Cam Reddish is terrible...

[heatwillbeback]

He shot 36% in college and unsurprisingly in his two NBA seasons he is under 40% in both.

He is a terrific athlete, terrible basketball player. Sometimes those guys improve enough, but often they do not.

either way he was well worth the risk at that point for Atlanta.

I agree. Taking the risk at number 10 is a lot different than taking it at 2 (Michael Kidd Gilchrist as an easy to think of example).

[Lockdown504090]

*bubble

what specific impact do you believe the bubble had to take the heat further than they would have otherwise gone?

IMO, lack of fans, lack of distractions, lack of travel were a huge advantage for young players who might have been more adversely affected by packed houses and NBA travel schedule. Shooting was also much easier in empty arenas. Heat are loaded with young players who all played a shot very well in the bubble.

I am giving an asterisk to every individual performance in the bubble until those players/teams prove they can do the same thing outside the bubble.

tyler herro and duncan robinson are doing the same thing they did in the bubble right now.

[shakes0]

what specific impact do you believe the bubble had to take the heat further than they would have otherwise gone?

IMO, lack of fans, lack of distractions, lack of travel were a huge advantage for young players who might have been more adversely affected by packed houses and NBA travel schedule. Shooting was also much easier in empty arenas. Heat are loaded with young players who all played a shot very well in the bubble.

I am giving an asterisk to every individual performance in the bubble until those players/teams prove they can do the same thing outside the bubble.

tyler herro and duncan robinson are doing the same thing they did in the bubble right now.

this isn't the playoffs + they're still playing in empty arenas. wake me up when they do well in the playoffs under normal circumstances.

[Roger Murdock]

Was it worth the risk? There were a bunch of really solid prospects still on the board that are completely outplaying him.

Reddish sucked in college and guys who don’t show feel for the game, passing, shooting, or a handle rarely just develop one.

Reddish is an idea of a player rather than a player himself. I wouldn’t have taken him in the top-30. Worth the risk is Cavs swinging and missing on KPJ at 30 not taking a known bum at 10 hoping he’d stop being bad cause he’s tall. Being super athletic really isn’t that adventurous on offense if you can slash or score inside.

[clyde21]

Was it worth the risk? There were a bunch of really solid prospects still on the board that are completely outplaying him.

Reddish sucked in college and guys who don’t show feel for the game, passing, shooting, or a handle rarely just develop one.

Reddish is an idea of a player rather than a player himself. I wouldn’t have taken him in the top-30. Worth the risk is Cavs swinging and missing on KPJ at 30 not taking a known bum at 10 hoping he’d stop being bad cause he’s tall. Being super athletic really isn’t that adventurous on offense if you can slash or score inside.

yes, that's the risk part

[TroubleS0me]

He's good in 2k

[Harry Garris]

Cam Rubbish is terrible? He is only 21, 4 years younger than Andrew 'still have all star potential' Wiggins

I mean right now yeah Cam Reddish is terrible. Wiggins is a good role player the problem with him is he's way overpaid for what he does and Minnesota tried to make him into a lead scorer for years when Wiggins is best suited as a solid 4th option on a good team.

Reddish has a long way to go before he's even at Wiggin's level.

[_qubik]

Speaking of teams that aren't going anywhere, how are your Heat doing? Sorry, no artificially inflated bubble play to help them this year.

what would the hawks record be in your opinion if trae young only played in 9 games.

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

Man, dont get me wrong, I have nothing against the Hawks, they are absolutely non factor, as my team is right in this moment, but its hard to think this team ceiling even if everyone healthy is better than 7-8 seed.

Gallo is a great offensive player, but a non factor in the defense, Bogi hmm, he is nothing special, a good role player, thats it. Okongwu is just a rookie, it is out of mind to expect a lot of contributions from him and your main pieces are very flawed as well, Trae is mimicking Harden style of play, though he isnt as good, John Collins is improving a lot, but he isnt a good defender also, all the young guys need to learn a lot. The Hawks rushed the rebuild, in a nice manner, all the young guys are there, they brought nice vets, but thats all, the young guys arent all that good, nor the vets.

[Buzzard]

what would the hawks record be in your opinion if trae young only played in 9 games.

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

Man, dont get me wrong, I have nothing against the Hawks, they are absolutely non factor, as my team is right in this moment, but its hard to think this team ceiling even if everyone healthy is better than 7-8 seed.

Gallo is a great offensive player, but a non factor in the defense, Bogi hmm, he is nothing special, a good role player, thats it. Okongwu is just a rookie, it is out of mind to expect a lot of contributions from him and your main pieces are very flawed as well, Trae is mimicking Harden style of play, though he isnt as good, John Collins is improving a lot, but he isnt a good defender also, all the young guys need to learn a lot. The Hawks rushed the rebuild, in a nice manner, all the young guys are there, they brought nice vets, but thats all, the young guys arent all that good, nor the vets.

Its long season and we are only a quarter of the way in. I do think the Hawks/Heat match ups are going to be good ones. They were last year and that was without Capela, Gallinari, Bogdan, Rondo, Dunn, and Snell.

Reddish did this last season too. Huerter had a shoulder injury last season and along with Collins suspension, Reddish was pushed into a starters role to early. Once Huerter came back and took the starting job, Reddish found his rhythm coming off the bench. He had a pretty good second half of the season.

[mg]

I never understood any of the hype surrounding Reddish coming out of Duke but can't really fault the Hawks for selecting him in the draft. They had already taken the "safe" player in Hunter so why not swing for the fences on Reddish even if it's a small chance he ever plays up to his high school rankings. It's really difficult to find wings at his size so I'll assume he will have some type of role in the league even if it doesn't work out in the ATL.

[Lockdown504090]

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

Man, dont get me wrong, I have nothing against the Hawks, they are absolutely non factor, as my team is right in this moment, but its hard to think this team ceiling even if everyone healthy is better than 7-8 seed.

Gallo is a great offensive player, but a non factor in the defense, Bogi hmm, he is nothing special, a good role player, thats it. Okongwu is just a rookie, it is out of mind to expect a lot of contributions from him and your main pieces are very flawed as well, Trae is mimicking Harden style of play, though he isnt as good, John Collins is improving a lot, but he isnt a good defender also, all the young guys need to learn a lot. The Hawks rushed the rebuild, in a nice manner, all the young guys are there, they brought nice vets, but thats all, the young guys arent all that good, nor the vets.

Its long season and we are only a quarter of the way in. I do think the Hawks/Heat match ups are going to be good ones. They were last year and that was without Capela, Gallinari, Bogdan, Rondo, Dunn, and Snell.

Reddish did this last season too. Huerter had a shoulder injury last season and along with Collins suspension, Reddish was pushed into a starters role to early. Once Huerter came back and took the starting job, Reddish found his rhythm coming off the bench. He had a pretty good second half of the season.

im very interested to see bam switched onto trae.

[KembaWalker]

i remember going into the draft i looked back at his high school/aau stats from various events and they were pretty mediocre. still not sure how this dude got the hype he did, as far as i can tell he's never actually been good at basketball (relatively of course)

[The_Hater]

i remember going into the draft i looked back at his high school/aau stats from various events and they were pretty mediocre. still not sure how this dude got the hype he did, as far as i can tell he's never actually been good at basketball (relatively of course)

The NBA rookies voted on various categories before last season, and choose Reddish as the player who would have the best NBA career from their draft class. And this was after his horrific college season where he was clearly a couple of rungs below teammates Zion and Barrett.

Somewhere along the way, a lot of people fell in love with his game despite middling at best production. He’s not the first in this regard, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a lottery pick coming off a worse college season as Reddish.

[_qubik]

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

Man, dont get me wrong, I have nothing against the Hawks, they are absolutely non factor, as my team is right in this moment, but its hard to think this team ceiling even if everyone healthy is better than 7-8 seed.

Gallo is a great offensive player, but a non factor in the defense, Bogi hmm, he is nothing special, a good role player, thats it. Okongwu is just a rookie, it is out of mind to expect a lot of contributions from him and your main pieces are very flawed as well, Trae is mimicking Harden style of play, though he isnt as good, John Collins is improving a lot, but he isnt a good defender also, all the young guys need to learn a lot. The Hawks rushed the rebuild, in a nice manner, all the young guys are there, they brought nice vets, but thats all, the young guys arent all that good, nor the vets.

Its long season and we are only a quarter of the way in. I do think the Hawks/Heat match ups are going to be good ones. They were last year and that was without Capela, Gallinari, Bogdan, Rondo, Dunn, and Snell.

Reddish did this last season too. Huerter had a shoulder injury last season and along with Collins suspension, Reddish was pushed into a starters role to early. Once Huerter came back and took the starting job, Reddish found his rhythm coming off the bench. He had a pretty good second half of the season.

The only matchup importance is on the playoffs, I dont even know if Miami will recover from this bad start to the season, but yes, it could be a funny first round exit for the Hawks if they played us

[Buzzard]

Man, dont get me wrong, I have nothing against the Hawks, they are absolutely non factor, as my team is right in this moment, but its hard to think this team ceiling even if everyone healthy is better than 7-8 seed.

Gallo is a great offensive player, but a non factor in the defense, Bogi hmm, he is nothing special, a good role player, thats it. Okongwu is just a rookie, it is out of mind to expect a lot of contributions from him and your main pieces are very flawed as well, Trae is mimicking Harden style of play, though he isnt as good, John Collins is improving a lot, but he isnt a good defender also, all the young guys need to learn a lot. The Hawks rushed the rebuild, in a nice manner, all the young guys are there, they brought nice vets, but thats all, the young guys arent all that good, nor the vets.

Its long season and we are only a quarter of the way in. I do think the Hawks/Heat match ups are going to be good ones. They were last year and that was without Capela, Gallinari, Bogdan, Rondo, Dunn, and Snell.

Reddish did this last season too. Huerter had a shoulder injury last season and along with Collins suspension, Reddish was pushed into a starters role to early. Once Huerter came back and took the starting job, Reddish found his rhythm coming off the bench. He had a pretty good second half of the season.

The only matchup importance is on the playoffs, I dont even know if Miami will recover from this bad start to the season, but yes, it could be a funny first round exit for the Hawks if they played us

Maybe Riley's plan is to be in the lottery again, like 2019, since he missed out on Giannis? I doubt it though. Butler and Bam should be enough to make the playoffs provided they do not have many more set backs.

[Biff]

Hunter took the next step but Reddish looks like the exact same player as last year. NGL when you don't improve at all in your 2nd year. I'll be shocked if he even turns out to be a good roleplayer. He reminds me of Josh Jackson in that he he can't shoot and his defense is massively overrated. Reddish is a decent FT shooter though, so I'm surprised he's been so terrible from 3. Dude is shooting 26% on 5 attempts a game. Wild.

you haven't watched him play if you think his defense is massively overrated. He's actually played really good defense. Did a fine job on Lebron the other night, about as well as you can.

Okay, maybe massively overrated is a bit much but people were talking about him like he'd be the next Scottie Pippen coming out of Duke. I haven't seen anything close to that. Porzingis was giving lots of trouble when I watched you guys play the Mavs yesterday. He seems to do better on guys that he's much bigger than, like Beal.

[TheSuzerain]

2nd year guy who was a known project when drafted having some struggles. Not sure what is thread worthy about this honestly.

Well why is he starting? The Hawks are trying to make the playoffs this year.

[Ball4life32]

Was it worth the risk? There were a bunch of really solid prospects still on the board that are completely outplaying him.

Reddish sucked in college and guys who don’t show feel for the game, passing, shooting, or a handle rarely just develop one.

Reddish is an idea of a player rather than a player himself. I wouldn’t have taken him in the top-30. Worth the risk is Cavs swinging and missing on KPJ at 30 not taking a known bum at 10 hoping he’d stop being bad cause he’s tall. Being super athletic really isn’t that adventurous on offense if you can slash or score inside.

Reddish last 21 games to end his rookie season
14.6 ppg in 28.5 mpg on 60 TS%

47.0 FG%
41.7 3pt% (over 5+ attempts)
82.7 FT%

I know it isn’t a huge sample but bums who can’t shoot, dribble, or have any feel for the game aren’t doing what he did to end the season & a lot of hawks fans were extremely high on him as was the gm. Now Reddish has absolutely reverted back to his early rookie season tendencies where he really struggled (8 ppg on 43 TS% in his first 35 games) but a lot of it has to do with his abysmal 3pt%......(he shot a good bit higher in college and last year + he is a good FT%) I don’t think he’s as bad as shooter as we’ve seen but we will see.

[Dacost]

Reddish= potential.
Brandon Clarke=proven.

NBA GMs rather swing for a homerun or strike out(Reddish) even if a guarentee Ground rule Double(Clarke) is right in their faces.

[Buzzard]

2nd year guy who was a known project when drafted having some struggles. Not sure what is thread worthy about this honestly.

Well why is he starting? The Hawks are trying to make the playoffs this year.

Last night Hunter was out. He has been out about a week with a knee injury. Bogdan has been out a month and is probably at least a month away still.

I think Tony Snell or Solomon Hill should start and let Reddish come off the bench. Or go big with Gallinari at the SF spot. But to answer your question. Reddish is starting due to injuries. Just like early last season when Huerter went down with a shoulder injury.