RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#17 2018-19

[Luigi]

FYI, usage includes turnovers. So having a green light isn't necessarily higher usage, just more shots. Not sure if that's what you meant though .

Yeah, it does. But it's the easiest measure to see how much of the offense they get, adjusted to pace and other stuff.

[Edrees]

If you put Draymond and Ben Simmons on separate, equally terrible teams which guy's team wins more games?

Also, add Horford.

Simmons instead of Draymond and Golden State wins 0 titles instead of 3

If regular seaosn matters only and playoffs doesn't than Harden > Lebron probably.

I just go by who is better in playoffs

[SlowPaced]

I'm going Draymond Green here. He should've been picked a couple of spots earlier. I'd have him ahead of Jokic and Lillard, personally.

[DiogoLandim]

Some of these voters that were on a crusade for Irving prob won't be even voting from now on, It's a relief that we don't have to listen to them every single pool. But sticking to the theme, I'll go with Draymond (for the 3º time), add Kristaps.

[AKTriple]

Voted PG add on Horford and Beal

[SlowPaced]

I know RPM’s not everything

Your posts suggest otherwise. You clearly take it as gospel.

So do many of the other people voting here. It disappoints me that on a forum of hardcore basketball fans, RPM, a stat that by no means is faultless, is held to such esteem that people are willing to completely disregard eye test and formulate all of their arguments around it.

People are willing to question what they see based on the stat, but they're nowhere near as willing to question the stat based on what they see. That's not good. It should be a two-way street.

[THE J0KER]

II voted for KAT. Draymond is better as part of contenders teams, but Towns is better as a franchise player. So we have in the league 20+ teams which more needs 25-10 team (co-)star, and just about 10 teams which actually need more an elite defensive/passing option such as Green.

[ElectricMayhem]

This round is already decided, but #18 looks to be interesting between George, Townes, Klay, & Simmons.

[Higgs Boston]

Why is simmons in these lists? even worse, he has more votes than george.

[righterwriter]

WTH is Jokic doing there in the top-20? Is this rating fantasy players or rating guys who are good on both sides of the ball, leading to wins?

[PierceFan4ever]

Wtf why is Kyrie already listed? He’s not even a top 40 player in the league. At least 12 pg’s better than him, rpm shows everything.

[brackdan70]

Why is simmons in these lists? even worse, he has more votes than george.

Yeah it’s pretty amusing

[SlowPaced]

Wtf why is Kyrie already listed? He’s not even a top 40 player in the league. At least 12 pg’s better than him, rpm shows everything.

Kyrie can't hold a candle to Tyus Jones, Fred VanVleet and Spencer Dinwiddie.

[DCRYsing89]

John wall...let’s be real...he was injured all of last year (even had the least distance traveled on the court)
But the year before he was considered a top 3 player in the east...
He’s coming in healthy this year...let’s make this realistic

By who? His immediate family?

Lets be real , honestly never thought top 3 in east.
Like it was kinda just Bron then the rest.
But last year I ranked him 3rd best PG in the league
Curry, Paul ahead of him
Westbrook, Dame, Kyrie just behind,
Last year Dame and Kyrie made it obvious coming into this season higher.
And even being as high as I was on Wall him and Westbrook are similar in alot of ways, and I honestly would put it down to homerism puting wall over brook.
But at the end of the day undoubtable he is a top 7 best PG in the league, he is definetly top 20 tho honestly if people put dray and klay over him I understand, but he gotta be up there soon.

Add big al

[THE J0KER]

WTH is Jokic doing there in the top-20? Is this rating fantasy players or rating guys who are good on both sides of the ball, leading to wins?

Jokic should be TOP10 already. CP3 is 33old and playing 60 games in the season 5 times in past 9 seasons (including last two). Jimmy Butler makes team better only by own efforts and even put some bad blood into team chemistry, unlike Jokic which together with own great personal numbers also makes teammates better on the way only Draymond Green and Al Horford can be compared out of all bigz right now.

[ITYSL]

Voted Paul George.

[ITYSL]

That’s actually 4 years in a row that Dray’s had a better RPM than Durant. He’s a better playmaker, a better rebounder, and a much better defender. I’d still take KD, but I can see a legitimate argument the other way.

And on a basis of more impact, I'd agree with iggy that Dray's impact is well above Durant's. And really, that's all I care about in a team sport.

Yikes.

[bondom34]

That’s actually 4 years in a row that Dray’s had a better RPM than Durant. He’s a better playmaker, a better rebounder, and a much better defender. I’d still take KD, but I can see a legitimate argument the other way.

And on a basis of more impact, I'd agree with iggy that Dray's impact is well above Durant's. And really, that's all I care about in a team sport.

Yikes.

73 wins with Iggy there, and lineups that had Iggy and no Curry being better than Curry without Iggy.

When was Durant on a 73 win team now?

[bondom34]

Voted Paul George.

And as someone who likes OKC.

Yikes.

[ITYSL]

Voted Paul George.

And as someone who likes OKC.

Yikes.

Yikes at PG being the 17th best player in the league? OK. Yeah, that's definitely in the same stratosphere as saying you prefer Draymond over KD.