Gobert has to be the most overrated perennial DPOY contender in recent history

[Woodsanity]

No one can guard Jokic, Embiid or Davis 1v1. How is that a knock on Gobert? Crazy....

[Leslie Forman]

Even as someone who kind of agrees…I disagree.

Like MVP, DPOY is a regular season award. Is Gobert really the playoff DPOY? No. But then neither is Giannis the playoff MVP. Being able to lead your defenses to pretty much guaranteed top-5 status year after year is absolutely worthy of winning regular season awards.

[therealbig3]

In a playoff series, I would take Davis and Bam over Gobert. I used to think Giannis, but he's also been neutralized defensively in the playoffs.

But in the context of being a RS award, Gobert is fine, as long as people understand that. He does lead the Jazz defense to strong performances year after year. But when the better teams adjust to him, he can't respond as well as Davis or Bam, because of his limited mobility compared to them. They can fit into any defensive scheme and switch onto any player as a man defender.

[eyeatoma]

Spoiler:

So this is the level of intelligent discussion that I was preventing? Bro memes with dogs? Go home millennial.

Yeah, you can’t have an intelligent discussion with flat earthers, anti vax ppl, guys who deny the significance of statistical analysis in 2021, so you gotta ridicule them

What are you talking about?

[CIN-C-STAR]

If the Pels want to post Zion 20 times a game, and the 76ers post Embiid 25 times a game, other teams will welcome it.
Even if they put up good numbers, if you dont have to send doubles and can stay home on shooters, it's not going to kill you in the modern NBA.
Gobert's value is as a help rim protector for the entire team defense, which is way more valuable than being an elite 1-on-1 post defender.
This post was pretty bad. It's like people who think the best defenders always have the most steals/blocks. That's not really how defense works.

[DaPessimist]

So apparently Gobert and Mitchell are both incredibly overrated?

How is this team #1 in the stacked West?!?

[Slim Charless]

Good offense always beats good defense. If you want to "stop" a top offensive player in the league, you gotta scheme for it as a team. One man won't get it done

Simmons clamped up little Bitchell, took him 34 shots to score 33, didn’t need any scheme, or does midget chucker boy just suck?


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Simmons should be the DPOY. I've watched him lock up Dame, Luka and now he forced MItchell to an almost 30% shooting night. It's hard for perimeter guys to get it though.

[alebaba]

If the Pels want to post Zion 20 times a game, and the 76ers post Embiid 25 times a game, other teams will welcome it.
Even if they put up good numbers, if you dont have to send doubles and can stay home on shooters, it's not going to kill you in the modern NBA.
Gobert's value is as a help rim protector for the entire team defense, which is way more valuable than being an elite 1-on-1 post defender.
This post was pretty bad. It's like people who think the best defenders always have the most steals/blocks. That's not really how defense works.

If you dont send double, they would put up 50 pnts on 60% shooting. cmon dude...

[USWAY]

Gobert is awesome. He's just more of a team defender than a 1-on-1 guy. It's why I want to see Simmons win DPOY though. He can't protect the rim, but his versatility is unparalleled. Even he gets cooked by smaller guards 1-on-1 from time to time though.

So you want a worse defender to get DPOY because you enjoy man to man defense more?

No I want a versatile defender to win DPOY because I think Simmons defense is effective against a far larger number of opposing players in the NBA. I think that means something. Adaptability matters. The options it gives the team with that player are endless. When Rudy was getting destroyed by Embiid last night, what other options did the Jazz have? You literally can't move him onto anyone else.

[Egg Nog]

So apparently Gobert and Mitchell are both incredibly overrated?

How is this team #1 in the stacked West?!?

Haha exactly. I suppose the rest of the Jazz roster must all be the most underrated players in the league.

[NY2k1]

Lol at the people who don't believe Gobert is great defensively. Credibility shot.

[dhsilv2]

Gobert is awesome. He's just more of a team defender than a 1-on-1 guy. It's why I want to see Simmons win DPOY though. He can't protect the rim, but his versatility is unparalleled. Even he gets cooked by smaller guards 1-on-1 from time to time though.

So you want a worse defender to get DPOY because you enjoy man to man defense more?

No I want a versatile defender to win DPOY because I think Simmons defense is effective against a far larger number of opposing players in the NBA. I think that means something. Adaptability matters. The options it gives the team with that player are endless. When Rudy was getting destroyed by Embiid last night, what other options did the Jazz have? You literally can't move him onto anyone else.

The problem is you're not thinking about how the game is played. You don't guard a man. You guard a team. Gobert reduces the other team's scoring more consistently than simmons. Basketball isn't a series of matchups, it's two teams of 5 people competing. You want to stop a 30 point a game scorer? Well, you rarely can do that, but if you want to do it, you double team.

Also did Embiid really destroy Gobert? He averages 30 a game in 33 minutes on 64.6% TS and 3.3 assists. Embiid played 6 more minutes than his average and scored 40 vs 30 and did so on 61.1% TS with 3 assists. He picked up his volume just a bit and was less efficient than normally. That's more or less what he's been doing to the whole league. It wasn't some kinda of really special game.

[70sFan]

Most people didn't even watch last game... Embiid didn't body Gobert inside outside two possessions late in 4th quarter (including one clear offensive foul). He took a lot of tough contested shots and made some of them.

Most viewers (me included) can't conclude who had better defensive game without rewatching it. Gobert was far more active on defense than Embiid. His P&R coverages are far more sound and consistent. Gobert plays excellent drop coverage, Embiid is often lazy with it.

People will remember Embiid's great block on Gobert's dunk attempt, but they won't remember that over the course of the game Gobert was simply better defensively.

[primecougar]

Gobert is very over rated. He struggles with his 1v1 matchups and struggles in the pnr against guards in the playoffs. iirc the year he won dpoy, the rockets were happy to face the jazz because they knew they could get gobert out of the game.
It also doesn't help that he's a very limited offensive player.
If you look at his stats over the past 4 post seasons, his defensive impacts drops significantly. If anyone is interested, I can post his numbers that he's not a guy you can rely on in the playoffs.

[primecougar]

So you want a worse defender to get DPOY because you enjoy man to man defense more?

No I want a versatile defender to win DPOY because I think Simmons defense is effective against a far larger number of opposing players in the NBA. I think that means something. Adaptability matters. The options it gives the team with that player are endless. When Rudy was getting destroyed by Embiid last night, what other options did the Jazz have? You literally can't move him onto anyone else.

The problem is you're not thinking about how the game is played. You don't guard a man. You guard a team. Gobert reduces the other team's scoring more consistently than simmons. Basketball isn't a series of matchups, it's two teams of 5 people competing. You want to stop a 30 point a game scorer? Well, you rarely can do that, but if you want to do it, you double team.

Also did Embiid really destroy Gobert? He averages 30 a game in 33 minutes on 64.6% TS and 3.3 assists. Embiid played 6 more minutes than his average and scored 40 vs 30 and did so on 61.1% TS with 3 assists. He picked up his volume just a bit and was less efficient than normally. That's more or less what he's been doing to the whole league. It wasn't some kinda of really special game.

By your own evaluation, wouldn't that make gobert an average defender?

[Kobblehead]

Gobert is a really bad defender. Cannot defend in space, get roasted in pick and rolls. He can't even guard the post against elite post guys like Embiid.

Anthony Davis should have gotten both of the DpotY's that Rudy was given. Hell, even give Oladipo the one.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Gobert is a really bad defender. Cannot defend in space, get roasted in pick and rolls. He can't even guard the post against elite post guys like Embiid.

Anthony Davis should have gotten both of the DpotY's that Rudy was given. Hell, even give Oladipo the one.

[Tykross]

Gobert is very over rated. He struggles with his 1v1 matchups and struggles in the pnr against guards in the playoffs. iirc the year he won dpoy, the rockets were happy to face the jazz because they knew they could get gobert out of the game.
It also doesn't help that he's a very limited offensive player.
If you look at his stats over the past 4 post seasons, his defensive impacts drops significantly. If anyone is interested, I can post his numbers that he's not a guy you can rely on in the playoffs.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Embiid totally destroyed Gobert 1 on 1 /green font

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Just quoting this because a bunch of subsequent posters itt apparently didn't see it

[KembaWalker]

he's a defensive force in a one off low stakes regular season matchup especially against teams that try to go smaller

i still think he can get schemed out in a playoff series