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WHITE_HOT_HEAT wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:WHITE_HOT_HEAT wrote:
Imagine posting 100,000 people have died without posting the total number of people who were infected and the ratio of people corresponding to their age and athletic activity.
Even an idiot can google worldometer and see facts and running totals and shouldn’t expect it force fed when they should have it bookmarked by now.
Then don't be an idiot and post numbers without context.
LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
gipper08 wrote:LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
The garbage is coming from people like you. 40-50% of those deaths are from Nursing homes. Another SIGNIFICANT chunk is from the NYC area. A third significant chunk is from people who died WITH Covid and not from Covid.A fourth big chunk is non-nursing home but over 80. Those who actually died from ARDS and are under 50 is less than those who annually die from flu or pneumonia.
IF you don't die from ARDS then you didn't die FROM Covid.
We should have moved heaven and earth to protect those truly vulnerable but instead leftists (not liberals,leftists) hung them out to dry to protect themselves when they didn't need protecting.
As a rule,healthy people do not die from this.They rarely even get very sick.
Not bad for a 7 month old virus with several mutations already. The numbers will get a lot worse before they come down. That's the only sure thing you have.gipper08 wrote:LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
The garbage is coming from people like you. 40-50% of those deaths are from Nursing homes. Another SIGNIFICANT chunk is from the NYC area. A third significant chunk is from people who died WITH Covid and not from Covid.A fourth big chunk is non-nursing home but over 80. Those who actually died from ARDS and are under 50 is less than those who annually die from flu or pneumonia.
IF you don't die from ARDS then you didn't die FROM Covid.
We should have moved heaven and earth to protect those truly vulnerable but instead leftists (not liberals,leftists) hung them out to dry to protect themselves when they didn't need protecting.
As a rule,healthy people do not die from this.They rarely even get very sick.
gipper08 wrote:LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
The garbage is coming from people like you. 40-50% of those deaths are from Nursing homes. Another SIGNIFICANT chunk is from the NYC area. A third significant chunk is from people who died WITH Covid and not from Covid.A fourth big chunk is non-nursing home but over 80. Those who actually died from ARDS and are under 50 is less than those who annually die from flu or pneumonia.
IF you don't die from ARDS then you didn't die FROM Covid.
We should have moved heaven and earth to protect those truly vulnerable but instead leftists (not liberals,leftists) hung them out to dry to protect themselves when they didn't need protecting.
As a rule,healthy people do not die from this.They rarely even get very sick.
LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
On March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization declared Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) a pandemic (1). As of March 28, 2020, a total of 571,678 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 26,494 deaths have been reported worldwide (2). Reports from China and Italy suggest that risk factors for severe disease include older age and the presence of at least one of several underlying health conditions (3,4). U.S. older adults, including those aged ≥65 years and particularly those aged ≥85 years, also appear to be at higher risk for severe COVID-19–associated outcomes; however, data describing underlying health conditions among U.S. COVID-19 patients have not yet been reported (5). As of March 28, 2020, U.S. states and territories have reported 122,653 U.S. COVID-19 cases to CDC, including 7,162 (5.8%) for whom data on underlying health conditions and other known risk factors for severe outcomes from respiratory infections were reported. Among these 7,162 cases, 2,692 (37.6%) patients had one or more underlying health condition or risk factor, and 4,470 (62.4%) had none of these conditions reported. The percentage of COVID-19 patients with at least one underlying health condition or risk factor was higher among those requiring intensive care unit (ICU) admission (358 of 457, 78%) and those requiring hospitalization without ICU admission (732 of 1,037, 71%) than that among those who were not hospitalized (1,388 of 5,143, 27%). The most commonly reported conditions were diabetes mellitus, chronic lung disease, and cardiovascular disease. These preliminary findings suggest that in the United States, persons with underlying health conditions or other recognized risk factors for severe outcomes from respiratory infections appear to be at a higher risk for severe disease from COVID-19 than are persons without these conditions.
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.
by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53
im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
blind prophet wrote:
KrAzY3 wrote:CoP wrote:No there isn't.
Yes there is, there are numerous incidents in which Covid was being written on the death certificate without any sort of proof it actually contributed to the death. In some cases it was pretty obviously not the cause of death. While I understand why, this was being determined as cause of death sometimes from a distance. That's not medically sound practice, but if you just start writing Covid on all the death certificates, it is a heck of a lot easier, especially when you have an elevated number of cases to deal with. That aside, my main point wasn't the number of deaths but the number relative to the actual number of people who caught the virus. Remember the original post mentioned how lethal the virus is.
itrsteve wrote:Oh cool! I can't wait to discuss covid on the internet.
dautjazz wrote:LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
I think at an absolute minimum, 10% of the population has had COVID-19, and more realistically probably 20+% of it has gotten it. So we have around 330M people in the US, lets say some 33-70+M have or had the virus, that would be 0.177-0.376% death rate using this 10-20% of the US population as the range. The virus itself is relatively harmless, it's really killing those with compromised immune systems. This country and much of the world has tons of people who simply don't take care well for themselves, don't eat right, lack important vitamins that strengthen an immune system (C, D, B complex, zinc, etc..), etc.. and they themselves increase their risk with a relatively harmless virus. The NBA has a little over 400 NBA players, if they were average US residents, then sure, 1 could die if they all had it, but we don't have any seniors in the NBA among players, nor morbidly obese players, chronic lung disease, etc.. Currently there is only one player with diabetes, maybe he'd be a little at risk, but the rest, nah.
Check this out:On March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization declared Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) a pandemic (1). As of March 28, 2020, a total of 571,678 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 26,494 deaths have been reported worldwide (2). Reports from China and Italy suggest that risk factors for severe disease include older age and the presence of at least one of several underlying health conditions (3,4). U.S. older adults, including those aged ≥65 years and particularly those aged ≥85 years, also appear to be at higher risk for severe COVID-19–associated outcomes; however, data describing underlying health conditions among U.S. COVID-19 patients have not yet been reported (5). As of March 28, 2020, U.S. states and territories have reported 122,653 U.S. COVID-19 cases to CDC, including 7,162 (5.8%) for whom data on underlying health conditions and other known risk factors for severe outcomes from respiratory infections were reported. Among these 7,162 cases, 2,692 (37.6%) patients had one or more underlying health condition or risk factor, and 4,470 (62.4%) had none of these conditions reported. The percentage of COVID-19 patients with at least one underlying health condition or risk factor was higher among those requiring intensive care unit (ICU) admission (358 of 457, 78%) and those requiring hospitalization without ICU admission (732 of 1,037, 71%) than that among those who were not hospitalized (1,388 of 5,143, 27%). The most commonly reported conditions were diabetes mellitus, chronic lung disease, and cardiovascular disease. These preliminary findings suggest that in the United States, persons with underlying health conditions or other recognized risk factors for severe outcomes from respiratory infections appear to be at a higher risk for severe disease from COVID-19 than are persons without these conditions.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm
Triples333 wrote:bondom34 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.htmlBen O’Donnell, a triathlete who lives in Anoka County, Minn., lost 45 pounds during a four-week hospital stay during which he was placed on a ventilator and a short-term life support machine.
And others. People won't stop downplaying this and its insanity.
These are the 1 in a multi-million case(s) where a younger (38 I believe) healthy person proves susceptible to the virus to the point of flirting with death. They're certainly scary, but far, FAR from something healthy younger people should expect to experience (or know of anyone around them in this demographic to experience). It will be very interesting after his blood work is finished to (hopefully) identify what it is about his system that failed where the vast majority in his demographic show mild to zero symptoms. It could go a ways to further identify the non-elderly susceptible and how to best treat them.
People seem to have a very hard time grappling with the fact that this is A) a very serious virus that we need to take the necessary precautions to protect against by all reasonable means necessary and B) not allowing it to drive fear into all of society to the point of tens of thousands of businesses being ruined due to irrational mass/blanket shutdowns.
Extraordinary anomalies like this man aside (that you will find with literally all viruses), we have clearly identified the smaller subset of the population that this virus is truly dangerous towards (65+ and immune deficient), and those are the ones that all of our efforts should be focused on taking care of. Luckily, the most prone to serious illness/death are those that are often already out of the workforce and already receiving government aid. We could have saved thousands upon thousands of small businesses (absolutely destroying countless lives... a horrible phenomenon that won't be truly felt in the states until these UI boosts are removed in 3 weeks and peoples savings run dry) and trillions of dollars had we done this 4 months ago (as I have been saying for >4 months).
Pointgod wrote:Triples333 wrote:bondom34 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.html
And others. People won't stop downplaying this and its insanity.
These are the 1 in a multi-million case(s) where a younger (38 I believe) healthy person proves susceptible to the virus to the point of flirting with death. They're certainly scary, but far, FAR from something healthy younger people should expect to experience (or know of anyone around them in this demographic to experience). It will be very interesting after his blood work is finished to (hopefully) identify what it is about his system that failed where the vast majority in his demographic show mild to zero symptoms. It could go a ways to further identify the non-elderly susceptible and how to best treat them.
People seem to have a very hard time grappling with the fact that this is A) a very serious virus that we need to take the necessary precautions to protect against by all reasonable means necessary and B) not allowing it to drive fear into all of society to the point of tens of thousands of businesses being ruined due to irrational mass/blanket shutdowns.
Extraordinary anomalies like this man aside (that you will find with literally all viruses), we have clearly identified the smaller subset of the population that this virus is truly dangerous towards (65+ and immune deficient), and those are the ones that all of our efforts should be focused on taking care of. Luckily, the most prone to serious illness/death are those that are often already out of the workforce and already receiving government aid. We could have saved thousands upon thousands of small businesses (absolutely destroying countless lives... a horrible phenomenon that won't be truly felt in the states until these UI boosts are removed in 3 weeks and peoples savings run dry) and trillions of dollars had we done this 4 months ago (as I have been saying for >4 months).
Yeah that’s worked out great in Texas, Florida and Arizona
How many of those people had heart disease or lung cancer already? Hell how many of them died in car wrecks? It's already been proven people that die from unrelated causes are listed as Covid-19 deaths. I'd be willing to bet maybe a very small fraction of that 100,000 peoples deaths were actually directly related to Covid.LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
Best2EverDoIt wrote:How many of those people had heart disease or lung cancer already? Hell how many of them died in car wrecks? It's already been proven people that die from unrelated causes are listed as Covid-19 deaths. I'd be willing to bet maybe a very small fraction of that 100,000 peoples deaths were actually directly related to Covid.LKN wrote:gipper08 wrote:Once we get to 50-75 nba players who had the virus and none of them even are admitted to the hospital then will you guys finally admit this virus' lethality is overblown?
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
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The full chart:
This further confirms what well-informed people already knew: this virus which Communist China forced on the world is exceptionally harsh to the elderly, and little more than a basic flu to the non-elderly.
This also makes it clear what the obvious solution is: protect the high-risk, and let the rest of society go back to normal, at which point we'll hit herd immunity in a matter of months. Waiting on a vaccine that may never come is not a valid solution. The world will crumble before that happens.
Just please, for God's sake, tell me no more governors will be forcing infected patients into nursing homes, like we saw with a quintet of left-wing governors earlier in the outbreak:
Profound23 wrote:JohnPferdelack wrote:But players like KD are already recovered.
Unfortunately, people are catching Covid multiple times.
Here's 1 example, and I've seen multiple videos with the same sort of claims.ShotCreator wrote:Best2EverDoIt wrote:How many of those people had heart disease or lung cancer already? Hell how many of them died in car wrecks? It's already been proven people that die from unrelated causes are listed as Covid-19 deaths. I'd be willing to bet maybe a very small fraction of that 100,000 peoples deaths were actually directly related to Covid.LKN wrote:
Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
Can you point me to somewhere that would make me inclined to agree with you?
mcmokken wrote:KrAzY3 wrote:LKN wrote:Imagine posting garbage like this after well over 100,000 people have died.
Well, there's a lot to suggest that the number of deaths are inflated, and there are even monetary incentives to do so. That aside, yes that's a lot of deaths.
However, there have been years in the US where over 50,000 people died from the flu. The reason no one freaked out was due to the fact that there might have been 30 or 40 million with the flu, meaning a lot of people caught it and a relatively small number of those people died. In many cases, the people who died had other complications, so it wasn't that the flu killed a healthy person, it was that the flu killed a person who was likely to die from any major illness or complication they encountered.
In this case, where people without symptoms are being tested regularly, we're seeing that a lot of them in fact have the virus. Ordinarily they aren't being tested, so clearly we have a segment of the population that has the virus but no ill effects. It is reasonable to conclude that more healthy people have this than the data reflects, and that healthy people are really at a very low risk to die from this. We can show appropriate concern but also have appropriate understanding.
Thank you for sharing your expertise. By the way, did you get your PhD in Epidemiology from Google or Facebook?
