2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

[bondom34]

Because like 5 posts before what I replied to there was a post about Luka has more room to improve than the other rookies because he is skilled already (and most players don't get more skilled) and adding muscle/conditioning is easy. Easy for everyone except Bagley, I suppose, who is going to be the only NBA player to not get stronger than where they were at age 19.

Bagley is playing with in all likelihood the worst 5 in the league for him at this point. Cauley-Stein is one of a handful of starters left in the entire league who doesn't shoot threes, and he's the worst rebounder out of all of them. Put Bagley next to any of the other non-shooting bigs (Capela, Adams, DJ, Gobert, and Ayton are the only ones who have played as many minutes as WCS) and that team would offset the lack of spacing by being #1 in offensive rebounding. Put him next to one who can shoot threes (which since it's not 2009 anymore is not particularly rare) and he can run pick-and-roll with Fox like he's naturally suited to.

The number of centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. It's an exception rather than the rule.

Not really. Brook Lopez, Ibaka/Val, Turner, Embiid, Horford, Vucci Mane, and Dedmon are all EC starting Cs. That's 7 of the 15 EC teams.

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

[nolang1]

The number of centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. It's an exception rather than the rule.

Not really. Brook Lopez, Ibaka/Val, Turner, Embiid, Horford, Vucci Mane, and Dedmon are all EC starting Cs. That's 7 of the 15 EC teams.

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

And an even bigger difference between those guys and someone who can't/doesn't shoot them at all.

[bondom34]

Not really. Brook Lopez, Ibaka/Val, Turner, Embiid, Horford, Vucci Mane, and Dedmon are all EC starting Cs. That's 7 of the 15 EC teams.

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

And an even bigger difference between those guys and someone who can't/doesn't shoot them at all.

Among centers, there aren't many who are legitimate 3 point threats, which was the point.

[RaptorsLife]

Trae young is good. People gotta start appreciating him

[nolang1]

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

And an even bigger difference between those guys and someone who can't/doesn't shoot them at all.

Among centers, there aren't many who are legitimate 3 point threats, which was the point.

And my point was that there are an even smaller number of total non-shooters who are guarded in an entirely different way than one would guard Serge Ibaka, who you seem to imagine teams are just leaving wide open based on 122 attempts from him this year even though he's a career 35% three-point shooter. This should be pretty elementary, just as how anyone can see that defenders cheat off of Ben Simmons much more than they would some perimeter player who's shooting in the low thirties from three.

Bagley is already making do with 5s who cannot shoot at all, so obviously any little bit of shooting would be extra spacing he currently does not benefit from. And for the 3rd/4th time, any starting-caliber center who is in a similar class of non-shooter as Cauley-Stein brings a much better combination of finishing, rebounding, and defense to the table.

[bondom34]

And an even bigger difference between those guys and someone who can't/doesn't shoot them at all.

Among centers, there aren't many who are legitimate 3 point threats, which was the point.

And my point was that there are an even smaller number of total non-shooters who are guarded in an entirely different way than one would guard Serge Ibaka, who you seem to imagine teams are just leaving wide open based on 122 attempts from him this year even though he's a career 35% three-point shooter. This should be pretty elementary, just as how anyone can see that defenders cheat off of Ben Simmons much more than they would some perimeter player who's shooting in the low thirties from three.

Bagley is already making do with 5s who cannot shoot at all, so obviously any little bit of shooting would be extra spacing he currently does not benefit from. And for the 3rd/4th time, any starting-caliber center who is in a similar class of non-shooter as Cauley-Stein brings a much better combination of finishing, rebounding, and defense to the table.

Just a glance:
Dwight/whoever WAS starts
Gobert
WCS
Nurk
Ayton
Adams
Capela
Gortat
LMA
Turner
Allen
Bam/Whiteside
Biyombo/CHA's starter of choice
Jordan
Thompson

There's 15 who are total non-shooters who start. Adding in guys who shoot just a little or poorly makes it a majority.

[nolang1]

Among centers, there aren't many who are legitimate 3 point threats, which was the point.

And my point was that there are an even smaller number of total non-shooters who are guarded in an entirely different way than one would guard Serge Ibaka, who you seem to imagine teams are just leaving wide open based on 122 attempts from him this year even though he's a career 35% three-point shooter. This should be pretty elementary, just as how anyone can see that defenders cheat off of Ben Simmons much more than they would some perimeter player who's shooting in the low thirties from three.

Bagley is already making do with 5s who cannot shoot at all, so obviously any little bit of shooting would be extra spacing he currently does not benefit from. And for the 3rd/4th time, any starting-caliber center who is in a similar class of non-shooter as Cauley-Stein brings a much better combination of finishing, rebounding, and defense to the table.

Just a glance:
Dwight/whoever WAS starts
Gobert
WCS
Nurk
Ayton
Adams
Capela
Gortat
LMA
Turner
Allen
Bam/Whiteside
Biyombo/CHA's starter of choice
Jordan
Thompson

There's 15 who are total non-shooters who start. Adding in guys who shoot just a little or poorly makes it a majority.

LOL the Wizards start 38% three-point shooter Thomas Bryant. Cody Zeller and Hernangomez play more than Biyombo, and both can shoot threes. Myles Turner is a 39% three-point shooter. Clearly you're not even trying to read.

And as I wrote (now for the 5th time) all the other players have a better combination of rebounding, finishing, and defense. The only players on that list who aren't clearly better than WCS in all three areas would be Gortat (worse finisher but he's a spot starter who plays 15 mpg; the Clippers have done just fine with Harrell, who is smaller than Bagley will be when he fills out, playing most of their minutes at the 5), Ayton (rim protector, but obviously having the #1 and #2 picks on the same team would be more about potential than current results), Nurkic (worse finisher but way better at everything else; he's 14th in RPM at the moment), and Thompson (Cleveland isn't even trying to put together a team at this point).

[bondom34]

And my point was that there are an even smaller number of total non-shooters who are guarded in an entirely different way than one would guard Serge Ibaka, who you seem to imagine teams are just leaving wide open based on 122 attempts from him this year even though he's a career 35% three-point shooter. This should be pretty elementary, just as how anyone can see that defenders cheat off of Ben Simmons much more than they would some perimeter player who's shooting in the low thirties from three.

Bagley is already making do with 5s who cannot shoot at all, so obviously any little bit of shooting would be extra spacing he currently does not benefit from. And for the 3rd/4th time, any starting-caliber center who is in a similar class of non-shooter as Cauley-Stein brings a much better combination of finishing, rebounding, and defense to the table.

Just a glance:
Dwight/whoever WAS starts
Gobert
WCS
Nurk
Ayton
Adams
Capela
Gortat
LMA
Turner
Allen
Bam/Whiteside
Biyombo/CHA's starter of choice
Jordan
Thompson

There's 15 who are total non-shooters who start. Adding in guys who shoot just a little or poorly makes it a majority.

LOL the Wizards start 38% three-point shooter Thomas Bryant. Cody Zeller and Hernangomez play more than Biyombo, and both can shoot threes. Myles Turner is a 39% three-point shooter.

And as I wrote (now for the 5th time) all the other players have a better combination of rebounding, finishing, and defense. The only players on that list who aren't clearly better than WCS in all three areas would be Gortat (worse finisher but he's a spot starter who plays 15 mpg), Ayton (rim protector, but obviously having the #1 and #2 picks on the same team would be more about potential than current results), Nurkic (worse finisher but way better at everything else; he's 14th in RPM at the moment), and Thompson (Cleveland isn't even trying to put together a team at this point).

I'm not even arguing WCS is good (he's not, he's decent but not good).

Bryant takes less than 1 3 a game. Biyombo plays more minutes than Hernangomez, Zeller's been injured yet again, and they average .7 and .5 attempts per game respectively. Those aren't bigs who can shoot they're bigs who very occasionally do shoot.

I agree WCS isn't good, but the shooting point wasn't really the way to go about it.

[nolang1]

Just a glance:
Dwight/whoever WAS starts
Gobert
WCS
Nurk
Ayton
Adams
Capela
Gortat
LMA
Turner
Allen
Bam/Whiteside
Biyombo/CHA's starter of choice
Jordan
Thompson

There's 15 who are total non-shooters who start. Adding in guys who shoot just a little or poorly makes it a majority.

LOL the Wizards start 38% three-point shooter Thomas Bryant. Cody Zeller and Hernangomez play more than Biyombo, and both can shoot threes. Myles Turner is a 39% three-point shooter.

And as I wrote (now for the 5th time) all the other players have a better combination of rebounding, finishing, and defense. The only players on that list who aren't clearly better than WCS in all three areas would be Gortat (worse finisher but he's a spot starter who plays 15 mpg), Ayton (rim protector, but obviously having the #1 and #2 picks on the same team would be more about potential than current results), Nurkic (worse finisher but way better at everything else; he's 14th in RPM at the moment), and Thompson (Cleveland isn't even trying to put together a team at this point).

I'm not even arguing WCS is good (he's not, he's decent but not good).

Bryant takes less than 1 3 a game. Biyombo plays more minutes than Hernangomez, Zeller's been injured yet again, and they average .7 and .5 attempts per game respectively. Those aren't bigs who can shoot they're bigs who very occasionally do shoot.

I agree WCS isn't good, but the shooting point wasn't really the way to go about it.

I said he is possibly the worst fit for Bagley, not that he's the worst center in the league; he is a zero as an outside shooter, the stuff he does well is redundant with Bagley's strengths at this point, and he is not some incredible defender/rebounder to make up for the lack of shooting. You are trying to turn this into a semantic argument based on your personal definition of 'good shooter' when the obvious point was that those players can shoot well enough that they could spot up on the arc while Bagley runs a pick-and-roll and the defense couldn't just leave them wide open; right now if the Kings want to run a pick-and-roll, it's Bagley who has to spot up for WCS because the other way around clearly would just be inviting WCS's defender to clog up the paint.

[bondom34]

LOL the Wizards start 38% three-point shooter Thomas Bryant. Cody Zeller and Hernangomez play more than Biyombo, and both can shoot threes. Myles Turner is a 39% three-point shooter.

And as I wrote (now for the 5th time) all the other players have a better combination of rebounding, finishing, and defense. The only players on that list who aren't clearly better than WCS in all three areas would be Gortat (worse finisher but he's a spot starter who plays 15 mpg), Ayton (rim protector, but obviously having the #1 and #2 picks on the same team would be more about potential than current results), Nurkic (worse finisher but way better at everything else; he's 14th in RPM at the moment), and Thompson (Cleveland isn't even trying to put together a team at this point).

I'm not even arguing WCS is good (he's not, he's decent but not good).

Bryant takes less than 1 3 a game. Biyombo plays more minutes than Hernangomez, Zeller's been injured yet again, and they average .7 and .5 attempts per game respectively. Those aren't bigs who can shoot they're bigs who very occasionally do shoot.

I agree WCS isn't good, but the shooting point wasn't really the way to go about it.

I said he is possibly the worst fit for Bagley, not that he's the worst center in the league; he is a zero as an outside shooter, the stuff he does well is redundant with Bagley's strengths at this point, and he is not some incredible defender/rebounder to make up for the lack of shooting. You are trying to turn this into a semantic argument based on your personal definition of 'good shooter' when the obvious point was that those players can shoot well enough that they could spot up on the arc while Bagley runs a pick-and-roll and the defense couldn't just leave them wide open; right now if the Kings want to run a pick-and-roll, it's Bagley who has to spot up for WCS because the other way around clearly would just be inviting WCS's defender to clog up the paint.

Except I wasn't really debating your post. I quoted E-Balla:

The number of centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. It's an exception rather than the rule.

Not really. Brook Lopez, Ibaka/Val, Turner, Embiid, Horford, Vucci Mane, and Dedmon are all EC starting Cs. That's 7 of the 15 EC teams.

You are correct WCS can't space the floor and he's not a good starter at this point.

But I never said that was incorrect, I was agreeing the idea that centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. There aren't many floor spacing Cs right now, most starters aren't hence the list. There are a handful yes but most either shoot very poorly or very low volume or both.

[nolang1]

I'm not even arguing WCS is good (he's not, he's decent but not good).

Bryant takes less than 1 3 a game. Biyombo plays more minutes than Hernangomez, Zeller's been injured yet again, and they average .7 and .5 attempts per game respectively. Those aren't bigs who can shoot they're bigs who very occasionally do shoot.

I agree WCS isn't good, but the shooting point wasn't really the way to go about it.

I said he is possibly the worst fit for Bagley, not that he's the worst center in the league; he is a zero as an outside shooter, the stuff he does well is redundant with Bagley's strengths at this point, and he is not some incredible defender/rebounder to make up for the lack of shooting. You are trying to turn this into a semantic argument based on your personal definition of 'good shooter' when the obvious point was that those players can shoot well enough that they could spot up on the arc while Bagley runs a pick-and-roll and the defense couldn't just leave them wide open; right now if the Kings want to run a pick-and-roll, it's Bagley who has to spot up for WCS because the other way around clearly would just be inviting WCS's defender to clog up the paint.

Except I wasn't really debating your post. I quoted E-Balla:

The number of centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. It's an exception rather than the rule.

Not really. Brook Lopez, Ibaka/Val, Turner, Embiid, Horford, Vucci Mane, and Dedmon are all EC starting Cs. That's 7 of the 15 EC teams.

You are correct WCS can't space the floor and he's not a good starter at this point.

But I never said that was incorrect, I was agreeing the idea that centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. There aren't many floor spacing Cs right now, most starters aren't hence the list. There are a handful yes but most either shoot very poorly or very low volume or both.

The ones who shoot low volume do so because they aren't good at driving or passing and thus are aggressively run off the line when they actually get the ball; they are still fulfilling their function of spacing the floor for other players when they spot up behind the arc. And again you are just trying to go into semantics with shooting 'very poorly' even though we're at a point in the season where the difference between 32 and 36 percent can be easily explained by a handful of heaves/end of clock attempts.

[bondom34]

I said he is possibly the worst fit for Bagley, not that he's the worst center in the league; he is a zero as an outside shooter, the stuff he does well is redundant with Bagley's strengths at this point, and he is not some incredible defender/rebounder to make up for the lack of shooting. You are trying to turn this into a semantic argument based on your personal definition of 'good shooter' when the obvious point was that those players can shoot well enough that they could spot up on the arc while Bagley runs a pick-and-roll and the defense couldn't just leave them wide open; right now if the Kings want to run a pick-and-roll, it's Bagley who has to spot up for WCS because the other way around clearly would just be inviting WCS's defender to clog up the paint.

Except I wasn't really debating your post. I quoted E-Balla:

The number of centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. It's an exception rather than the rule.

Not really. Brook Lopez, Ibaka/Val, Turner, Embiid, Horford, Vucci Mane, and Dedmon are all EC starting Cs. That's 7 of the 15 EC teams.

You are correct WCS can't space the floor and he's not a good starter at this point.

But I never said that was incorrect, I was agreeing the idea that centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. There aren't many floor spacing Cs right now, most starters aren't hence the list. There are a handful yes but most either shoot very poorly or very low volume or both.

The ones who shoot low volume do so because they aren't good at driving or passing and thus are aggressively run off the line when they actually get the ball; they are still fulfilling their function of spacing the floor for other players when they spot up behind the arc. And again you are just trying to go into semantics with shooting 'very poorly' even though we're at a point in the season where the difference between 32 and 36 percent can be easily explained by a handful of heaves/end of clock attempts.

It can be explained by that because they've shot about 20 3PA all season. It's 1 shot. It's not semantics to say not many centers shoot 3s, they don't. The majority of starting Cs in the NBA aren't real 3 point threats. Heck even Turner, who was the best rebuttal, is shooting near identical volume and percentages as Rondo. And Rondo's not a threat either.

[nolang1]

Except I wasn't really debating your post. I quoted E-Balla:






You are correct WCS can't space the floor and he's not a good starter at this point.

But I never said that was incorrect, I was agreeing the idea that centers who can shoot 3s is still a small number. There aren't many floor spacing Cs right now, most starters aren't hence the list. There are a handful yes but most either shoot very poorly or very low volume or both.

The ones who shoot low volume do so because they aren't good at driving or passing and thus are aggressively run off the line when they actually get the ball; they are still fulfilling their function of spacing the floor for other players when they spot up behind the arc. And again you are just trying to go into semantics with shooting 'very poorly' even though we're at a point in the season where the difference between 32 and 36 percent can be easily explained by a handful of heaves/end of clock attempts.

It can be explained by that because they've shot about 20 3PA all season. It's 1 shot. It's not semantics to say not many centers shoot 3s, they don't. The majority of starting Cs in the NBA aren't real 3 point threats. Heck even Turner, who was the best rebuttal, is shooting near identical volume and percentages as Rondo. And Rondo's not a threat either.

Way to ignore the entire spacing part of what I wrote. Unlike Rondo, when Myles Turner spots up he is forcing the other team’s best rim protector out of the paint.

[bondom34]

The ones who shoot low volume do so because they aren't good at driving or passing and thus are aggressively run off the line when they actually get the ball; they are still fulfilling their function of spacing the floor for other players when they spot up behind the arc. And again you are just trying to go into semantics with shooting 'very poorly' even though we're at a point in the season where the difference between 32 and 36 percent can be easily explained by a handful of heaves/end of clock attempts.

It can be explained by that because they've shot about 20 3PA all season. It's 1 shot. It's not semantics to say not many centers shoot 3s, they don't. The majority of starting Cs in the NBA aren't real 3 point threats. Heck even Turner, who was the best rebuttal, is shooting near identical volume and percentages as Rondo. And Rondo's not a threat either.

Way to ignore the entire spacing part of what I wrote. Unlike Rondo, when Myles Turner spots up he is forcing the other team’s best rim protector out of the paint.

Which was never anything I argued when I posted that!

Read my post. i didn't once say a thing about bigs spacing. I very specifically said

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

So no, bigs don't shoot a lot, or very well. Way to ignore what I argued I guess?

[nolang1]

It can be explained by that because they've shot about 20 3PA all season. It's 1 shot. It's not semantics to say not many centers shoot 3s, they don't. The majority of starting Cs in the NBA aren't real 3 point threats. Heck even Turner, who was the best rebuttal, is shooting near identical volume and percentages as Rondo. And Rondo's not a threat either.

Way to ignore the entire spacing part of what I wrote. Unlike Rondo, when Myles Turner spots up he is forcing the other team’s best rim protector out of the paint.

Which was never anything I argued when I posted that!

Read my post. i didn't once say a thing about bigs spacing. I very specifically said

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

So no, bigs don't shoot a lot, or very well. Way to ignore what I argued I guess?

No, I already gave your useless semantic argument all the consideration it needed when I said that difference is insignificant compared to the much bigger difference between those players and the Willie Cauley-Steins in the world who just don't shoot threes. It's a very low bar to clear for teams to determine that they can't just let someone have a wide-open practice shot when they get the ball behind the arc, and it's not like there's some different closeout technique you use for a 31% shooter vs. a 35% shooter lol.

The fact that the difference between the low thirties and the mid/high thirties isn't that vast should be pretty obvious since you just cherrypicked the numbers of a few players who have had cold starts from three even though all of those players have had recent seasons that surely would have qualified them as good three-point shooters. That's akin to suggesting that teams should have just left Klay Thompson wide open when he was shooting 31% or whatever on threes earlier in the season.

[bondom34]

Way to ignore the entire spacing part of what I wrote. Unlike Rondo, when Myles Turner spots up he is forcing the other team’s best rim protector out of the paint.

Which was never anything I argued when I posted that!

Read my post. i didn't once say a thing about bigs spacing. I very specifically said

Big difference between guys who are shooting and can shoot.
Embiid's shooting 31%, Jokic the same. Val 30, Ibaka 27. And most are lower attempts.

So no, bigs don't shoot a lot, or very well. Way to ignore what I argued I guess?

No, I already gave your useless semantic argument all the consideration it needed when I said that difference is insignificant compared to the much bigger difference between those players and the Willie Cauley-Steins in the world who just don't shoot threes. Should be pretty obvious since you just cherrypicked the numbers of a few players who have had cold starts even though all of those players have had recent seasons that surely would have qualified them as good three-point shooters in your book. That's akin to suggesting that teams should have just left Klay Thompson wide open when he was shooting 31% or whatever on threes earlier in the season.

I don't think you understand. You are not arguing what I am saying. You are saying something entirely different.

This is why I never quoted your post. I quoted E Balla to explain that most bigs don't shoot 3s. That's it. A simple statement of fact.

Your statement, of an entirely different subject, is irrelevant to it. It's not semantics its different topics entirely. The difference between someone shooting no 3s and minimal 3s is minimal. That's semantics. The difference between saying most bigs shoot 3s and not most bigs shoot 3s is not semantics. The latter is what I was saying.

[nolang1]

Which was never anything I argued when I posted that!

Read my post. i didn't once say a thing about bigs spacing. I very specifically said

So no, bigs don't shoot a lot, or very well. Way to ignore what I argued I guess?

No, I already gave your useless semantic argument all the consideration it needed when I said that difference is insignificant compared to the much bigger difference between those players and the Willie Cauley-Steins in the world who just don't shoot threes. Should be pretty obvious since you just cherrypicked the numbers of a few players who have had cold starts even though all of those players have had recent seasons that surely would have qualified them as good three-point shooters in your book. That's akin to suggesting that teams should have just left Klay Thompson wide open when he was shooting 31% or whatever on threes earlier in the season.

I don't think you understand. You are not arguing what I am saying. You are saying something entirely different.

This is why I never quoted your post. I quoted E Balla to explain that most bigs don't shoot 3s. That's it. A simple statement of fact.

Your statement, of an entirely different subject, is irrelevant to it. It's not semantics its different topics entirely. The difference between someone shooting no 3s and minimal 3s is minimal. That's semantics. The difference between saying most bigs shoot 3s and not most bigs shoot 3s is not semantics. The latter is what I was saying.

Most bigs can shoot 3s. If you elect to not guard them when they are standing at the three-point line, they will take threes and make a good percentage of them rather than dribble in or look for someone else to pass it to. There are literally just 15-20 remaining rotation bigs in the league that does not apply to, and that number includes all the bigs Bagley has shared the most court time with in his NBA career (his minutes are staggered with Bjelica's so much that even Kosta Koufos has played more minutes with Bagley). This was easily understood by E Balla and you just turned it into this "um well actually Serge Ibaka is only 27 percent this year" ordeal.

[bondom34]

No, I already gave your useless semantic argument all the consideration it needed when I said that difference is insignificant compared to the much bigger difference between those players and the Willie Cauley-Steins in the world who just don't shoot threes. Should be pretty obvious since you just cherrypicked the numbers of a few players who have had cold starts even though all of those players have had recent seasons that surely would have qualified them as good three-point shooters in your book. That's akin to suggesting that teams should have just left Klay Thompson wide open when he was shooting 31% or whatever on threes earlier in the season.

I don't think you understand. You are not arguing what I am saying. You are saying something entirely different.

This is why I never quoted your post. I quoted E Balla to explain that most bigs don't shoot 3s. That's it. A simple statement of fact.

Your statement, of an entirely different subject, is irrelevant to it. It's not semantics its different topics entirely. The difference between someone shooting no 3s and minimal 3s is minimal. That's semantics. The difference between saying most bigs shoot 3s and not most bigs shoot 3s is not semantics. The latter is what I was saying.

Most bigs can shoot 3s. If you elect to not guard them when they are standing at the three-point line, they will take threes and make a good percentage of them rather than dribble in or look for someone else to pass it to. There are literally just 15-20 remaining rotation bigs in the league that does not apply to, and that number includes all the bigs Bagley has shared the most court time with in his NBA career (his minutes are staggered with Bjelica's so much that even Kosta Koufos has played more minutes with Bagley). This was easily understood by E Balla and you just turned it into this "um well actually Serge Ibaka is only 27 percent this year" ordeal.

No, they can't. Over half of them can't. Very few shoot well. Even fewer at any volume.

[nolang1]

I don't think you understand. You are not arguing what I am saying. You are saying something entirely different.

This is why I never quoted your post. I quoted E Balla to explain that most bigs don't shoot 3s. That's it. A simple statement of fact.

Your statement, of an entirely different subject, is irrelevant to it. It's not semantics its different topics entirely. The difference between someone shooting no 3s and minimal 3s is minimal. That's semantics. The difference between saying most bigs shoot 3s and not most bigs shoot 3s is not semantics. The latter is what I was saying.

Most bigs can shoot 3s. If you elect to not guard them when they are standing at the three-point line, they will take threes and make a good percentage of them rather than dribble in or look for someone else to pass it to. There are literally just 15-20 remaining rotation bigs in the league that does not apply to, and that number includes all the bigs Bagley has shared the most court time with in his NBA career (his minutes are staggered with Bjelica's so much that even Kosta Koufos has played more minutes with Bagley). This was easily understood by E Balla and you just turned it into this "um well actually Serge Ibaka is only 27 percent this year" ordeal.

No, they can't. Over half of them can't.

Yes, they can. They shoot well enough that they have to be defended, and then when defended some of them shoot a low enough percentage that you arbitrarily declare they can't shoot at all, which had nothing to do with any of the posts you replied to.

[bondom34]

Most bigs can shoot 3s. If you elect to not guard them when they are standing at the three-point line, they will take threes and make a good percentage of them rather than dribble in or look for someone else to pass it to. There are literally just 15-20 remaining rotation bigs in the league that does not apply to, and that number includes all the bigs Bagley has shared the most court time with in his NBA career (his minutes are staggered with Bjelica's so much that even Kosta Koufos has played more minutes with Bagley). This was easily understood by E Balla and you just turned it into this "um well actually Serge Ibaka is only 27 percent this year" ordeal.

No, they can't. Over half of them can't.

Yes, they can. They shoot well enough that they have to be defended, and then when defended some of them shoot a low enough percentage that you arbitrarily declare they can't shoot at all, which had nothing to do with any of the posts you replied to.

Anyone can be defended. I said they can;t shoot them.

8 Cs make 1 or more per game, not most. And of them shoot 31%