that didn't take them to the playoffs).

nolang1 · Post #80 » by **nolang1** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:17 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'm truly baffled people dont like these moves. Once you remove the dead weight that has no future here past this year, here is what you are left with.

WCS/Giles
Bagley/Bjelica/Skal
Jackson
Bogdan/hield
Fox/Yogi/Mason

You can say that we messed up by not drafting doncic, most kings fan wont disagree. After that what was the answer? Overpay for ariza and vlade gets crucified, after that the only option is McDermott and he signed with Indiana immediately and Mario who chose NY over us.

Please tell me what other SF was available and attainable? I'm still hoping we move one of WCS or Skal for an oubre or Winslow but I'm glad we didnt force something that wasn't there. Next year Tobias, middleton and oubre are free agents. Maybe we dont get any of them but I'd rather try to overpay them then give McDermott 10 mil per year.

I get giving the kings crap on some things, but this is literally a no win situation once he passed on doncic. Either overpay a mediocre vet and get crucified or stand pat and get crucified. I'm stoked to have Bjelica who was criminally misused on the team and Yogi a proven bench scorer playing backup pg.

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It was more that pretty much everyone knew at the time which signings were going to be dead weight with no future on the Kings, and if they simply hadn't signed those players they'd have had plenty of cap room to go after RFAs or acquire more young players/picks in salary dumps.