RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#21 2019-20

[ProcessDoctor]

Ben Simmons (22 years old): 58.2% TS, .146 WS/48, 4.1 BPM, NET RTG +6

Jrue Holiday (28 years old): 55.5% TS, .108 WS/48, 2.8 BPM, NET RTG -1

Shame on all of you.

Win shares just give an edge to whoever’s on a good team and BPM is a poor guess at RPM. Also, no idea where you got those Net Rtg numbers. I see Jrue ahead of Simmons even on the worse team.

Pelicans with Jrue on floor: +4.4
Pelicans with Jrue on bench: -10.2
On/off: +14.6

Sixers with Simmons on floor: +2.2
Sixers with Simmons on bench: +4.6
On/off: -2.4

RPM: Jrue Holiday +4.61 (17th), Ben Simmons +1.74 (63rd)

ON/OFF is the absolute worst metric to judge individual players by. If other starters share the floor with them then it boosts it. Ben was usually on the floor with Tobias and a skeleton crew last year, while Butler and Embiid shared a lot of minutes together.

Win shares actually reflect an individual players impact, evidenced by bad players having low or negative win shares on a good team.

I will give you RPM, albeit it doesn’t tell tell the whole story either.

[ProcessDoctor]

Ben Simmons (22 years old): 58.2% TS, .146 WS/48, 4.1 BPM, NET RTG +6

Jrue Holiday (28 years old): 55.5% TS, .108 WS/48, 2.8 BPM, NET RTG -1

Shame on all of you.

Your numbers are wildly inaccurate.

Fun fact, The pelicans went 33-49 yet when Jrue Holiday played in the game they played at a 50-win pace.

Those stats are all directly from BBR.

So what you’re telling me is Jrue can’t stay healthy, but should get credit for the games he’s missing?

[iggymcfrack]

Ben Simmons (22 years old): 58.2% TS, .146 WS/48, 4.1 BPM, NET RTG +6

Jrue Holiday (28 years old): 55.5% TS, .108 WS/48, 2.8 BPM, NET RTG -1

Shame on all of you.

Your numbers are wildly inaccurate.

Fun fact, The pelicans went 33-49 yet when Jrue Holiday played in the game they played at a 50-win pace.

Those stats are all directly from BBR.

So what you’re telling me is Jrue can’t stay healthy, but should get credit for the games he’s missing?

The net ratings not. That’s way off. Should be +4.4 for Jrue and +2.2 for Simmons.

[Colbinii]

Ben Simmons (22 years old): 58.2% TS, .146 WS/48, 4.1 BPM, NET RTG +6

Jrue Holiday (28 years old): 55.5% TS, .108 WS/48, 2.8 BPM, NET RTG -1

Shame on all of you.

Your numbers are wildly inaccurate.

Fun fact, The pelicans went 33-49 yet when Jrue Holiday played in the game they played at a 50-win pace.

Those stats are all directly from BBR.

So what you’re telling me is Jrue can’t stay healthy, but should get credit for the games he’s missing?

Those stats arent from BBR.

His on/off last season was +14.6 and when Jrue Holiday was on the court his team was outscoring opponents by +4.4 points.

Jrue shouldnt get credit for missing games. Jrue should get credit for being a better player than Simmons when Jrue is on the court compared to Simmons on the court.

If you believe Simmons will be better next season than you should use statistics that are accurate.

[Colbinii]

Ben Simmons (22 years old): 58.2% TS, .146 WS/48, 4.1 BPM, NET RTG +6

Jrue Holiday (28 years old): 55.5% TS, .108 WS/48, 2.8 BPM, NET RTG -1

Shame on all of you.

Win shares just give an edge to whoever’s on a good team and BPM is a poor guess at RPM. Also, no idea where you got those Net Rtg numbers. I see Jrue ahead of Simmons even on the worse team.

Pelicans with Jrue on floor: +4.4
Pelicans with Jrue on bench: -10.2
On/off: +14.6

Sixers with Simmons on floor: +2.2
Sixers with Simmons on bench: +4.6
On/off: -2.4

RPM: Jrue Holiday +4.61 (17th), Ben Simmons +1.74 (63rd)

ON/OFF is the absolute worst metric to judge individual players by. If other starters share the floor with them then it boosts it. Ben was usually on the floor with Tobias and a skeleton crew last year, while Butler and Embiid shared a lot of minutes together.

Win shares actually reflect an individual players impact, evidenced by bad players having low or negative win shares on a good team.

I will give you RPM, albeit it doesn’t tell tell the whole story either.

Sorry man but you are wrong once again.

Simmons played 1434 of his minutes with Butler, 1458 with Embiid and 1739 with JJ Redick. He played only 693 minutes with Tobias.

Embiid only spent 914 minutes with Butler.

It seems there is a common trend with you and "incorrect data".

[GQ Hot Dog]

Voted Jrue
Nominate Klay

[freethedevil]

So no KD, Oladipo or Klay Thompson because of injury?

KD and Dipo both on the list.

Klay just hasn't got nominated in.

Which bothers me because he's better than everyone up there other than KD, Oladipo and probably Holiday. After watching Klay play great in the playoffs, play solid defense against Kawhi, it's inexplicable disrespect for him to be left off so far.

It's not inexplicable, his impact is minimal on his team when compared to draymond, durant or curry. He's a distant 4th option and wasn't anything special in the rs. His defense has plummeted and offensively he's as one dimensional as it gets.

Why would he be in consideration?

[LoveMyRaps]

Simmons isn't even better than Siakam... relax.

[ProcessDoctor]

Your numbers are wildly inaccurate.

Fun fact, The pelicans went 33-49 yet when Jrue Holiday played in the game they played at a 50-win pace.

Those stats are all directly from BBR.

So what you’re telling me is Jrue can’t stay healthy, but should get credit for the games he’s missing?

Those stats arent from BBR.

His on/off last season was +14.6 and when Jrue Holiday was on the court his team was outscoring opponents by +4.4 points.

Jrue shouldnt get credit for missing games. Jrue should get credit for being a better player than Simmons when Jrue is on the court compared to Simmons on the court.

If you believe Simmons will be better next season than you should use statistics that are accurate.

Net rating is different from on/off.

[Colbinii]

Those stats are all directly from BBR.

So what you’re telling me is Jrue can’t stay healthy, but should get credit for the games he’s missing?

Those stats arent from BBR.

His on/off last season was +14.6 and when Jrue Holiday was on the court his team was outscoring opponents by +4.4 points.

Jrue shouldnt get credit for missing games. Jrue should get credit for being a better player than Simmons when Jrue is on the court compared to Simmons on the court.

If you believe Simmons will be better next season than you should use statistics that are accurate.

Net rating is different from on/off.

I know. Your numbers were wrong for Jrue Holiday. His Net Rating was +4.4.

[GQ Hot Dog]

KD and Dipo both on the list.

Klay just hasn't got nominated in.

Which bothers me because he's better than everyone up there other than KD, Oladipo and probably Holiday. After watching Klay play great in the playoffs, play solid defense against Kawhi, it's inexplicable disrespect for him to be left off so far.

It's not inexplicable, his impact is minimal on his team when compared to draymond, durant or curry. He's a distant 4th option and wasn't anything special in the rs. His defense has plummeted and offensively he's as one dimensional as it gets.

Why would he be in consideration?

Klay is one of the top perimeter defenders in basketball, everyone that knows such as coaches agree. You'd have to be an idiot not to recognize that at this point after doing it for years and years. He was even one of the best defenders of Kawhi Leonard last season.

He's the best catch and shoot player in the game accept maybe for Curry and he's an excellent scorer in the post. His game is not as diverse as other players but he's so incredibly good at what he does that only fools and haters put him outside the top-20.

[Colbinii]

Which bothers me because he's better than everyone up there other than KD, Oladipo and probably Holiday. After watching Klay play great in the playoffs, play solid defense against Kawhi, it's inexplicable disrespect for him to be left off so far.

It's not inexplicable, his impact is minimal on his team when compared to draymond, durant or curry. He's a distant 4th option and wasn't anything special in the rs. His defense has plummeted and offensively he's as one dimensional as it gets.

Why would he be in consideration?

Klay is one of the top perimeter defenders in basketball, everyone that knows such as coaches agree. You'd have to be an idiot not to recognize that at this point after doing it for years and years. He was even one of the best defenders of Kawhi Leonard last season.

He's the best catch and shoot player in the game accept maybe for Curry and he's an excellent scorer in the post. His game is not as diverse as other players but he's so incredibly good at what he does that only fools and haters put him outside the top-20.

Its always nice using a small sample size while Kawhi was injured most of the Finals.

[tmorgan]

As always, a lot of diverse opinions, but the big divide I see is whether or not Jrue and Lowry are top 25 players. Lowry's getting old, and Jrue hasn't had the best record of staying healthy, but yeah... BOTH of them are. Quality defenders, shooters, shot creators, and leaders.

And without throwing too much shade, a couple of guys already voted in are not.