Kristaps Porzingis Is Ridiculously Overrated

Post #61 » by **dakomish23** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:13 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Bankai wrote:Right now KP looks like a taller Andrea Bargnani is his Player Comparison.

did you just compare a guy averaging ten rebounds and 2.5 blocks to one of the worst defensive players of all time?

I remember when the Knicks drafted him and I said the same thing b/c of my anger about them not picking someone else

Then I saw him play. One time. And I realized how stupid of a take it was.

DaPessimist · Post #62 » by **DaPessimist** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:15 pm

I don't think I've seen a single person on this board overrate Porzingis.

Even Mavs homers are cautiously optimistic at best.

DreamTeam09 · Post #63 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:20 pm

Porzingis is easily my fav big ri now, toss up with him and kat actually. I wish dirk was a year or two younger to be around with this core.

Strepbacter · Post #64 » by **Strepbacter** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:22 pm

Saw the thread title and knew OP's entire argument would revolve around TS aaaaand...yep. There it is.

jason bourne · Post #65 » by **jason bourne** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:34 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Seriously, lets stop deluding "ourselves" into thinking that a player that has a TS% of 53 over the last 8 games is carrying a team on his back or something. The Mavericks are winning because of many different players and Porzingis barely has anything to do with that winning. Put Porzingis on the Pistons and lets see how much winning they do.

Seriously? I see more about Luka Doncic than KP. Porzingis was doing better with the Knicks with a 3.2 WS and All-Star before tearing his ACL, but he's not doing horrible with 1.8 WS and you admitted the Mavs are winning.

Feel the hate. Feel the burn. Come to the dark side.

Post #66 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:53 pm

chokingmav wrote:Good lord. KP has been everything we could have expected. His rim protection and shot blocking have completely transformed the Mav's defense. After missing almost 2 years of action his offense is a work in progress, but he's shown flashes of pretty amazing potential. What's surprised me the most though is his rebounding. Much better than expected.

He's clearly taken a big step forward with his rebounding. Good omen.

NY 567 · Post #67 » by **NY 567** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:55 pm

Porzingis has been bad for most of the year but has been phenomenal the last few games since Doncic went down. It isn't shocking that it took a 7'3 guy who nearly missed 2 years some time to get back into form

Post #68 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:58 pm

Bankai wrote:Right now KP looks like a taller Andrea Bargnani is his Player Comparison.

How was Bargnani's defense when he was in Toronto?

Chanel Bomber · Post #69 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:06 pm

Some serious signs of amnesia in this thread.

The predominant narrative when the trade happened and before this season started was that the Knicks had traded away a franchise player and a future superstar. I remember a Celtics fan said he was gonna "sig this" when I said KP wasn't a franchise player. To be fair, a lot of Knicks fans also believed that's who KP was before the trade.

So let's not act as if nobody on this board ever overrated him and as if some of y'all aren't recalibrating your own expectations for KP after the fact (after what we've seen him do since the start of the season).

Also TS% is a significant stat and it shows that KP can't be the star to lead an efficient offense. His ceiling is 2nd option (which is fine since the Mavs already got Luka), and his most realistic upside is high-end role player who contributes to winning by stretching the floor on offense and being an elite rim protector. That's highly valuable. But a lot of people thought I was hating on KP for not annointing him a some sort of superstar.

Rubio9Guy · Post #70 » by **Rubio9Guy** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:08 pm

Always has been. I always laughed how he was included in the Embiid-Jokic-KAT discussion

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Chanel Bomber · Post #71 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:08 pm

Capn'O wrote:
chokingmav wrote:Good lord. KP has been everything we could have expected. His rim protection and shot blocking have completely transformed the Mav's defense. After missing almost 2 years of action his offense is a work in progress, but he's shown flashes of pretty amazing potential. What's surprised me the most though is his rebounding. Much better than expected.

He's clearly taken a big step forward with his rebounding. Good omen.

I don't trust it yet. Remember when he said he would focus on rebounding with the Knicks (either his first or second season) and he reverted back to 6 rpg ways after averaring 10+ for a month?

Not saying it can't happen, I just need to see more before I trust that's who he is now.

NY 567 · Post #72 » by **NY 567** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:11 pm

Rubio9Guy wrote:Always has been. I always laughed how he was included in the Embiid-Jokic-KAT discussion

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Towns should probably win a few games before he's anywhere near the Embiid/Jokic discussion tbh. At least Porzingis plays defense.

mixerball · Post #73 » by **mixerball** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:37 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
So my opinion is dumb because you disagree with me?

youre opinion is dumb because its baseless.

Well, my opinion is a lot less baseless than yours.

mixerball wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
The Mavericks are an average defensive team...He might be a great rim protector but he doesn't do much else defensively.

harden is a great bucket getter but he doesnt do much else offensively

He averages 7.5 assists a game and provides lots of spacing for the Rockets .

but other than that he doesnt do much else offensively

do you still not see what is wrong with your statement?

Mylie10 · Post #74 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:40 pm

chokingmav wrote:Good lord. KP has been everything we could have expected. His rim protection and shot blocking have completely transformed the Mav's defense. After missing almost 2 years of action his offense is a work in progress, but he's shown flashes of pretty amazing potential. What's surprised me the most though is his rebounding. Much better than expected.

He showed some ridiculous range I the Sixers game. There was a stretch I that game where he striped several 3s and one of them was really deep.

Not sure I can remember a player that tall with such a good looking jump shot from that deep.

Muizha · Post #75 » by **Muizha** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:21 pm

KP's defense allows Mavs to start 3 other bad to terrible defenders in Doncic, Hardaway and Powell

Pg81 · Post #76 » by **Pg81** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:25 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Some serious signs of amnesia in this thread.

The predominant narrative when the trade happened and before this season started was that the Knicks had traded away a franchise player and a future superstar. I remember a Celtics fan said he was gonna "sig this" when I said KP wasn't a franchise player. To be fair, a lot of Knicks fans also believed that's who KP was before the trade.

So let's not act as if nobody on this board ever overrated him and as if some of y'all aren't recalibrating your own expectations for KP after the fact (after what we've seen him do since the start of the season).

Also TS% is a significant stat and it shows that KP can't be the star to lead an efficient offense. His ceiling is 2nd option (which is fine since the Mavs already got Luka), and his most realistic upside is high-end role player who contributes to winning by stretching the floor on offense and being an elite rim protector. That's highly valuable. But a lot of people thought I was hating on KP for not annointing him a some sort of superstar.

Chanel Bomber · Post #77 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:43 pm

Pg81 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Some serious signs of amnesia in this thread.

The predominant narrative when the trade happened and before this season started was that the Knicks had traded away a franchise player and a future superstar. I remember a Celtics fan said he was gonna "sig this" when I said KP wasn't a franchise player. To be fair, a lot of Knicks fans also believed that's who KP was before the trade.

So let's not act as if nobody on this board ever overrated him and as if some of y'all aren't recalibrating your own expectations for KP after the fact (after what we've seen him do since the start of the season).

Also TS% is a significant stat and it shows that KP can't be the star to lead an efficient offense. His ceiling is 2nd option (which is fine since the Mavs already got Luka), and his most realistic upside is high-end role player who contributes to winning by stretching the floor on offense and being an elite rim protector. That's highly valuable. But a lot of people thought I was hating on KP for not annointing him a some sort of superstar.

Might as well say your piece instead of dismissing my take as crazy talk. Unless you actually don't have any arguments to counter and get this conversation going, which would explain your empty, McDonald's-type reaction.

Swish1906 · Post #78 » by **Swish1906** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:46 pm

Nice thread, easy to spot users with no clue about basketball

Archx · Post #79 » by **Archx** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:49 pm

Swish1906 wrote:Nice thread, easy to spot users with no clue about basketball

NYK fans shouldn't be allowed to talk about KP. They have one of the dumbest takes. If he is not scoring 40 pts and averaging 20 rebounds, he can't be a star, that's what i get from reading their posts. Guy just returned from a long injury and is getting better every game, yet for some reason he can't or won't be a star JUST BECAUSE.... :lol:

Johnny Firpo · Post #80 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:51 pm

Muizha wrote:KP's defense allows Mavs to start 3 other bad to terrible defenders in Doncic, Hardaway and Powell

Luka and Hardaway are not terrible. They are net neutral almost. Hardaway is actually playing defense this year, I understand this comes as a shock, but he really does. I guess Carlisle was able to reach him. Powell is pretty bad one on one, but he at least hustles.