Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs?

[mixerball]

they are not bad. its difficult to get any momentum going when you cant even play with one lineup for 2 games straight. they will figure it out.

[Mickey8]

Well, looking at the current standings, I would say the first six seeds are a lock for the teams denver blazers lakers clippers utah warriors. I believe they are the top six teams that will remain that status the rest of the way in any order.

The last two seeds will be a tough battle out with spurs grizzlies thunder suns mavericks.
It is like a 40% chance any particular team gets seeded there. So if Dallas misses the playoffs , I wouldnt be surprised. However I believe Doncic will pull it off and I see the Suns and Mavs in the last two seeds.

With Mccolum being out and the other injuries they have , there is nothing sure about Portland, as of this moment they look to me like the odd team out, while Dallas can get better when they have all their players back.

[RandlesCornrows]

I can speak for all Knick fans that’ll root heavily for every opposing team

[dirkforpres]

If he was as good of a coach as people want to give him credit for, how come the Mavs have no players that are assets? Shouldn’t a good coach be making the roster better?

Let's look at all the Mavs draft picks that failed under Rick Carlisle and you tell us which ones are thriving in the NBA:

Free Roddy B
Dominique Jones
Shan Foster
Justin Anderson
Satnam Singh
Josh Agognon
Jared Cunningham
Bernard James
Jae Crowder -- played well under Rick Carlisle
Shane Larkin
Rickey Ledo
Gal Mekel
AJ Hammons
DFS(not drafted) good under rick
Yogi(not drafted) basically only good under Rick
Dennis Smith Jr
Shane Larkin

You’re essentially making my point for me. A good coach would have helped more of those guys into at least becoming role players. Look at actual good coaches in the league like Kerr, Pop, Nurse, Spoelstra, Malone - All of those guys can take even 2nd round talent and turn them into all stars or shoot, even at least contributors in the 2nd unit. Rick Carlisle can’t even keep guys fresh off their rookie contract in the league after they leave his “system”

[Harry Garris]

The surrounding talent is bad. KP was a worthwhile gamble but hasn't worked out, they need to reset around Luka. THJ is fool's gold.

A core of Luka, Porzingis along with...

Kleber
Hardaway Jr
Richardson
Finney Smith
Brunson

Is pretty good actually.

But they also have really bad contracts there. Starting with Powell, i never got it. I don't even know if he deserves a place in the NBA. Leve alone what he's earning...

It's really not that great but since you're a Wolves team I'll forgive you for mistaking that as a good team.

[Pg81]

If he was as good of a coach as people want to give him credit for, how come the Mavs have no players that are assets? Shouldn’t a good coach be making the roster better?

Let's look at all the Mavs draft picks that failed under Rick Carlisle and you tell us which ones are thriving in the NBA:

Free Roddy B
Dominique Jones
Shan Foster
Justin Anderson
Satnam Singh
Josh Agognon
Jared Cunningham
Bernard James
Jae Crowder -- played well under Rick Carlisle
Shane Larkin
Rickey Ledo
Gal Mekel
AJ Hammons
DFS(not drafted) good under rick
Yogi(not drafted) basically only good under Rick
Dennis Smith Jr
Shane Larkin

You’re essentially making my point for me. A good coach would have helped more of those guys into at least becoming role players. Look at actual good coaches in the league like Kerr, Pop, Nurse, Spoelstra, Malone - All of those guys can take even 2nd round talent and turn them into all stars or shoot, even at least contributors in the 2nd unit. Rick Carlisle can’t even keep guys fresh off their rookie contract in the league after they leave his “system”

[Apz]

talk about over reacting, 18 games in the season and you talking about missing the playoffs, with the 2nd easiest schedule remaining.
We just got back 2 starters that missed the last 5 games, still missing 1 starter couse of covid...
talk about over reacting....

I said that I knew they were missing players in the OP... and were still garbage even when they were all there.

Except they have not had all players yet? KP got back when the rest went out with covid

[dirkforpres]

Let's look at all the Mavs draft picks that failed under Rick Carlisle and you tell us which ones are thriving in the NBA:

Free Roddy B
Dominique Jones
Shan Foster
Justin Anderson
Satnam Singh
Josh Agognon
Jared Cunningham
Bernard James
Jae Crowder -- played well under Rick Carlisle
Shane Larkin
Rickey Ledo
Gal Mekel
AJ Hammons
DFS(not drafted) good under rick
Yogi(not drafted) basically only good under Rick
Dennis Smith Jr
Shane Larkin

You’re essentially making my point for me. A good coach would have helped more of those guys into at least becoming role players. Look at actual good coaches in the league like Kerr, Pop, Nurse, Spoelstra, Malone - All of those guys can take even 2nd round talent and turn them into all stars or shoot, even at least contributors in the 2nd unit. Rick Carlisle can’t even keep guys fresh off their rookie contract in the league after they leave his “system”

Great contribution there buddy.

[Pg81]

You’re essentially making my point for me. A good coach would have helped more of those guys into at least becoming role players. Look at actual good coaches in the league like Kerr, Pop, Nurse, Spoelstra, Malone - All of those guys can take even 2nd round talent and turn them into all stars or shoot, even at least contributors in the 2nd unit. Rick Carlisle can’t even keep guys fresh off their rookie contract in the league after they leave his “system”

Great contribution there buddy.

Adequate for the "argument" you presented.

[dirkforpres]

Great contribution there buddy.

Adequate for the "argument" you presented.

Yeah and there’s so much evidence to support the other side

[KqWIN]

Half their team isn't there, and 2/3 of their games have been on the road. They will be fine.

I don't think that home court means much this season.

Home court has always been about travel and fatigue, not fans.

[TheBonzaiEffect]

The surrounding talent is bad. KP was a worthwhile gamble but hasn't worked out, they need to reset around Luka. THJ is fool's gold.

A core of Luka, Porzingis along with...

Kleber
Hardaway Jr
Richardson
Finney Smith
Brunson

Is pretty good actually.

But they also have really bad contracts there. Starting with Powell, i never got it. I don't even know if he deserves a place in the NBA. Leve alone what he's earning...

It's really not that great but since you're a Wolves team I'll forgive you for mistaking that as a good team.

Funny thing is, Beasley would easily be the 2nd best scorer for the Mavs.

[cookiies]

Mavs enough talent roster (fivethirtyeight : full-strength rating #9 )

1.missing 4 rotation players (covid19)
2. luka defense stepped up but f lazy..(maybe cardio?) / 0 off-ball movement / bad 3-pt
3. center(powell, wcs)
3. trade seth curry for JRich

[cupcakesnake]

1.5 games out of the 8th seed (6 games back of the 1 seed), 4 of their top 6 guys have missed almost half their games, bad luck on open threes so far has them last in the league. I dont see anything to think about yet. If they end up having to played the whole season with just the TJH-Doncic 2-man game they'll be in trouble but hopefully they'll be healthy going forward.

I like this team. They added some defensive personnel and probably have enough shooting still. We haven't gotten to see the team play yet really, their season is pretty much just starting. 8-10 isn't a terrible hole.

[Texas Chuck]

1.5 games out of the 8th seed (6 games back of the 1 seed), 4 of their top 6 guys have missed almost half their games, bad luck on open threes so far has them last in the league. I dont see anything to think about yet. If they end up having to played the whole season with just the TJH-Doncic 2-man game they'll be in trouble but hopefully they'll be healthy going forward.

I like this team. They added some defensive personnel and probably have enough shooting still. We haven't gotten to see the team play yet really, their season is pretty much just starting. 8-10 isn't a terrible hole.

It's time to see it. Maxi back will help. I think DFS will pull that percentage up a bit. I sure hope KP does. But I expect some regression from Burke and Brunson.

I still think they need another shooter and I still think they thought Terry was going to provide some of that this year. It's possible that the timing of the Richardson/Curry trade was a coincidence, but the fact that it was reported immediately after Dallas drafted Terry at 31 certainly led me to think they thought he could replace some of Curry's shooting so they could feel better about that deal. But he looks nowhere near ready to contribute.

but I appreciate you talking me back off the ledge a bit. I guess I can cut you some slack on Drummond--who I agree could do some things, but ultimately I think he would just make Rick Carlisle crazy and fall deeper and deeper in the rotation.

[dautjazz]

Doncic is a top 7 player but his supporting cast is pretty garbage. That said, very early in the dísmiss them especially with all their injuries.

[User_friendly]

Mavs enough talent roster (fivethirtyeight : full-strength rating #9 )

1.missing 4 rotation players (covid19)
2. luka defense stepped up but f lazy..(maybe cardio?) / 0 off-ball movement / bad 3-pt
3. center(powell, wcs)
3. trade seth curry for JRich

The simplistic argument "ok, we have the most efficent offense in the game, now we have to be good at defense.... and that's it!!" is hurting them. Also, KP returning slowly, COVID effect and the small sample make the rest.

[blueNorange]

i hope the mavs help the knicks out and continue having an underwhelming season.

[Lunartic]

My hair is going to turn completely white if I keep seeing this. Can someone explain exactly what in the past 10 seasons he has done to earn this ‘Top 3’ title? Mavs haven’t made it out of the 1st round once since the title run.

Without great assistant coaches (Stotts, Casey, Silas, etc), Carlisle is nothing

Tell me pal, which of the last 8 seasons should the Mavs have not only made the playoffs but also advanced to the semi-finals?

The issue is a lack of talent on the roster. KP is either injured or rusty or both. THJ is a third option masquerading as a second. Seth Curry was traded.

Carlisle has coached overall bad teams to playoff berth and created one of the greatest offensive systems in NBA history. Every single team in the NBA sans the Celtics/Spurs/Heat/King (b/c they're the kings) would hire him.

That’s so played out. I’m not saying he wasn’t a good coach in the past, he just isn’t now and frankly, hasn’t been for years. He’s been coasting off having a hall of fame star, past accomplishments, and good assistants for a decade now. If he was as good of a coach as people want to give him credit for, how come the Mavs have no players that are assets? Shouldn’t a good coach be making the roster better? Yet somehow Luka is the only one that routinely shows he’s worthy of a starter role.

You must be confused.

Why would you evaluate Carlisle based on a GMs performance? RC is supposed to coach the players he has and design a system to maximize their talent.

The Mavs have sub standard talent outside of Luka/KP and it's showing. RC coached one of the greatest offenses in NBA history last season.

[Scalabrine]

My hair is going to turn completely white if I keep seeing this. Can someone explain exactly what in the past 10 seasons he has done to earn this ‘Top 3’ title? Mavs haven’t made it out of the 1st round once since the title run.

Without great assistant coaches (Stotts, Casey, Silas, etc), Carlisle is nothing

Tell me pal, which of the last 8 seasons should the Mavs have not only made the playoffs but also advanced to the semi-finals?

The issue is a lack of talent on the roster. KP is either injured or rusty or both. THJ is a third option masquerading as a second. Seth Curry was traded.

Carlisle has coached overall bad teams to playoff berth and created one of the greatest offensive systems in NBA history. Every single team in the NBA sans the Celtics/Spurs/Heat/King (b/c they're the kings) would hire him.

That’s so played out. I’m not saying he wasn’t a good coach in the past, he just isn’t now and frankly, hasn’t been for years. He’s been coasting off having a hall of fame star, past accomplishments, and good assistants for a decade now. If he was as good of a coach as people want to give him credit for, how come the Mavs have no players that are assets? Shouldn’t a good coach be making the roster better? Yet somehow Luka is the only one that routinely shows he’s worthy of a starter role.

Finney Smith was undrafted.now he's a solid starter.
Seth Curry had his two best seasons in Dallas.
Dwight Powell was drafted 45 and was looked at as a solid asset before his new deal and immediate achilles deal.
Jalen Brunson was a 2nd rounder and would start on some teams.
Trey Burke has found an NBA role under Carlisle.
Kleber came out of nowhere and has gotten better and better.

Carlisle has done quite a bit with guys that have been passed over by a ton of other teams. I think the bigger problem is getting all of these guys on medium sized deals and it clogs up their books while they still need to build their core.

I think they are in a pretty weird position here but I wouldn't blame Carlisle at all...