Hawks in lead to land Bogdan; Lakers in pursuit

Post #61 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:35 pm

I agree Kings can and probably should match. Up to a point. And the Hawks definitely have the ability to exceed that point. I also have no problems with the Hawks giving the Kings something small to keep the number lower and ensure they get him.

But this talk of Reddish is silly. Don't forget there is value for the Kings as well if the Hawks agree to make it a S&T. Kings would get a big TPE.

raleigh · Post #62 » by **raleigh** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:35 pm

I think people are forgetting the flexibility that TPE would offer the Kings.

Sactowndog · Post #63 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:36 pm

In-N-Out 247 wrote:
jk31 wrote:Can someone explain why the bucks are not in the run anymore? I mean it's not for Bogdanovic to decide, where he ends up, right? Only thing important is that his new salary makes the trade valid.

Bogdan absolutely has a say in where he signs. The Kings have a lot of leverage, but they can’t send him somewhere without his approval. As a restricted free agent he basically has 3 options. He can try to work out a s&t, sign with another team (which the Kings could match) or just re-sign with the Kings.

He could take a 1 year deal and pray he doesn’t get injured.

NekiEcko · Post #64 » by **NekiEcko** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:37 pm

So if Atlanta give Bogdan the same type of deal like FVV just got, would Kings try to match it?

Pharmcat · Post #65 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 pm

I can't imagine lakers giving up their 21 cap space for this guy

In-N-Out 247 · Post #66 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:39 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
jk31 wrote:Can someone explain why the bucks are not in the run anymore? I mean it's not for Bogdanovic to decide, where he ends up, right? Only thing important is that his new salary makes the trade valid.

Bogdan absolutely has a say in where he signs. The Kings have a lot of leverage, but they can’t send him somewhere without his approval. As a restricted free agent he basically has 3 options. He can try to work out a s&t, sign with another team (which the Kings could match) or just re-sign with the Kings.

He could take a 1 year deal and pray he doesn’t get injured.

True - but I doubt it gets to that

Sactowndog · Post #67 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:39 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I agree Kings can and probably should match. Up to a point. And the Hawks definitely have the ability to exceed that point. I also have no problems with the Hawks giving the Kings something small to keep the number lower and ensure they get him.

But this talk of Reddish is silly. Don't forget there is value for the Kings as well if the Hawks agree to make it a S&T. Kings would get a big TPE.

Again little value in things like a TPE if players don’t want to come. They also have Bagley coming up as a restricted free agent that they likely don’t want to signal you can just walk for free.

raleigh · Post #68 » by **raleigh** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:44 pm

Sactowndog wrote:Again little value in things like a TPE if players don’t want to come.

You use a TPE to make trades easier.

LEGOATGM · Post #69 » by **LEGOATGM** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:44 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
Optms wrote:lol If he ends on the Lakers, I officially would dare anyone to find me a better GM then Pelinka.

Chill dude... having Lebron and AD fall in your lap does not make you a good GM lol.

Put Dame Lillard on Portland wo AD La still smoking the postseason. Lebron is the reason, no doubt AD plays apart. Lebron obviously needs a second star who don't... But Lebron is the reason. If La teams swapped LBJ/KL Clips is winning it all. And evryone knows it. Lebron can run point all game. Good luck Lakers running ya only playmaker Rondo all game. Lebron with small ball and PG Pbev and the rest Lebron always needs a shooter lol. PG never got a good shot in the clippers. Him and Lebron? Haha they run the league over.

And yes i have had a drink but you get the gist of what im saying.

bpcox05 · Post #70 » by **bpcox05** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:45 pm

lamscott wrote:Legit question for Kings fans. Is he that good? He seemed undersized and his defense was not great. His offense looks good but him and KCP had almost the same percentage last year with KCP winning out. Bogdan is definitely more dynamic. Am I missing anything?

Just to provide some more comparisons...

Impact Stats: Caldwell-Pope / Bogdanovic
RAPM: +0.84 / -0.64
PIPM: -0.70 / -0.35
RPM: -0.40 / +1.10
BPM: -0.30 / +0.40
RAPTOR: -0.05 / +0.29

Percentages: Caldwell-Pope / Bogdanovic
USG%: .147 / .226
TS%: .584 / .565
FG%: .467 / .440
2PT%: .541 / .532
3PT%: .385 / .372
FT%: .775 / .741

Per36 Stats: Caldwell-Pope / Bogdanovic
FGA: 10.4 / 15.6
2PA: 5.5 / 6.6
3PA: 4.9 / 9.0
FTA: 2.1 / 2.4
PTS: 13.2 / 18.8
ORB: 0.8 / 0.5
DRB: 2.1 / 3.7
TRB: 2.9 / 4.2
AST: 2.3 / 4.2
STL: 1.2 / 1.3
BLK: 0.3 / 0.3
TO: 1.3 / 2.1
PF: 2.6 / 2.7
AST-TO: 1.8 / 2.0

Measurements: Caldwell-Pope / Bogdanovic
Height w/ Shoes: 6'5.5" / 6'6"
Wingspan: 6'8" / 6'11"
Standing Reach: 8'4.5" / 8'8"
Weight: 203.6 / 205

To your shooting % point, I will say that Bogdan has shot a higher percentage from 3 on higher attempts when looking at career percentages. Caldwell-Pope shot his highest 3PT% of his career last year playing with LeBron & Davis. I would imagine Bogdan's numbers would go up too.

PhilBlackson · Post #71 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:52 pm

The Hawks have all the potential to be one of the most fun teams to watch in the league as their young talent progresses. Really hope they get him.

Raps have to remain my #1 but the Nuggets, Hawks and Mavs are gonna be my favorite non hometown teams to watch and route for.

Sactowndog · Post #72 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:52 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I agree Kings can and probably should match. Up to a point. And the Hawks definitely have the ability to exceed that point. I also have no problems with the Hawks giving the Kings something small to keep the number lower and ensure they get him.

But this talk of Reddish is silly. Don't forget there is value for the Kings as well if the Hawks agree to make it a S&T. Kings would get a big TPE.

You have to keep in mind this isn’t just about Bogi but the Kings also have Bagley coming up with whom they will likely let test the market. Letting guys walk for a second and TPE walk is a bad message to send.

NoZoLakers · Post #73 » by **NoZoLakers** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:54 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Chill dude... having Lebron and AD fall in your lap does not make you a good GM lol.

adding good supporting players does

Oh wow... adding good "support players" to 2 top 5 players. Must be a real hard job loll.

oh wow i didn't realize 2 players can guard all 5 opposing players, get all the rebs, hit all 3s, or play all 48min :roll:

....getting one over cynial Pop dont make you a good gm either

LivingLegend · Post #74 » by **LivingLegend** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:56 pm

I feel like he is not worth the Lakers giving up both KCP and Kuzma for......

raleigh · Post #75 » by **raleigh** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:57 pm

Sactowndog wrote:You have to keep in mind this isn’t just about Bogi but the Kings also have Bagley coming up with whom they will likely let test the market. Letting guys walk for a second and TPE walk is a bad message to send.

Hmm. I don't think their situations are comparable. Bagley is much younger than Bogi and more central to the Kings' long-term plans.

Look at what GS was able to do with their TPE. They used it and a late first (comparable to the OKC "first") to grab Kelly Oubre.

Pharmcat · Post #76 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:58 pm

LivingLegend wrote:I feel like he is not worth the Lakers giving up both KCP and Kuzma for......

its not just that, are you giving up your chance to play in 21 free agency by giving Bogdan a big multi year deal? Is bogdan worth that?

markjay · Post #77 » by **markjay** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:01 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Does Kuzma have actual value in the league? Why would anyone want him?

The guy is 25 years old on a team friendly contract and has been averaging 19.2 points per 36 minutes over his career. It's hard for him to shine playing behind LeBron and AD, but he could easily be an 18-20 ppg starter on another team, and possibly better. Also improved greatly on defense this last season.

I bet almost every team in the NBA would like to have him.

Tor_Raps · Post #78 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:03 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:adding good supporting players does

Oh wow... adding good "support players" to 2 top 5 players. Must be a real hard job loll.
oh wow i didn't realize 2 players can guard all 5 opposing players, get all the rebs, hit all 3s, or play all 48min ....getting one over cynial Pop dont make you a good gm either

Just accept that Lebron is a great GM and that Pelinka is nothing but a face to do the paper work.

Sactowndog · Post #79 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:10 pm

Serbian journalist just wrote on Twitter that Bogi’s preferred option is to stay with the Kings and take a bigger role if they can trade away Buddy...

NoZoLakers · Post #80 » by **NoZoLakers** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:11 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Oh wow... adding good "support players" to 2 top 5 players. Must be a real hard job loll.
oh wow i didn't realize 2 players can guard all 5 opposing players, get all the rebs, hit all 3s, or play all 48min ....getting one over cynial Pop dont make you a good gm either

Just accept that Lebron is a great GM and that Pelinka is nothing but a face to do the paper work.

lol whatever helps you sleep night, while your goat gm pays that lil guy 20M+