RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#15 2018-19

[thetruth95]

Please take Brandon Ingram off the too be added list. If you include him you can include just about anyone.

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But you're okay with IT being there??

What has Ingram ever done that warrants his being included. Pre injury IT carried the Celtics with a near 30 ppg. What gives us any reason to think Ingram could be top 25? Serious question. Please enlighten me.

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[lakerz12]

Please take Brandon Ingram off the too be added list. If you include him you can include just about anyone.

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But you're okay with IT being there??

What has Ingram ever done that warrants his being included. Pre injury IT carried the Celtics with a near 30 ppg. What gives us any reason to think Ingram could be top 25? Serious question. Please enlighten me.

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This poll is about now and going forward. Pre-injury, Boston IT does not exist anymore and has no relevance here.

Brandon Ingram could be top 25 this coming year if he makes a noticeable improvement. I'm not saying he belongs there now, but find me some other 20 year old, 6'9" sophmores who averaged 16/5/4 on good efficiency and I will say they have a chance of moving into the top 25 in their third year also.

It certainly doesn't make any sense to say that "anyone" belongs there if BI does. His production so far and potential is clearly well well well above average.

[Jazz Dog]

Donovan Mitchell next

[thetruth95]

But you're okay with IT being there??

What has Ingram ever done that warrants his being included. Pre injury IT carried the Celtics with a near 30 ppg. What gives us any reason to think Ingram could be top 25? Serious question. Please enlighten me.

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This poll is about now and going forward. Pre-injury, Boston IT does not exist anymore and has no relevance here.

Brandon Ingram could be top 25 this coming year if he makes a noticeable improvement. I'm not saying he belongs there now, but find me some other 20 year old, 6'9" sophmores who averaged 16/5/4 on good efficiency and I will say they have a chance of moving into the top 25 in their third year also.

It certainly doesn't make any sense to say that "anyone" belongs there if BI does. His production so far and potential is clearly well well well above average.

Coulda would shoulda. What has he done that makes you think that he will be anywhere near the top 25? Besides unreasonable fanboy hopefulness?

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[lakerz12]

What has Ingram ever done that warrants his being included. Pre injury IT carried the Celtics with a near 30 ppg. What gives us any reason to think Ingram could be top 25? Serious question. Please enlighten me.

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This poll is about now and going forward. Pre-injury, Boston IT does not exist anymore and has no relevance here.

Brandon Ingram could be top 25 this coming year if he makes a noticeable improvement. I'm not saying he belongs there now, but find me some other 20 year old, 6'9" sophmores who averaged 16/5/4 on good efficiency and I will say they have a chance of moving into the top 25 in their third year also.

It certainly doesn't make any sense to say that "anyone" belongs there if BI does. His production so far and potential is clearly well well well above average.

Coulda would shoulda. What has he done that makes you think that he will be anywhere near the top 25? Besides unreasonable fanboy hopefulness?

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Going for the personal attacks now?

I just told you why. Go research him and you'll see he has one of the highest cielings in the league.

Also, there are 45 total names in the OP including the poll options. So there are 19 other guys you need to take up your crusade against.

[Luigi]

Ingram does stick out to me in the one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others way.

[dukes_wild]

Kyrie - 28 votes
Lillard - 31 votes
Lowry - 5 votes

Pretty insane how these 3 PGs are all extremely close in terms of overall impact yet Lowry is way behind in votes.

[deneem4]

Kyrie - 28 votes
Lillard - 31 votes
Lowry - 5 votes

Pretty insane how these 3 PGs are all extremely close in terms of overall impact yet Lowry is way behind in votes.

Wall only has 2 votes and hes the best player out of all of them

[lakerz12]

Ingram does stick out to me in the one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others way.

Did you see IT play last year? He's clearly the worst player on that list.

[Luigi]

Ingram does stick out to me in the one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others way.

Did you see IT play last year? He's clearly the worst player on that list.

Still, all Thomas he has to do is be healthy this season. Ingram hasn't done it yet, there's a very large set of guys like Ingram. Not so many who have hit Thomas' level.

[lakerz12]

Ingram does stick out to me in the one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others way.

Did you see IT play last year? He's clearly the worst player on that list.

Still, all Thomas he has to do is be healthy this season. Ingram hasn't done it yet, there's a very large set of guys like Ingram. Not so many who have hit Thomas' level.

Tell me the names of a large set of guys Ingram's size, stats, age, draft pedigree, cieling etc. It's really a very small group.

Thomas hit that level in a situation he's no longer in. And he only hit it for 1 year. Should we put Dwade on this list too? If you want to go based off 2016-17 and previous performance, there are plenty of great players more proven than IT.

[ZUDAMAGIC]

What else is Kyrie better at than Kyle Lowry, other than ball-handling?

He hit a shot over Curry in the finals? Put lowry besides Lebron and see what he would do too

Dont ever put Kyle lowry and Kyrie in the same sentence ever again. EVER.

[Luigi]

Did you see IT play last year? He's clearly the worst player on that list.

Still, all Thomas he has to do is be healthy this season. Ingram hasn't done it yet, there's a very large set of guys like Ingram. Not so many who have hit Thomas' level.

Tell me the names of a large set of guys Ingram's size, stats, age, draft pedigree, cieling etc. It's really a very small group.

Thomas hit that level in a situation he's no longer in. And he only hit it for 1 year. Should we put Dwade on this list too?

Come on man, does Wade just have to be healthy this year like Thomas?

Off the top of my head, guys with significantly more level of achievement + upside (besides the others on the list):

Towns
Simmons
Tatum
Mitchell
Capella
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Andre Drummond
Zach Lavine
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown
Steven Adams

And guys in Ingrams' range:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Jamal Murray
Rozier
Holis-Jefferson
Oubre
Portis

[lakerz12]

Still, all Thomas he has to do is be healthy this season. Ingram hasn't done it yet, there's a very large set of guys like Ingram. Not so many who have hit Thomas' level.

Tell me the names of a large set of guys Ingram's size, stats, age, draft pedigree, cieling etc. It's really a very small group.

Thomas hit that level in a situation he's no longer in. And he only hit it for 1 year. Should we put Dwade on this list too?

Come on man, does Wade just have to be healthy this year like Thomas?

Off the top of my head, guys with significantly more level of achievement + upside:

Towns
Simmons
Tatum
Mitchell
Capella
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Andre Drummond
Zach Lavine
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown
Steven Adams

And guys in Ingrams' range:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Jamal Murray
Rozier
Holis-Jefferson
Oubre
Portis

You really think that health is all that is stopping IT from being what he was in 16-17? Come on. It's much more likely he caught lightning in a bottle than to think he's ever going to achieve that level again.

Towns- Already in the OP
Simmons- Already in the OP
Tatum- Already in the OP
Mitchell- Already in the OP
Capella- Already in the OP
Randle- okay
Aaron Gordon- okay
Andre Drummond- Already in the OP
Zach Lavine- not better than Ingram
Otto Porter- okay
Gary Harris- okay
Jamal Murray- okay
Jaylen Brown- okay
Steven Adams- Already in the OP

Andrew Wiggins- near Ingram's level
Lauri Markkanen- near Ingram's level
Saric- near Ingram's level
Jamal Murray- you already listed him above
Rozier- below Ingram
Holis-Jefferson- below Ingram
Oubre- near Ingram's level
Portis- below Ingram

So you listed a lot of guys that are already in the OP, not sure what your point is there.

The rest of the guys you could put in the "yet-to-be-added field" and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

You do realize there are 45 guys in the OP including the poll options. It's not really a top 25. It's more of a top 50+ when you consider that the OP accepts new entries to the "yet-to-be-added field".

If you don't think Ingram is a top 50 player then we can just agree to disagree. But if you'd really draft IT over Ingram right now then with all due respect you're just plain wrong.

[Luigi]

So you listed a lot of guys that are already in the OP, not sure what your point is there.

You don't? Here's the point we should be able to agree on.

Guys that belong on the list well before Ingram:
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown

We'll have to argue about Zach Lavine. If we open it up to veterans, there is a whole other list of guys that belong before Ingram.

And we should wait until these guys come up to add Ingram to the pool:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Oubre

And argue about these Rozier, Holis-Jefferson, and Portis.

And that's just off the top of my head... There's a bunch more. Ingram is way premature here.

[lakerz12]

So you listed a lot of guys that are already in the OP, not sure what your point is there.

You don't? Here's the point we should be able to agree on.

Guys that belong on the list well before Ingram:
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown

We'll have to argue about Zach Lavine. If we open it up to veterans, there is a whole other list of guys that belong before Ingram.

And we should wait until these guys come up to add Ingram to the pool:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Oubre

And argue about these Rozier, Holis-Jefferson, and Portis.

And that's just off the top of my head... There's a bunch more. Ingram is way premature here.

I wouldn't take any of those guys over Ingram.

But feel free to nominate whoever you want for the pool.

[Luigi]

So you listed a lot of guys that are already in the OP, not sure what your point is there.

You don't? Here's the point we should be able to agree on.

Guys that belong on the list well before Ingram:
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown

We'll have to argue about Zach Lavine. If we open it up to veterans, there is a whole other list of guys that belong before Ingram.

And we should wait until these guys come up to add Ingram to the pool:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Oubre

And argue about these Rozier, Holis-Jefferson, and Portis.

And that's just off the top of my head... There's a bunch more. Ingram is way premature here.

I wouldn't take any of those guys over Ingram.

But feel free to nominate whoever you want for the pool.

You agreed earlier.

The poll is about the best players for the upcoming season. Not about building a team around for the future.

[iggymcfrack]

So you listed a lot of guys that are already in the OP, not sure what your point is there.

You don't? Here's the point we should be able to agree on.

Guys that belong on the list well before Ingram:
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown

We'll have to argue about Zach Lavine. If we open it up to veterans, there is a whole other list of guys that belong before Ingram.

And we should wait until these guys come up to add Ingram to the pool:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Oubre

And argue about these Rozier, Holis-Jefferson, and Portis.

And that's just off the top of my head... There's a bunch more. Ingram is way premature here.

Is there a vote for worst players in the league going on at the same time as the vote for the best players? Can I get a link to the thread?

[rcc8884]

Add Aldridge, massively underrated

[lakerz12]

You don't? Here's the point we should be able to agree on.

Guys that belong on the list well before Ingram:
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Otto Porter
Gary Harris
Jamal Murray
Jaylen Brown

We'll have to argue about Zach Lavine. If we open it up to veterans, there is a whole other list of guys that belong before Ingram.

And we should wait until these guys come up to add Ingram to the pool:
Andrew Wiggins
Lauri Markkanen
Saric
Oubre

And argue about these Rozier, Holis-Jefferson, and Portis.

And that's just off the top of my head... There's a bunch more. Ingram is way premature here.

I wouldn't take any of those guys over Ingram.

But feel free to nominate whoever you want for the pool.

You agreed earlier.

The poll is about the best players for the upcoming season. Not about building a team around for the future.

When? When I said "okay" I meant I could see how you would think they are better than or near Ingram and that they belong in the OP.

I wouldn't take any of the guys you just listed over Ingram for this next season.