All Giannis does is travel, charge to the hole and can’t play in half court set. How is he in top 5 NBA players talks?

Coach Carter · Post #61 » by **Coach Carter** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:09 am

Giannis finally getting hate, means he's made it!

Also people hating on him for the things he doesn't do? Let's hate on shaq then. Every dude has a different skillset and different genetics. Whether they are more finesse or gifted genetically, these dudes dominate 95% of the competition in the best league in the world.

Yuri36 · Post #62 » by **Yuri36** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:13 am

Mister Ze wrote:Funny how people are knocking on Giannis when his teammates and coaches are failing him. If Bledsoe Lopez and the bench actually played like they did in the regular season the Bucks would probably be up right now

Lol Middleton and Lopez have arguably played better than him in those POs so far, especially in the current serie vs Miami

tanuki1031 · Post #63 » by **tanuki1031** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:18 am

This is as bad as Zion getting ROTY votes for playing 20 mins a game for 19 games.

nedleeds · Post #64 » by **nedleeds** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:31 am

Lunartic wrote:He's top-5 just from sheer impact on both sides but yeah he's the most offensively limited star player in the game.
We saw what happened in the FIBA tournament, he was locked down by some fat unathletic hungover Russians.

He started game 2 (his team down 0-1) with 3 airballs. Name another MVP to ever do that. That's why Shaq is Shaq and Giannis is just Andre Roberson on mega steroids.

Kaykoose · Post #65 » by **Kaykoose** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:33 am

Yikes. I hope Giannis isn't letting the idiots online get to his head, or else we'll have another superteam on ours hands shortly.

theFireBlanket · Post #66 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:45 am

nedleeds wrote:
Lunartic wrote:He's top-5 just from sheer impact on both sides but yeah he's the most offensively limited star player in the game.
We saw what happened in the FIBA tournament, he was locked down by some fat unathletic hungover Russians.

He started game 2 (his team down 0-1) with 3 airballs. Name another MVP to ever do that. That's why Shaq is Shaq and Giannis is just Andre Roberson on mega steroids.

He set the tone for their win tonight, packing the paint & grabbing anything he missed.

NotaHypeJob · Post #67 » by **NotaHypeJob** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:46 am

You goofballs woulda said the same thing about Shaq before 2000, goofy

Lunartic · Post #68 » by **Lunartic** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:49 am

NotaHypeJob wrote:You goofballs woulda said the same thing about Shaq before 2000, goofy

Shaq lost in 95 to Hakeem O.

Giannis is losing in the second round to Bam O.

...c.a.p... · Post #69 » by **...c.a.p...** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:51 am

Raptor_Guy wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:All Shaq did was push people around the basketball and dunk the ball, how is he considered one of the best players of all time?

Not really true, he actually had great footwork and post moves.

I guess you missed where he said "/sarcasm" huh?

HeartBreakKid · Post #70 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:54 am

Lunartic wrote:
NotaHypeJob wrote:You goofballs woulda said the same thing about Shaq before 2000, goofy

Shaq lost in 95 to Hakeem O.

Giannis is losing in the second round to Bam O.

I think there are some other players on the Heat you're probably missing.

Also, Shaq had Penny Hardaway, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott on his team. Thats a crazy talented team for his era, and it's not like his teams didn't get busted after 95. He lost a lot when he wasn't supposed to before 2000.

nedleeds · Post #71 » by **nedleeds** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:00 am

theFireBlanket wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Lunartic wrote:He's top-5 just from sheer impact on both sides but yeah he's the most offensively limited star player in the game.
We saw what happened in the FIBA tournament, he was locked down by some fat unathletic hungover Russians.

He started game 2 (his team down 0-1) with 3 airballs. Name another MVP to ever do that. That's why Shaq is Shaq and Giannis is just Andre Roberson on mega steroids.

He set the tone for their win tonight, packing the paint & grabbing anything he missed.

He is truly Renaldo Balkman with godlike athleticism.

Marvin Martian · Post #72 » by **Marvin Martian** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:11 am

Giannis inability to play in the half court means that he cannot control pace, forcing him to exert energy running one man fast breaks on every trip

Raps in 4 · Post #73 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:12 am

Kaykoose wrote:Yikes. I hope Giannis isn't letting the idiots online get to his head, or else we'll have another superteam on ours hands shortly.

Giannis and AD both go to Dallas. Feeling left out, Lebron joins them on vet minimum.

Joao Saraiva · Post #74 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:31 am

And this is why players take the easy way out.

Giannis is an absolute beast. He's humble and great.

Hope he succeeds and shuts up every hater on this board.

Metallikid · Post #75 » by **Metallikid** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:43 am

Danny1616 wrote:When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

I would argue that Middleton is definitely a better player than Klay.

AntetokounmBros · Post #76 » by **AntetokounmBros** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:51 am

D.Brasco wrote:
TheBoi10 wrote:
Cyrusman122000 wrote:You guys wanna know what laughable?

There were people on this board who were saying Giannis is better or on the same level as 2004 KG

I hope no one ever makes that comparison again

We were well past KG, we were at Prime Shaq + DPOY defense

I was shocked at how many people were saying at the early part of this season that he had already become better than prime f'ing Shaq.

Talk about a huge insult to Shaq.

Are you aware that Shaq himself said Giannis is better than he was? And that was last season, which he improved upon this year.

That doesn't automatically make it true, but you're arguing against Shaq here.

AntetokounmBros · Post #77 » by **AntetokounmBros** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:54 am

picko wrote:We had these threads about LeBron back in the day. They are always dumb. Basically every great player in the history of the game - Bill Russell excluded - has had **** playoff moments. It happens.

Shaq has a tonne of failures (see below). Timmy Duncan crashed out of the playoffs regularly. Ever hear of 'Tragic' Johnson. Jordan failed again and again and again. LeBron melted under the bright lights in 2011 and then became the greatest playoff performer of his generation.

The advanced numbers for Giannis aren't lying - he is super effective - even if his game is designed around charging to the basket. He consistently puts okay talent in a position to compete for a title. Not that dissimilar to a young LeBron. I'm not particularly concerned that he has had some playoff failures. As I said, playoff failures are very normal.

HeartBreakKid wrote:Not saying Giannis is as good as him, but people keep saying Shaq would never get swept and things like that seem to be oblivious that Shaq was actually swept in every single round at least once - including upsets or pick em matches.

So yes, Shaq was pretty stoppable....if you're talking about when Shaq won his first title then that's when he was 27 years old - Giannis is 25.

Yep, Shaq was swept six times in his career including five times in six seasons. The re-writing of his career to suggest that this couldn't happen to him is absurd. In most of those series Shaq's team was at least the equal of his opponent.

Shaq's playoff record at Giannis' age wasn't particularly great. Real GM - had it existed back then - would have had pages of threads about what an overrated loser he was.

People are just reactionary. Most don't have the ability to look at anything except the current moment and the emotions they're currently feeling. You'll even see people flip on players within the same game.

...then there are just haters who get some kind of emotional satisfaction from calling out the best players and waiting for their time to pounce - "told you he sucks!"

Raps in 4 · Post #78 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:57 am

Metallikid wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

I would argue that Middleton is definitely a better player than Klay.

Not better, but not far off either. But Steph also had Draymond.

D.Brasco · Post #79 » by **D.Brasco** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 3:02 am

AntetokounmBros wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
TheBoi10 wrote:
We were well past KG, we were at Prime Shaq + DPOY defense

I was shocked at how many people were saying at the early part of this season that he had already become better than prime f'ing Shaq.

Talk about a huge insult to Shaq.

Are you aware that Shaq himself said Giannis is better than he was? And that was last season, which he improved upon this year.

That doesn't automatically make it true, but you're arguing against Shaq here.

I'll say I really liked Shaq as a player but think he's a terrible commenter and leave it at that.

I take Shaqs NBA opinions the way I'd take MJ's GM choices.

Jazztop · Post #80 » by **Jazztop** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 3:25 am

Rodwilliams wrote:Seriously this guy’s game is laughable. He’s traveling on almost every play and the ref is not calling it. He tries to force his way to the hole even when its defenders there. Taking big steps is not a skill to me. The crazy part is that you only notice this about his game during the playoffs when the game slows down.

Is this your 5th Giannis hate thread now?

Get a hobby!