MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[CptCrunch]

Mods, can we close the polls. This is a waste of time.

The media narrative has already anointed Giannis the MVP this year.

If any other player puts up 38/whatever/whatever on league leading TS, they would be the unanimous MVP.

The Harden hate is driving people insane, destroying the fibers of reasoning and sanity within their brains.

I wish Harden would win 3 ships in a row and turn these past few years into disgraceful "blunder years" aka when Giannis stole MVPs all due to media narrative.

[MrPerfect1]

Mods, can we close the polls. This is a waste of time.

The media narrative has already anointed Giannis the MVP this year.

If any other player puts up 38/whatever/whatever on league leading TS, they would be the unanimous MVP.

The Harden hate is driving people insane, destroying the fibers of reasoning and sanity within their brains.

I wish Harden would win 3 ships in a row and turn these past few years into disgraceful "blunder years" aka when Giannis stole MVPs all due to media narrative.

I guess PPGzzzz and TS% are the only things that matter. We'll just handwave away someone who is putting up an All Time Season on a Historic team with possibly 0 other All Stars who scores almost as much as Harden and more than overcomes any difference on the Offensive end by being a Vastly, Vastly Superior Defensive player.

[mademan]

Mods, can we close the polls. This is a waste of time.

The media narrative has already anointed Giannis the MVP this year.

If any other player puts up 38/whatever/whatever on league leading TS, they would be the unanimous MVP.

The Harden hate is driving people insane, destroying the fibers of reasoning and sanity within their brains.

I wish Harden would win 3 ships in a row and turn these past few years into disgraceful "blunder years" aka when Giannis stole MVPs all due to media narrative.

I guess PPGzzzz and TS% are the only things that matter. We'll just handwave away someone who is putting up an All Time Season on a Historic team with possibly 0 other All Stars who scores almost as much as Harden and more than overcomes any difference on the Offensive end by being a Vastly, Vastly Superior Defensive player.

"Historic team with possibly 0 all-stars". You realize dude's team is playing incredible ball when he's on the bench at about +8.8 per 100 possessions. Giannis is incredible, but his argument should be his play, not his team performence

[brettski]

Mods, can we close the polls. This is a waste of time.

The media narrative has already anointed Giannis the MVP this year.

If any other player puts up 38/whatever/whatever on league leading TS, they would be the unanimous MVP.

The Harden hate is driving people insane, destroying the fibers of reasoning and sanity within their brains.

I wish Harden would win 3 ships in a row and turn these past few years into disgraceful "blunder years" aka when Giannis stole MVPs all due to media narrative.

Damn all these fools on realgm falling for the media narrative instead of Hardens ppg....

[gmoney411]

Harden going for 70 or 80 in a game would have 0 impact. Now, if he suddenly could also start anchoring a League leading Defense, Finish as a Top 2 Seed, and improve the team's current Net Rating, then he would start narrowing the gap.

Giannis isn’t anchoring anything. That team is so good it is the most obvious reason why people shouldn’t consider team performance in an absolute sense.

Giannis could miss the season and they’d win 60 games.


Putting Peak Jordan on the Hawks isn’t making Giannis better than him.

Rofl at the idea that a team with 0 All Stars would be capable of winning anywhere near 60 games. I'd bet anything this has never happened before in league history and never even come close

The Spurs basically did it in 13-14 when they won 62 games and Parker was the only all star. He wasn't having a spectacular year but when a team is that good somebody is going to make the all star team as a reserve. I'm not sure the Bucks could do it but they do have a Spurs like system and it wouldn't shock me if they could win 60 if healthy. Middleton would likely find his way onto the all star team like he did last year.

[TheBullsDynasty]

Bucks play team basketball. They actually have a system unlike the Rockets who only play iso ball.

Look at Bucks’ roster. Their role players aren’t anything special individually but they perform well as a team. It also helps if your 2 star players don’t chuck 46 iso shots up every single game.

[Gooner]

Harden is the MVP, he is just toying with defenders right now, totally unstoppable. Houston has an easy schedule coming up aswell, and they will climb up the rankings.

[ShotCreator]

Harden going for 70 or 80 in a game would have 0 impact. Now, if he suddenly could also start anchoring a League leading Defense, Finish as a Top 2 Seed, and improve the team's current Net Rating, then he would start narrowing the gap.

Giannis isn’t anchoring anything. That team is so good it is the most obvious reason why people shouldn’t consider team performance in an absolute sense.

Giannis could miss the season and they’d win 60 games.


Putting Peak Jordan on the Hawks isn’t making Giannis better than him.

Rofl at the idea that a team with 0 All Stars would be capable of winning anywhere near 60 games. I'd bet anything this has never happened before in league history and never even come close

Mike Budenholzer coached both teams.

13/14 Spurs, 14/15 Hawks.

And Khris Middleton this year is better than anyone on those teams.

[Yuri36]

For a few weeks, Harden has been probably playing his best basketball ever.
If he begins to share the ball and understands that everything is not about him then Houston will become a very serious contender and him obviously an even more serious MVP contender.

[Gooner]

For a few weeks, Harden has been probably playing his best basketball ever.
If he begins to share the ball and understands that everything is not about him then Houston will become a very serious contender and him obviously an even more serious MVP contender.

Houston are a very serious contender as it is. They've been losing only to Warriors recently, that obstacle is no longer there.

[KGtabake]

Giannis isn’t anchoring anything. That team is so good it is the most obvious reason why people shouldn’t consider team performance in an absolute sense.

Giannis could miss the season and they’d win 60 games.


Putting Peak Jordan on the Hawks isn’t making Giannis better than him.

Rofl at the idea that a team with 0 All Stars would be capable of winning anywhere near 60 games. I'd bet anything this has never happened before in league history and never even come close

Mike Budenholzer coached both teams.

13/14 Spurs, 14/15 Hawks.

And Khris Middleton this year is better than anyone on those teams.

The 2014 spurs is one of the best teams ever.
And Khris Middleton has never been better than Al Horford or Paul Millsap.
The Hawks had 4 all stars that year. I seriously doubt if the bucks will ever have that. Some of you need to relax with your agendas and give credit where its due.

[KGtabake]

For a few weeks, Harden has been probably playing his best basketball ever.
If he begins to share the ball and understands that everything is not about him then Houston will become a very serious contender and him obviously an even more serious MVP contender.

It's not a matter of sharing the ball. That won't happen because D'Antoni doesn't want it.
Remember, Harden before D'Antoni was not the same player. If you don't like what you see, blame the coach not the player.

[Dupp]

Mods, can we close the polls. This is a waste of time.

The media narrative has already anointed Giannis the MVP this year.

If any other player puts up 38/whatever/whatever on league leading TS, they would be the unanimous MVP.

The Harden hate is driving people insane, destroying the fibers of reasoning and sanity within their brains.

I wish Harden would win 3 ships in a row and turn these past few years into disgraceful "blunder years" aka when Giannis stole MVPs all due to media narrative.

I guess PPGzzzz and TS% are the only things that matter. We'll just handwave away someone who is putting up an All Time Season on a Historic team with possibly 0 other All Stars who scores almost as much as Harden and more than overcomes any difference on the Offensive end by being a Vastly, Vastly Superior Defensive player.

The point of the basketball is to score. Doing a lot of scoring on great efficiency is not a bad argument.

[JN61]

Mods, can we close the polls. This is a waste of time.

The media narrative has already anointed Giannis the MVP this year.

If any other player puts up 38/whatever/whatever on league leading TS, they would be the unanimous MVP.

The Harden hate is driving people insane, destroying the fibers of reasoning and sanity within their brains.

I wish Harden would win 3 ships in a row and turn these past few years into disgraceful "blunder years" aka when Giannis stole MVPs all due to media narrative.

I guess PPGzzzz and TS% are the only things that matter. We'll just handwave away someone who is putting up an All Time Season on a Historic team with possibly 0 other All Stars who scores almost as much as Harden and more than overcomes any difference on the Offensive end by being a Vastly, Vastly Superior Defensive player.

"Historic team with possibly 0 all-stars". You realize dude's team is playing incredible ball when he's on the bench at about +8.8 per 100 possessions. Giannis is incredible, but his argument should be his play, not his team performence

It would be total nonsense if Middleton wouldn't be an all-star.

[KGtabake]

I guess PPGzzzz and TS% are the only things that matter. We'll just handwave away someone who is putting up an All Time Season on a Historic team with possibly 0 other All Stars who scores almost as much as Harden and more than overcomes any difference on the Offensive end by being a Vastly, Vastly Superior Defensive player.

"Historic team with possibly 0 all-stars". You realize dude's team is playing incredible ball when he's on the bench at about +8.8 per 100 possessions. Giannis is incredible, but his argument should be his play, not his team performence

It would be total nonsense if Middleton wouldn't be an all-star.

Middleton is playing well this year and i'm one of his greatest doubters.I don't think he's better than Tatum or Brown though. They deserve the ASG slot this season imo.
Still, i think that his contract is horrible and it's the reason why the Bucks won't be able to win in Giannis years.
He is getting 38mil per season. Madness.

[limbo]

Harden is MVP for me right now. Giannis still very much in the race, close 2nd.

Harden is just doing stupid things out there. Then i'm watching how bad Westbrook is as a 2nd option and it becomes even more impressive what Harden is doing.

[Wagonband]

People are either saying it's Giannis and it's not even close, or are saying It's Harden and everyone that votes Giannis is a hater.

It's actually a close race between the 2, with Doncic being 3rd while the LAL duo being 4th and 5th. I think pretty much everyone can agree with that.

Harden is playing amazing basketball, he is literally unstoppable right now, but Giannis is a force as well and he just gives much more on the defensive end than Harden. Even if Harden isn't terrible on defence and say is neutral, Giannis is a DPOY candidate... That's where the edge imho goes to Giannis.

[scrabbarista]

Harden:

WS 1st by 26%
WS/48 1st by 1%
VORP 1st by 13%
PIPM WINS 1st by 13%
RAPTOR WAR 1st by 50%
RAPTOR 1st by 31%
PER 2nd by 3% [G.A.]
RPM WINS 2nd by 13% [L.J.]
RPM 2nd by 34% [L.J.]
BPM 3rd [L.D. + G.A.]

pPG tS%zzZZZzZzZZzzzZZZZz

Antetokounmpo:

WS 2nd by 26% [J.H.]
WS/48 2nd by 1% [J.H.]
VORP 3rd by 13% [J.H. + L.D.]
PIPM WINS 2nd by 13% [J.H.]
RAPTOR WAR 3rd by 52% [J.H. + L.J.]
RAPTOR 2nd by 31% [J.H.]
PER 1st by 3%
RPM WINS 3rd by 43% [L.J. + J.H.]
RPM 3rd by 37% [L.J. + J.H.]
BPM 2nd [L.D.]

[The Lazy Potato]

Some of you casual fans (specially americans) forgeting that defense is the half and equal part of the game. And the only real MVP contender that plays on elite level both ends of the floor is Giannis. Harden and Luka are bad/average defenders and this is not something that you should ignoring when we are talking about who is the MVP.

[scrabbarista]

Some of you casual fans (specially americans) forgeting that defense is the half and equal part of the game. And the only real MVP contender that plays on elite level both ends of the floor is Giannis. Harden and Luka are bad/average defenders and this is not something that you should ignoring when we are talking about who is the MVP.

Wow, thank you so much. I always wondered why all of those guys were running around when their team didn't even have the ball. Everything makes so much more sense now. I'm going to go tell my American friends right away! Might be gone for awhile, it's a big country.