Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry?

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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#61 » by bebopdeluxe » Mon May 3, 2021 3:52 pm

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Caped Crusader wrote:Nah. If he walks it's better than taking on the trash that was offered and handicapping us into negative assets.

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They could have gotten at least Maxey and a 1st round pick from the Sixers, with no salary extending beyond this season. Are you arguing that NOTHING is better than that?


I've heard some reports that say that was offered, and then some reports that say it wasnt. I will say, if it was only Maxey or the 1st, im glad the raps didnt gift Lowry to them. Ditto on a Heats package centered around Robinson


My understanding was it was Maxey AND a 1st round pick (and probably at least one more pick). If you are concerned about the salary impact after this season, that was more attractive than a deal with Robinson - who I think is a RFA after this season and would require more work to extract value if you did not want match an offer sheet.

Raps can still perhaps get value out of a S&T, but Maxey and two picks was almost assuredly on the table, and the Raps said they had to have Thybulle or no deal, if the reporting around this is correct.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#62 » by Lockdown504090 » Mon May 3, 2021 3:54 pm

Dennis is out for two weeks with covid.... so probably, yeah
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#63 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 3, 2021 3:55 pm

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From the reporting, it doesn't even seem like any team made an offer as good as JV/Wright. Which offer was out there to jump-start a "rebuild"?

The Celtics? Who let Kyrie, Horford & Hayward walk?

Val was months from unrestricted free agency I wouldn't say he had much more value than what is being reported for Lowry. I'm not saying you had some crazy good offer out there in fact my point is the Raptors needed to get something out of Lowry rather than losing him for nothing if they don't work a decent S+T this summer.

Yes the Celtics have also recently left guys walk for nothing and they've gone from a title contender to a 7 seed with very little of value on their roster beyond what they got from the Pierce/KG trade.


Bird-rights have significant value.

You realize the Raptors can re-sign Lowry right?


Yeah just agree to disagree I guess.

Re-signing him would be an interesting move.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#64 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon May 3, 2021 3:59 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:Val was months from unrestricted free agency I wouldn't say he had much more value than what is being reported for Lowry. I'm not saying you had some crazy good offer out there in fact my point is the Raptors needed to get something out of Lowry rather than losing him for nothing if they don't work a decent S+T this summer.

Yes the Celtics have also recently left guys walk for nothing and they've gone from a title contender to a 7 seed with very little of value on their roster beyond what they got from the Pierce/KG trade.


Bird-rights have significant value.

You realize the Raptors can re-sign Lowry right?


Yeah just agree to disagree I guess.

Re-signing him would be an interesting move.


Bird-rights don't have value? That's not even something that can be disagreed with....
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#65 » by bebopdeluxe » Mon May 3, 2021 4:04 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
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Bird-rights have significant value.

You realize the Raptors can re-sign Lowry right?


Yeah just agree to disagree I guess.

Re-signing him would be an interesting move.


Bird-rights don't have value? That's not even something that can be disagreed with....


This seems like a non-sequitor. If your point is that the Raps can re-sign him as part of a S&T, then fine. Certainly the Sixers were looking to get his Bird rights in the trade. But I think the point is - no disrespect to Lowry's legacy in Toronto - that to re-sign him to keep him is a bit of a curious decision, given the current construction of the roster and Lowry's age.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#66 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:06 pm

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Yeah just agree to disagree I guess.

Re-signing him would be an interesting move.


Bird-rights don't have value? That's not even something that can be disagreed with....


This seems like a non-sequitor. If your point is that the Raps can re-sign him as part of a S&T, then fine. Certainly the Sixers were looking to get his Bird rights in the trade. But I think the point is - no disrespect to Lowry's legacy in Toronto - that to re-sign him to keep him is a bit of a curious decision, given the current construction of the roster and Lowry's age.


I was talking about JV....
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#67 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 3, 2021 4:08 pm

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Bird-rights have significant value.

You realize the Raptors can re-sign Lowry right?


Yeah just agree to disagree I guess.

Re-signing him would be an interesting move.


Bird-rights don't have value? That's not even something that can be disagreed with....

So obviously that isn't what I meant? You know what I meant, the raptors offer for Gasol including any bird rights isn't better than what they were being offered for Lowry.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#68 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:14 pm

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Yeah just agree to disagree I guess.

Re-signing him would be an interesting move.


Bird-rights don't have value? That's not even something that can be disagreed with....

So obviously that isn't what I meant? You know what I meant, the raptors offer for Gasol including any bird rights isn't better than what they were being offered for Lowry.


What were they offered for Lowry that was better?
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#69 » by Sixerscan » Mon May 3, 2021 4:16 pm

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Bird-rights don't have value? That's not even something that can be disagreed with....

So obviously that isn't what I meant? You know what I meant, the raptors offer for Gasol including any bird rights isn't better than what they were being offered for Lowry.


What were they offered for Lowry that was better?

I didn't say the Lowry offers were better, expecting "better" is the whole issue here. We both know what was reported they were offered. Like I said if you disagree with me, fine. Hopefully you can get a trade exception from the Heat or Knicks for him this summer.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#70 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:20 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:So obviously that isn't what I meant? You know what I meant, the raptors offer for Gasol including any bird rights isn't better than what they were being offered for Lowry.


What were they offered for Lowry that was better?

I didn't say better, expecting "better" is the whole issue here. We both know what was reported they were offered. Like I said if you disagree with me, fine. Hopefully you can get a trade exception from the Heat or Knicks for him this summer.


If there was firm reporting on an actual offer, I missed it.

Also, Lowry now > Gasol in 2019.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#71 » by JayMKE » Mon May 3, 2021 4:21 pm

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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#72 » by Danny1616 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:21 pm

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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#73 » by Danny1616 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:23 pm

matt6715 wrote:Raptors are the losers on his failed deal. Lowry blowing up their tank and then walking at the end of the year for nothing in return. Even expirings and a future pick or two would be better asset management than letting him win you an extra 5 games this season and then bounce.


Not sure he's blowing up their tank.

Raptors have literally won like 30% of their games since the deadline.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#74 » by djsunyc » Mon May 3, 2021 4:27 pm

Eagle4 wrote:Will the heat regret not trading their 20 yr old prospect that showed signs of promise for a 35 year old vet that wouldn't put them over the top? I doubt it.

Some of you Raps fans are insufferable. Lowry "the greatest raptor ever, legend" blah blah but instead of wanting him to retire in a Raps jersey you get butthurt and some how feel so entitled to other teams trading their assets for guy who has <3 years left in the league(which aren't guaranteed to be as productive due to age and wear/tear). Truly delusional.


lowry is a really good player and probably has 2 years at this level. there's a chance you guys spend $25+ mil on him this summer and you will magically forget he is 35 years old.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#75 » by bebopdeluxe » Mon May 3, 2021 4:46 pm

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matt6715 wrote:Raptors are the losers on his failed deal. Lowry blowing up their tank and then walking at the end of the year for nothing in return. Even expirings and a future pick or two would be better asset management than letting him win you an extra 5 games this season and then bounce.


Not sure he's blowing up their tank.

Raptors have literally won like 30% of their games since the deadline.


Seriously. I guess I missed their move into the playoff picture in the East.

Maxey and two picks (including a 1st round pick) was a decent offer. Raptors said Thybulle or nothing. They got nothing.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#76 » by Duffman100 » Mon May 3, 2021 4:50 pm

bebopdeluxe wrote:
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matt6715 wrote:Raptors are the losers on his failed deal. Lowry blowing up their tank and then walking at the end of the year for nothing in return. Even expirings and a future pick or two would be better asset management than letting him win you an extra 5 games this season and then bounce.


Not sure he's blowing up their tank.

Raptors have literally won like 30% of their games since the deadline.


Seriously. I guess I missed their move into the playoff picture in the East.

Maxey and two picks (including a 1st round pick) was a decent offer. Raptors said Thybulle or nothing. They got nothing.


We have no idea what was offered. I have a hard time believe Maxey and 2 1sts were offered considering the other reported offers from LAL and Miami.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#77 » by mademan » Mon May 3, 2021 4:52 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:So obviously that isn't what I meant? You know what I meant, the raptors offer for Gasol including any bird rights isn't better than what they were being offered for Lowry.


What were they offered for Lowry that was better?

I didn't say the Lowry offers were better, expecting "better" is the whole issue here. We both know what was reported they were offered. Like I said if you disagree with me, fine. Hopefully you can get a trade exception from the Heat or Knicks for him this summer.


Or the Raps can re-sign him? Thats still an option.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#78 » by kuclas » Mon May 3, 2021 4:59 pm

Raptors clearly misunderstood Lowry being 35 plus pending free agent plus waiting to get paid.

Too many factors in play to trade young assets for Lowry.

From sixers view point. Maxey OR THYBULLE would have been good enough. Cheap rookie contracts for 2 or 3 more seasons to develop the player (maxey) or ride thybulle elite defensive skills already.

There was no guarantee Lowry would resign with the team. It’s a lot to risk. If Lowry had 1.5 years left. I’m sure sixers give up both maxey and thybulle. Not only did raptors ask for BOTH PLAYERS. They also asked for 2 first round picks. That’s insane. That’s like what the nets offered for harden who had 1.5 years left. (Those draft picks won’t convey anytime soon.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#79 » by ropjhk » Mon May 3, 2021 5:02 pm

Lakers are looking like the top candidate to regret not trading for Lowry. They should be all in to win a championship this season.
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Re: Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry? 

Post#80 » by slicedbread2 » Mon May 3, 2021 5:39 pm

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They got a freaking title out of it. But I guess they should have traded Kawhi/Green during 2019 to ensure they wouldn't walk for nothing?


You misunderstood my last sentence. Obviously they had no control over Kawhi and so on, which makes getting something for Lowry even more important. Once he walks there are no tradeable assets on your roster that aren't already part of your core going forward, which is what teams generally use to jump start rebuilds. The Grizzlies for example are in a better spot right now because they chose to get something for Gasol and Conley, obviously the Celtics are an extreme example with Pierce and Garnett, we could go on...


But the question is what was the offer for Lowry? Any of the offers that were rumoured were all garbage players that did nothing and would have done nothing for the squad.

KCP and Schroeder?
Olynyk and Dennis Robinson (FA)?
Green and Mike Scott?

I agree that Thybulle, Maxey and 2 1sts was too large of an ask.

But there is also an organizational reputation that has to be considered here. You show that you're willing to buckle and deal Lowry for nothing, then that marks you as a team that will eventually cave. Raptors aren't just going to give away a top 30ish player for nothing...


In the end we won't ever know what was truly on the table, but the most realistic destination could've been Miami. It's too bad they let that James Johnson $7.5M TPE expire. Miami supposedly wanted both Lowry and Oladipo. It would've been a major pain in the butt as Houston ultimately derailed the Raps plans but IMO the Raptors could've gone a 5 team route with Miami, Houston, NOLA and Detroit:

Miami: Kyle Lowry, Victor Oladipo(post buyout)
Detroit: Victor Oladipo(bought out)
Houston: Rodney McGruder, Wayne Ellington, James Johson
NOLA: Cory Joseph, Duncan Robinson, Kelly Olynyk, Danuel House Jr., Ben McLemore(bought out)
Toronto: Eric Bledsoe, Precious Achiuwa, 2 1sts from NOLA(via LAL and a pro. 1st). Maybe some 2nds?

-Miami gets 2 players they have coveted and get to see whether or not they'd fit there.
-Detroit adds a little salary to this year's cap sheet, but they save $2.4M from next year's cap with Joseph being gone.
-Houston saves $2.6M while shedding House Jr.'s contract saving money for a broke owner
-New Orleans gets out of Bledsoe's salary while being able to fill out their roster with some much needed scoring for the 2nd unit and save $12M from Bledsoe's deal which they could use to resign Lonzo Ball. This also allows them to provide spacing on the floor for Zion.
-Raptors eat a bad deal in Bledsoe although his last year is only partially guaranteed for $3.9M. They also get draft capital for the future and get a young prospect in Achiuwa to grow with the team.

If Achuiwa was in this deal, I'd go for it. Dunno how other teams would feel about it although Miami would be near the hard cap. If they hadn't traded for Bjelica perhaps the Raptors could've absorbed him from Sacramento and bought him out and he goes to MIA with Vic ensuring the Heat stay under the tax or are slightly over it as they were taxpayers last year. In this case, they'd still be able to fill out their roster as they see fit. The other teams in this scenario stay under the tax.

The Raptors if Houston wants more could offer a deal where they could've sent out McCaw to Houston to eat Augustin's salary as his deal expires at the same time as Bled but is only guaranteed for 333,333k. I dunno just throwing some thoughts and deals out there.

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