Is Devin Booker a Bona Fide Superstar Now?

dygaction · Post #61 » by **dygaction** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 6:54 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
Currygoat wrote:No. he is missing something for me

I think he is an incredible third option on a title team who can contend for a scoring title any year but he has to at least become an average defender and regain his three point shooting form which is what made him great in the first place upon entering the league

Ouch, you are a Suns fan... He is the FIRST option on your likely title team who is averaging 27ppg, and no other player on the team has over 20ppg.

JAYZGOAT · Post #62 » by **JAYZGOAT** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 6:55 pm

No. Suns would have been on playoffs if he was a superstar. Amazing turn around this season for the suns but that's the CP3 effect

tyguy · Post #63 » by **tyguy** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 6:55 pm

Chris Paul, Deandre Ayton, and Mikal Bridges all have higher impact advanced stats than Booker. I think you could replace booker with several shooting guards and not miss a beat.

grumpysaddle · Post #64 » by **grumpysaddle** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:00 pm

Read on Twitter

Only thing stopping Booker from superstardom is the media and league recognizing it. He wins Finals MVP and they might start. Most players in the league call Booker disrespected. It's just the hot take dummies on the GB that can never give credit where it's actually due.

dygaction · Post #65 » by **dygaction** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:00 pm

tyguy wrote:Chris Paul, Deandre Ayton, and Mikal Bridges all have higher impact advanced stats than Booker. I think you could replace booker with several shooting guards and not miss a beat.

How about naming 3 shooting guards..

CP3 is nice but he is 36 yr old taking >$40M. You can have plenty of replacement with that money.
Mikal is nice but he is just a role player.
Ayton is really nice, and I will take him over Booker.

dygaction · Post #66 » by **dygaction** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:02 pm

JAYZGOAT wrote:No. Suns would have been on playoffs if he was a superstar. Amazing turn around this season for the suns but that's the CP3 effect

No, CP3 would have been on Finals if he was that good. Amazing turn around this season for CP3 but that's the Jae effect.

tyguy · Post #67 » by **tyguy** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:05 pm

dygaction wrote:
tyguy wrote:Chris Paul, Deandre Ayton, and Mikal Bridges all have higher impact advanced stats than Booker. I think you could replace booker with several shooting guards and not miss a beat.

How about naming 3 shooting guards..

CP3 is nice but he is 36 yr old taking >$40M. You can have plenty of replacement with that money.
Mikal is nice but he is just a role player.
Ayton is really nice, and I will take him over Booker.

LaVine, Beal, McCollum, Mitchell, George, Brown, VanVleet, Harden for certain. Possibly others as well.

JDLAW · Post #68 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:07 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
JDLAW wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
I am just not a Booker homer. He isn't a superstar or transcendent talent. He is in that tier above a star player and is somewhere between a Top 15 and Top 20 player and made the most of his limited skill set and overachieved adding new dimensions to his game. Let's not forgot how abysmal he was for the most of this regular season and we got the second seed in the West despite him regressing beyond the arc and from the line

Abysmal? Keep digging the hole!

Booker took a huge step back this regular season and was a net negative or barely neutral by almost all advanced metrics

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bookede01.html#all_advanced-playoffs_advanced

Limited Skill Set? Huge Step Back? You really have no credibility.

Sal85012 · Post #69 » by **Sal85012** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:08 pm

Woodsanity wrote:This is going to be controversial when it shouldn't be but he has been the 3rd most valuable player on the Suns in these playoffs behind Ayton and CP3.

He is a clear star but still has a ways to go from being a superstar, people need to relax.

The same CP3 that was hurt all 1st round and missed 2 pivotal wins in the WCF and sucked the third game when he returned, that CP3? CP3 is good but maybe just maybe you didnt actually watch the Suns games.

dygaction · Post #70 » by **dygaction** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:10 pm

tyguy wrote:
dygaction wrote:
tyguy wrote:Chris Paul, Deandre Ayton, and Mikal Bridges all have higher impact advanced stats than Booker. I think you could replace booker with several shooting guards and not miss a beat.

How about naming 3 shooting guards..

CP3 is nice but he is 36 yr old taking >$40M. You can have plenty of replacement with that money.
Mikal is nice but he is just a role player.
Ayton is really nice, and I will take him over Booker.

LaVine, Beal, McCollum, Mitchell, George, Brown, VanVleet, Harden for certain. Possibly others as well.

CJ and VanVleet to go with CP3 for the backcourt, you must be kidding.
I don't have a horse in this race, so will leave others to the Suns fans

Phystic · Post #71 » by **Phystic** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:10 pm

Woodsanity wrote:This is going to be controversial when it shouldn't be but he has been the 3rd most valuable player on the Suns in these playoffs behind Ayton and CP3.

He is a clear star but still has a ways to go from being a superstar, people need to relax.

Depends on perspective, Booker being there takes a lot of defensive attention off of Paul and Ayton. I don't think any of the 3 are more or less responsible for the postseason success so far

With that said, I don't consider him a superstar. I consider superstars to be a title more closely attributed to players that are just as known outside of the game.

NY2k1 · Post #72 » by **NY2k1** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:13 pm

Dbook is still being disrespected in this thread/board, lol.

tyguy · Post #73 » by **tyguy** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:14 pm

dygaction wrote:
tyguy wrote:
dygaction wrote:
How about naming 3 shooting guards..

CP3 is nice but he is 36 yr old taking >$40M. You can have plenty of replacement with that money.
Mikal is nice but he is just a role player.
Ayton is really nice, and I will take him over Booker.

LaVine, Beal, McCollum, Mitchell, George, Brown, VanVleet, Harden for certain. Possibly others as well.

CJ and VanVleet to go with CP3 for the backcourt, you must be kidding.
I don't have a horse in this race, so will leave others to the Suns fans

Booker certainly isn't defending leagues above smaller guards despite his size advantage.

BodieB · Post #74 » by **BodieB** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:33 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:

Read on Twitter

Only thing stopping Booker from superstardom is the media and league recognizing it. He wins Finals MVP and they might start. Most players in the league call Booker disrespected. It's just the hot take dummies on the GB that can never give credit where it's actually due.

Lol what kind of misleading mess is this? Players like Durant, Tatum, Harden, Mitchell, etc would probably do the same if they weren't making the playoffs until they're 5th year.

GregOden · Post #75 » by **GregOden** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:34 pm

Currygoat wrote:No. he is missing something for me

Longer arms?

Mujahydeen · Post #76 » by **Mujahydeen** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:35 pm

He's very good, but what, a top 20 player? Do we have 20 bona fide superstars in the league?

Post #77 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:35 pm

He is in Phx.

It's hard to say...he is the biggest one in Phx since Nash, and bigger than any others since KJ.

He is still inconsistent and a replacement all star.

We don't get close to the finals without Paul.

Mitchell was better in the playoffs, or more consistent every game and the best player for Utah with Gobert struggling to play as well as Conley. Is he a superstar?

I think Booker needs to be the best player on a team with a deep playoff run and get voted to an All NBA team and to the All Star game as a non replacement before he reaches Superstar status.

But he can have monster games obviously, like the 40 pt triple double, though bona fide superstars like Harden and Doncic get close to or do that fairly often as well.

Winsome Gerbil · Post #78 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:36 pm

Sigh.

This is at least the 2nd time this very playoffs where he has ascended to superstardom on this board without ever actually being a Top 10 player. Quite the accomplishment.

Then in between such periods he'll have a couple bad shooting nights and get overshadowed by Top 20 teammate DeAndre Ayton and people will forget all about Book's superstardom, only to rediscover it again when the Suns win another game.

We're also going to need an inevitable "is Booker in the HOF RIGHT NOW?" thread if he wins one of those oh so legendary FMVPs.

Waylay13 · Post #79 » by **Waylay13** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:37 pm

tyguy wrote:
dygaction wrote:
tyguy wrote:Chris Paul, Deandre Ayton, and Mikal Bridges all have higher impact advanced stats than Booker. I think you could replace booker with several shooting guards and not miss a beat.

How about naming 3 shooting guards..

CP3 is nice but he is 36 yr old taking >$40M. You can have plenty of replacement with that money.
Mikal is nice but he is just a role player.
Ayton is really nice, and I will take him over Booker.

LaVine, Beal, McCollum, Mitchell, George, Brown, VanVleet, Harden for certain. Possibly others as well.

I would only rate Harden clearly over him, with Beal and George as maybe on a given night. Mitchell and Booker are very close together and the rest are all under him.

Woodsanity · Post #80 » by **Woodsanity** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:45 pm

Sal85012 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:This is going to be controversial when it shouldn't be but he has been the 3rd most valuable player on the Suns in these playoffs behind Ayton and CP3.

He is a clear star but still has a ways to go from being a superstar, people need to relax.

The same CP3 that was hurt all 1st round and missed 2 pivotal wins in the WCF and sucked the third game when he returned, that CP3? CP3 is good but maybe just maybe you didnt actually watch the Suns games.

Yes I actually watched every game, maybe you didn't or are biased. Truth hurts but numbers don't lie. Keep on relying on arbitrary eye test because my eye test. If two people see something and have different opinions what can you do? Oh there is such a thing as stats which make things pretty dam clear....

CP3 Playoff PER: 22, BPM: 6.2
Booker Playoff PER: 16.4 BPM .4

No Booker did not play well this playoffs sorry to tell you. I give him a pass due to breaking his nose but I am not going to bull and act like he played better than CP3 and Ayton cause he didn't. Third most valuable get over it. :lol: