The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon

[Homerclease]

Do you have any proof he is staying?

He’s said numerous times how much he likes the city, loves his teammates, has been linked to Gordon Hayward in the past, loves playing for Brad Stevens, Boston was on his original trade list per David Griffin, Boston can offer him the most money and the best chance to win. I don’t have proof per say that he’s going to resign, but I don’t see how anyone can make the leap that somehow he is ‘likely’ to walk

It's because you missed my point. There is no proof he will stay or if he will go. He's playing the pr game until next offseason.

Given that Kyrie has no allegiance to anyone but himself it's likely he makes best choice for his career and personal stardom.

When you consider it that way, the Celtics become 1 of 4 teams to sign him, meaning it's like a 75% chance he leaves.

I’ll ask you again. Do you have any proof he prefers any of those teams over the Boston Celtics?

[VanWest82]

Lol. We have his Bird rights.

Yes and because of that you can offer him an extra year with higher raises, but you're still subject to the 120% rule.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

The salary in the first year of a veteran extension may be any amount up to 120% of the player's previous salary5, or 120% of the estimated average salary (see question number 31), whichever is greater, but no more than the player's maximum salary in that season (i.e., the maximum salary the player can receive if he were to sign a new contract that year as a free agent -- see question number 23).

Your example applies if they tried to extend him TODAY, before his current contract runs out. Hence the reason why he is waiting until the summer of 2019, when the Celtics can offer him the max using Bird rights.

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LOL that's what an extension means. Otherwise he's re-signing as a free agent. OP has both options in the poll. Presumably he didn't know that Kyrie would be restricted to 120% rule if he extended before the season. Just trying to help.

[lonzo_pelota]

this is why didnt wanna forfeit any of those potential lottery picks he knew he'd have to reshuffle and retool because of cap reasons and some players seeking greener than celtic green pastures

[zimpy27]

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

No, you are misinformed. He never said anything about wanting credit for success. That was just something people on sites like this speculated about. He did say he wanted to be more of a point guard rather than playing off the ball while Bron played point, and on the Celtics he is in fact the team's starting point guard and primary ball handler. So that desire has been met in his current location.

People just want him to leave because they either hate Boston, are jealous of Boston or both

That's not true, I really like Boston. I actually don't think he adds much to the celtics and he'd be better to be traded for a piece that does before he walks for nothing.

[Homerclease]

No, you are misinformed. He never said anything about wanting credit for success. That was just something people on sites like this speculated about. He did say he wanted to be more of a point guard rather than playing off the ball while Bron played point, and on the Celtics he is in fact the team's starting point guard and primary ball handler. So that desire has been met in his current location.

People just want him to leave because they either hate Boston, are jealous of Boston or both

That's not true, I really like Boston. I actually don't think he adds much to the celtics and he'd be better to be traded for a piece that does before he walks for nothing.

Quite frankly, that’s absolute nonsense.

[zimpy27]

He’s said numerous times how much he likes the city, loves his teammates, has been linked to Gordon Hayward in the past, loves playing for Brad Stevens, Boston was on his original trade list per David Griffin, Boston can offer him the most money and the best chance to win. I don’t have proof per say that he’s going to resign, but I don’t see how anyone can make the leap that somehow he is ‘likely’ to walk

It's because you missed my point. There is no proof he will stay or if he will go. He's playing the pr game until next offseason.

Given that Kyrie has no allegiance to anyone but himself it's likely he makes best choice for his career and personal stardom.

When you consider it that way, the Celtics become 1 of 4 teams to sign him, meaning it's like a 75% chance he leaves.

I’ll ask you again. Do you have any proof he prefers any of those teams over the Boston Celtics?

As much proof as you that he doesn't.

[Homerclease]

It's because you missed my point. There is no proof he will stay or if he will go. He's playing the pr game until next offseason.

Given that Kyrie has no allegiance to anyone but himself it's likely he makes best choice for his career and personal stardom.

When you consider it that way, the Celtics become 1 of 4 teams to sign him, meaning it's like a 75% chance he leaves.

I’ll ask you again. Do you have any proof he prefers any of those teams over the Boston Celtics?

As much proof as you that he doesn't.

Then it isn’t likely he leaves at all. Lol. Classic general board. You can have the last word. I’m done here

[VanWest82]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere. Because of this Celtics won't bother offering it. Kyrie would take it as an insult, and rightfully so. He's a max player even with the injury history.

you have no idea how any of this works. Please don't post lies if you don't know.

The celtics traded for Kyrie and his bird rights. WE can't give him supermax, but we can offer more than any other team. Full max for 5 years.

It doesn't matter too much, as he'd probably want a 3 + 1 deal anyways to get more future money and flexibility.

No other team in the nba can offer more money or years than the Celtics. none.

Man you guys are dense. OP has "max extension" as a poll option in addition to waiting until FA. Extension means you "extend" before the contract is up, otherwise you're "re-signing" as a free agent. 120% rule applies to extensions, not re-signing as a FA. Wording is important. Maybe look some of this up before you start calling people out.

[jimmy keys]

We don't worry about Kyrie. And Kyrie doesn't worry about Boston.

After this season, he is free to make his decisions. He is a fantastic player and I fully wish for him to stay on. However, the minute that he feels the need to leave, then leave. No worries.

One thing everyone has to realize...The Celtics are greater than any One player.

This is ridiculous. Horrible asset management. You know Danny don't think like that.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Yes and because of that you can offer him an extra year with higher raises, but you're still subject to the 120% rule.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

Your example applies if they tried to extend him TODAY, before his current contract runs out. Hence the reason why he is waiting until the summer of 2019, when the Celtics can offer him the max using Bird rights.

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LOL that's what an extension means. Otherwise he's re-signing as a free agent.

Ah, fair enough. Did not realize that you were responding to the poll question. I misinterpreted it as you saying we could only give him 120% after his contract expired. My bad.

[lebron stopper]

Kyrie will remind everyone how good he is this season. Rozier is nowhere close to Kyrie as much as I love him.

Kyrie is one of the best playoff performers in the league. And it isn’t all LeBron, he’s straight up trashed Avery Bradley making difficult shot after difficult shot. Warriors had absolutely no answer for him.

Avery Bradley is an overrated defender, tbh. Not sure why Jerry West gave him $25 million to clog up the Clippers guard rotation even more.

[ForeverTFC]

They should play out the year and offer the max - they have enough assets that they can get out of the deal if/when they need to. If Kyrie takes it, they're in a good position. If not, they move on. I don't know of any trade sceanrios today with a larger NPV than waiting it out and offering the max.

[zimpy27]

I’ll ask you again. Do you have any proof he prefers any of those teams over the Boston Celtics?

As much proof as you that he doesn't.

Then it isn’t likely he leaves at all. Lol. Classic general board. You can have the last word. I’m done here

If there was 2 teams in the league then your logic would almost make sense

[ITYSL]

As much proof as you that he doesn't.

Then it isn’t likely he leaves at all. Lol. Classic general board. You can have the last word. I’m done here

If there was 2 teams in the league then your logic would almost make sense

It's pretty silly math to think that just because a FA has interest in multiple teams, that there is an equal chance he'll go to each team.

[RoyceDa59]

Sign em all, win 3 chips, become recognized as a dynasty. Pay 500M over 5 years in luxury tax.


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[VanWest82]

Ah, fair enough. Did not realize that you were responding to the poll question. I misinterpreted it as you saying we could only give him 120% after his contract expired. My bad.

No worries. There appears to be some heightened tension these days between Raps and Celtics fans lol.

FWIW I hope Boston is able to re-sign Kyrie. Same with Toronto and Kawhi. Should be a really fun rivalry. Celtics have built a very nice team. It would be a shame to see them break it up at this point trying to chase bigger name guys. I don't think Kyrie is going anywhere.

[zimpy27]

Then it isn’t likely he leaves at all. Lol. Classic general board. You can have the last word. I’m done here

If there was 2 teams in the league then your logic would almost make sense

It's pretty silly math to think that just because a FA has interest in multiple teams, that there is an equal chance he'll go to each team.

If you have no proof he stays in Boston and no proof anywhere else then you have to assume it's equal. This all based in reviewing the teams based on his comments to leave he Cavs. Not all teams are considered, if I did then the odds would be much higher that he leaves.

Usually you can build relationships with players tying them to the city but Kyrie seems different.

I guess you have to trust the Celtics management on this one, they would know more than us.

[cheese318]

Make no mistake about it, if Danny Ainge thinks for even a second that Kyrie is leaving, he will trade him during the season. Ainge understands better than anyone that the least valuable asset is the one that walks away for nothing.

I said that in the wiretap discussion on this topic that it would be very unlike Danny Ainge to lose Kyrie Irving for nothing. It makes you wonder why he was not even considered to be offered in any talks for Kawhi Leonard. Ainge must have some strong reasons to consider that he is going to sign an extension


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[Hindenburg]

Make no mistake about it, if Danny Ainge thinks for even a second that Kyrie is leaving, he will trade him during the season. Ainge understands better than anyone that the least valuable asset is the one that walks away for nothing.

I said that in the wiretap discussion on this topic that it would be very unlike Danny Ainge to lose Kyrie Irving for nothing. It makes you wonder why he was not even considered to be offered in any talks for Kawhi Leonard. Ainge must have some strong reasons to consider that he is going to sign an extension


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Yep, I don't see Ainge let Kyrie keep them in the dark until free agency. I think he'll try to get something concrete out of him by early 2019 and if Kyrie doesn't cooperate, he'll get shipped out and Ainge will once again fleece another GM.

[Optms]

Make no mistake about it, if Danny Ainge thinks for even a second that Kyrie is leaving, he will trade him during the season. Ainge understands better than anyone that the least valuable asset is the one that walks away for nothing.

I said that in the wiretap discussion on this topic that it would be very unlike Danny Ainge to lose Kyrie Irving for nothing. It makes you wonder why he was not even considered to be offered in any talks for Kawhi Leonard. Ainge must have some strong reasons to consider that he is going to sign an extension


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Trading for a rental of Leonard was probably never an option, especially considering how stingy the Spurs were with their asking price.

Even with Kyrie's future in the air after next season, the tantalizing prospects of having a Celtics core with Kyrie is too promising. They already have the East on lock, with or without Kyrie. The only threat being Philly with their two generational talents. Raps upgraded but Kawhi isn't enough and he's leaving after the 2019 season anyway.