Mattise Thybulle has the highest DBPM in the league

[DCasey91]

If he played next to a Curry offensive superstar type on the outside (so essentially giving him 30+ minutes a night) he would of romped home the DPOY regardless of how the voting bore out.

Outside of Green and fit and firing Davis he’s the best defender in the comp right now. No narrative or overblown reputation he’s just that great.

For all the talk of Embiid/Simmon’s defense which both are bordering on overrated, Thybulle is the best out of the 5 (Green, Howard) we have. It’s a reason we are 2nd we have stud defenders. He’s at the top though 100%.

Ben’s out of form atm, but I seen both stop 3x plays in a row in tandem some duo lockdown thing. I’m like damn its like a reverse torture chamber here lol

[KqWIN]

0.32 DRPM...so I'd go with the box score just isn't that great, but he's a good defender.

RPM is garbo ever since engelmann left. Yeah don't use it dude.

Yeah ever since J.E. left they've been altering it like crazy. I lost count how many drastic changes were made for something that should be simple. I actually don't like the new BPM 2.0 either (although the positional role concept is interesting), but at least it does what it intends to do. RPM has been lost in the abyss with seemingly no rhyme or reason why some things are the way they are.

[lars_rosenberg]

How do Sixers fans feel about this guy? His path to becoming the perfect Embiid/Simmons complement is so clear... but he's regressed this year shooting the 3.

Crazy to think the Sixers could have the MVP, DPOY, three all-defensive guys and not make it out of the East.

Just because the Nets have 3 MVPs.

[ayyayyron]

I've literally never seen a 4.2 DBPM for as long as I've looked at basketball stats. And I think he actually has enough games and minutes to actually say that it's can be somewhat reliable. First DPOY coming off the bench?

You've never seen a 4.2DBPM because it's the 7th highest in NBA history. Not the most reliable stat, to be fair, but Matisse's defense is unreal

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He's an absolute menace on defense, especially against guys who can't overpower him, just a wet blanket that can shutdown your 1 or 2 and wreak havoc in team defense.

[Tomjas]

As a Sixers fan, I am very happy that he’s ours but let’s pump the brakes for a minute

He’s playing beside a monster on the perimeter with another one guarding the rim behind him

Simmons & Embiid have been largely responsible for making RoCo (another favourite of mine btw) a very wealthy guy

[dhsilv2]

You used DRPM to say that “well he’s only average in this stat so I guess he’s a good defender”. You never stated he was “great” , we got receipts here

I was making the point that reality lies between the two metrics. Good, great...same damn thing.

Good and great are definitely not the same thing let alone the "same damn thing" lol

I look forward to criticizing you next time you choose the less optimal word to make a point on a message board where you're typing quickly.

[9th Wonder]

I enjoyed this article from Mike O'Connor about how Thybulle can contribute more offensively right now:

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/042821

As another poster mentioned earlier, the team has him more active with cuts and straight line drives in the last few games.

[HotelVitale]

I'm curious how he'll look guarding crafty players like the players on the Nets who'll try and use his hands against him

He doesn't swipe at the ball from triple threat, though, or try to slap at crossovers etc when guys are dribbling. He gets almost all of his steals from getting his hands on passes and from poke steals (he's ridiculous at those). What he is vulnerable to is being manipulated into fouling by players with good body control; his defensive strategy for scorers or dangerous players is to crowd them and take away some of their room to operate, and then catch up to them quickly if they blow past him (which is where many of his blocks come from), which means that players who stop and start quickly can often get him to crash into them. If the Sixers play the Nets this PO, I'd bet heavily that Harden gets Thybulle in foul trouble in like 5 or 6 minutes in at least one of the games.

Although harden is the ultimate test since he draws alot of fouls thybulle doesn't fall as many trucks as he did his rookie season. So I doubt he fouls out. Most players don't attack him 1 on 1 they almost always use a screen because his hands are usually too good to take 1 on 1

I watch just about every game he plays and Thybulle still fouls a lot, and they're often on the perimeter at the start of plays and not the good fouls that are saving a layup or clear path to the cup. It's his big weakness on defense and you still see it just about every game. Like i said before the fouls aren't the result of simple 'tricks' like swinging the ball through as the defense is swiping (AKA the Lou Will-Embiid special) but rather a result of his aggressive chase style on the perimeter.

Thybulle's not as good at locking people down 1-on-1 as you might think, is not an old-school Kawhi-type guy at swallowing up scorers. He sticks close to scorers, chases them around picks extremely hard and works to deny DHOs or entry passes, and then stays tight in their space so they can't get into their usual comfort zones to start going to work. He gets beat a lot because of that, though, and it's very normal to see a scorer blast right past him when he's overplaying or turn the corner off a pick and have a lot of daylight (Matisse rarely goes under on any pick). It's at those moments that he's most susceptible to fouling--he chases guys so hard to erase that daylight and get back into their dribbles (his patented poke steals) or to slap their shots away when they thought they were in the clear. Because he's charging so hard he often just runs into players or else ends up in their landing space or slapping them on the elbow or side when he's poking at the ball from behind. It's not that bad but I do think a smart and skilled offensive player could start using it to their advantage, especially if they were playing them game after game like in the PO and really got to scout that.

[bebopdeluxe]

The 76ers could not afford to lose both Green/Thybulle in a trade for Lowry. A Green/Scott/Maxey/2021 FRP for Lowry/Thomas would have been a fair deal. Embiid/Simmons/Lowry/Harris/Thybulle and Curry as a 6th man would have improved the 76ers chances of winning a championship this season.

My sense is the deal you suggest was the deal that was offered - basically Maxey and a FRP. The Raptors wanted Thybulle.

That is why Lowry is sitting on a bench in LA tonight.

The rumor is it came down to draft picks. The Raptors may have wanted an addition FRP and that was the deal breaker, or the 76ers would not offer a FRP. It hurts the 76ers more though because Lowry could have really made a difference on the 76ers. Maxey and the 28th pick is not something I am losing sleep over as a Raptors fan.

So nothing is better than Maxey and a FRP? Cool.

Good luck with that.

[bebopdeluxe]

The rumor is it came down to draft picks. The Raptors may have wanted an addition FRP and that was the deal breaker, or the 76ers would not offer a FRP. It hurts the 76ers more though because Lowry could have really made a difference on the 76ers. Maxey and the 28th pick is not something I am losing sleep over as a Raptors fan.

The fact that Morey, who loves doing deals, wouldn’t pull the trigger tells me that the ask was very high

I agree. Ujiri said he values Lowry very highly and maybe more then other teams and Morey said the asking price was in la la land without actually naming Lowry. I am paraphrasing of coarse.

So, what is the "value" of Lowry after the Raptors last game of the season? Is it higher than Maxey and a FRP?

Perhaps the Raptors can find a sign and trade partner where 1) they will get MORE than Maxey and a FRP and 2) commit a bunch of salary to somebody that a team is willing to trade for a guy who will turn 36 next season.

We shall see.

[dkb9696]

The fact that Morey, who loves doing deals, wouldn’t pull the trigger tells me that the ask was very high

I agree. Ujiri said he values Lowry very highly and maybe more then other teams and Morey said the asking price was in la la land without actually naming Lowry. I am paraphrasing of coarse.

So, what is the "value" of Lowry after the Raptors last game of the season? Is it higher than Maxey and a FRP?

Perhaps the Raptors can find a sign and trade partner where 1) they will get MORE than Maxey and a FRP and 2) commit a bunch of salary to somebody that a team is willing to trade for a guy who will turn 36 next season.

We shall see.

I would imagine the value is lower at the end of the season then it was at the deadline. I do not anticipate a sign and trade happening either. Lowry wants 2 years 50 million and as much as I love Lowry it is time to move on as he does not fit the timeline of the team whatsoever. My prediction he leaves Toronto and they do not receive anything in return.

[bebopdeluxe]

I agree. Ujiri said he values Lowry very highly and maybe more then other teams and Morey said the asking price was in la la land without actually naming Lowry. I am paraphrasing of coarse.

So, what is the "value" of Lowry after the Raptors last game of the season? Is it higher than Maxey and a FRP?

Perhaps the Raptors can find a sign and trade partner where 1) they will get MORE than Maxey and a FRP and 2) commit a bunch of salary to somebody that a team is willing to trade for a guy who will turn 36 next season.

We shall see.

I would imagine the value is lower at the end of the season then it was at the deadline. I do not anticipate a sign and trade happening either. Lowry wants 2 years 50 million and as much as I love Lowry it is time to move on as he does not fit the timeline of the team whatsoever. My prediction he leaves Toronto and they do not receive anything in return.

I think you are right, and I think it is a shame that a deal couldn't be done. Maxey is a really interesting player with a lot of upside. He just needs playing time - which is hard to give to him when you are fighting for the 1 seed in the conference and a deep playoff run. I didn't want to trade him, but I thought that Lowry was a great fit for the team. As it turns out, we did the deal for Hill - who is nowhere near the player that Lowry is, but he upgrades our 2nd unit, and he can help the team close games. He is signed for next year for $10m, and we get to keep all of our key young guys.

As a Nova fan (and current grad student there), I was really hoping that the Cardinal Dougherty kid could come home and try to get us a parade, but Toronto was asking for the moon. It really is a shame.

[rzzzzz]

Yeah, well, nothing going down until after the playoffs now. Lowery could probably retire here if that’s what he wants. Maxey hopefully gets SL and then we definitely want him and Thybulle working out with Hanlen, etc.

[dkb9696]

So, what is the "value" of Lowry after the Raptors last game of the season? Is it higher than Maxey and a FRP?

Perhaps the Raptors can find a sign and trade partner where 1) they will get MORE than Maxey and a FRP and 2) commit a bunch of salary to somebody that a team is willing to trade for a guy who will turn 36 next season.

We shall see.

I would imagine the value is lower at the end of the season then it was at the deadline. I do not anticipate a sign and trade happening either. Lowry wants 2 years 50 million and as much as I love Lowry it is time to move on as he does not fit the timeline of the team whatsoever. My prediction he leaves Toronto and they do not receive anything in return.

I think you are right, and I think it is a shame that a deal couldn't be done. Maxey is a really interesting player with a lot of upside. He just needs playing time - which is hard to give to him when you are fighting for the 1 seed in the conference and a deep playoff run. I didn't want to trade him, but I thought that Lowry was a great fit for the team. As it turns out, we did the deal for Hill - who is nowhere near the player that Lowry is, but he upgrades our 2nd unit, and he can help the team close games. He is signed for next year for $10m, and we get to keep all of our key young guys.

As a Nova fan (and current grad student there), I was really hoping that the Cardinal Dougherty kid could come home and try to get us a parade, but Toronto was asking for the moon. It really is a shame.

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

[dickfox]

How do Sixers fans feel about this guy? His path to becoming the perfect Embiid/Simmons complement is so clear... but he's regressed this year shooting the 3.

Crazy to think the Sixers could have the MVP, DPOY, three all-defensive guys and not make it out of the East.

Jokic has MVP in the bag.

[blargh]

The real treat for fans is the couple of times when Doc lets Thybulle and Simmons play at the top of a zone. It literally feels like the Sixers have a sixth player out on the floor.

[eyeatoma]

I've literally never seen a 4.2 DBPM for as long as I've looked at basketball stats. And I think he actually has enough games and minutes to actually say that it's can be somewhat reliable. First DPOY coming off the bench?

I really wanted the Raptors to get him in a trade for Kyle Lowry. Modern day Tony Allen.

He was available in the trade. Except Toronto got greedy and wanted more. Dude has 2 more years left in a cheap contract. So I don’t know what Toronto was thinking trying to ask for more. It’s not like he’s an expiring.

Thybulle was not available. Maxey was lol.

[bebopdeluxe]

I really wanted the Raptors to get him in a trade for Kyle Lowry. Modern day Tony Allen.

He was available in the trade. Except Toronto got greedy and wanted more. Dude has 2 more years left in a cheap contract. So I don’t know what Toronto was thinking trying to ask for more. It’s not like he’s an expiring.

Thybulle was not available. Maxey was lol.

Agreed. There was NO WAY that Thybulle was available.

[dkb9696]

I really wanted the Raptors to get him in a trade for Kyle Lowry. Modern day Tony Allen.

He was available in the trade. Except Toronto got greedy and wanted more. Dude has 2 more years left in a cheap contract. So I don’t know what Toronto was thinking trying to ask for more. It’s not like he’s an expiring.

Thybulle was not available. Maxey was lol.

I agree with this sentiment, as the 76ers could not afford to lose both Green and Thybulle. My complete guess would be that Ujiri did not view Maxey very highly and thus wanted more draft capital in return then the 76ers were willing to give.